Thinkers Jan 21 2014: Will transhumanism kick off in the far east?

Extropia DaSilva: Welcome to Thinkers..
[2014/01/21 15:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Which..
[2014/01/21 15:30]  Extropia DaSilva: As Gwyn remembered..
[2014/01/21 15:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Is to do with China..
[2014/01/21 15:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Only, I expanded it a bit to the Far East.
[2014/01/21 15:31]  Extropia DaSilva: So..
[2014/01/21 15:31]  Extropia DaSilva: The topic today is…..
[2014/01/21 15:31]  Extropia DaSilva: Is the Far East poised to become the transhuman centre of the world?
[2014/01/21 15:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[2014/01/21 15:31]  Zobeid Zuma: Why would one suspect this, I wonder?
[2014/01/21 15:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I could say, some bits of the far east are already transhguman but not in the way you think, Extie 😉
[2014/01/21 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Because China is far less squeamish about cloning, for one thing.
[2014/01/21 15:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahh I see
[2014/01/21 15:32]  Zobeid Zuma: Are they really?
[2014/01/21 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: And South Korea and Japan are far more comfortable with robots and AI.
[2014/01/21 15:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: They do already have a population issue; why wouldn’t they be squeamish? 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:33]  Second Life: Divalii is online.
[2014/01/21 15:33]  Ari (arisia.vita): welcome Roxie
[2014/01/21 15:33]  Zobeid Zuma: Yeah, I just heard that they’re going to ease up on the one-child law that they’ve had for such a long time…
[2014/01/21 15:33]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
[2014/01/21 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: Hiya Roxie:)
[2014/01/21 15:33]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: They are indeed.
[2014/01/21 15:33]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi Roxie!
[2014/01/21 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: A BBC news report informed me that china is really pushing ahead in cloning.
[2014/01/21 15:34]  Roxie Marten: howdy all
[2014/01/21 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, robotics is certainly not an “issue” in Japan.
[2014/01/21 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Also..
[2014/01/21 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: In what way??
[2014/01/21 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Those robotic pets are… eerie
[2014/01/21 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What exactly are they going to clone, Extie?
[2014/01/21 15:34]  ArtCrash Exonar: A lot of Chinese prosperity has been derived from the one child thing….
[2014/01/21 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Hugo de Garis believed he had the best shot at building his artilect if he moved to China.
[2014/01/21 15:35]  ArtCrash Exonar: what is an artilect?
[2014/01/21 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: A super AI.
[2014/01/21 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Artificial Intellect.
[2014/01/21 15:35]  Zobeid Zuma: I hear a lot of assertions… Where’s the beef? :/
[2014/01/21 15:35]  ArtCrash Exonar: Named after me I see….
[2014/01/21 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Beef? Only in Chop Suey
[2014/01/21 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: hah.
[2014/01/21 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Art
[2014/01/21 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Even without ‘beef’ the sheer number of people and the fast pace at which China is developing makes it a contender.
[2014/01/21 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the advantage of China in unscrupulous technological experiments is that it’s not a democracy, so if you’re pushing the boundaries on tech without concerns with human rights, China is the place to be 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:37]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think the beef is in Argentina and Australia …just for the record.
[2014/01/21 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Granted, after their economical collapse, things might change… 😉
[2014/01/21 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: Yeah, if it keeps developing exactly the way it has been. Sort of like in the 1980s everybody wanted to learn Japanese because Japan was soon going to own the world. I think we all know how that worked out.
[2014/01/21 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: They were beaten by Germany? 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: would it make a difference if it did kick off in China?
[2014/01/21 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: But China is a house of cards. Or a powder keg. Or maybe a house of carts built on a powder keg!
[2014/01/21 15:37]  ArtCrash Exonar: A lot of China’s success comes from completely ignoring patent law.
[2014/01/21 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh… I agree, Zo
[2014/01/21 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: Yeah, I keep saying we need to get rid of patents here too. :p
[2014/01/21 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: much to Seren’s disgust, I would imagine.
[2014/01/21 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And that’s true, Art 🙂 Intellectual Property, pfft. Stealing ideas is the best thing there is.
[2014/01/21 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: hey Violet:0
[2014/01/21 15:38]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Hi Exti, all 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: this is our topic..
[2014/01/21 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: Is the Far East poised to become the transhuman centre of the world?
[2014/01/21 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry, I’m sarcastic today, after reading a long rant from an activist against IP rights
[2014/01/21 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: But anyhow… Usually a pretty sure way to mis-predict the future is to take whatever’s happening now and extrapolate it.
[2014/01/21 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Zo, good point 😉
[2014/01/21 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: well it is either that or a total stab in the dark.
[2014/01/21 15:39]  Second Life: luisa (luisa.bourgoin) is offline.
[2014/01/21 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I do think that Japan/Korea will continue to lead in robotics, though
[2014/01/21 15:40]  ArtCrash Exonar: And Taiwan
[2014/01/21 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s just from a purely economic perspective
[2014/01/21 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And Taiwan, sure
[2014/01/21 15:40]  Zobeid Zuma: No, it doesn’t have to be a stab in the dark. You just have to take into account the emergent factors.
[2014/01/21 15:40]  Zobeid Zuma: The Far East is a hodgepodge. It’s like trying to lump “the Americas” together, with the USA and Guatemala in the same category.
[2014/01/21 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It comes to my mind that cheap bionic implants from China would be a threat to public health worldwide… we can’t even be sure about their plastics today…
[2014/01/21 15:41]  ArtCrash Exonar: Yes, Zo is right.
[2014/01/21 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You’re quite right indeed, Zo
[2014/01/21 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: Some people have had their iPads explode cuz they bought cheapo rechargers. Probably from China.
[2014/01/21 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: I mean you’ve got Vietnam… Which has become known as source of the world’s worst paper *and* the world’s worst coffee.
[2014/01/21 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I got cheap electric water bottles from China that blow up fuses at home every time they’re turned OFF.
[2014/01/21 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: They could combine the two if they made paper cups to serve the coffee in.
[2014/01/21 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Haha Zo, now that’s interesting!
[2014/01/21 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL Extie!
[2014/01/21 15:43]  ArtCrash Exonar: They could sell it all to Starbucks
[2014/01/21 15:43]  ArtCrash Exonar: Nobody would notice
[2014/01/21 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, I have a much more intriguing question… why doesn’t China innovate?
[2014/01/21 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: I don’t think China is going to implode, but I’ll be surprised if it doesn’t go through some big upheavals.
[2014/01/21 15:43]  ArtCrash Exonar: Because copying is easier
[2014/01/21 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, Japan, Taiwan, Korea…. all of them styarted to sell cheap spin-offs
[2014/01/21 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: I did hear china,,or maybe Japan,,as an aging problem. They might address that through agressively pursuing SENS.
[2014/01/21 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: Why doesn’t China innovate? They *try* to, but the results so far have been… hmm… lackluster….
[2014/01/21 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then they became engineers
[2014/01/21 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Why doesn’t China do the same?
[2014/01/21 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And then they became innovators
[2014/01/21 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: Japan and Korea haven’t really been huge innovators, have they?
[2014/01/21 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed Zo. But their industrial output and population is bigger than the rest of the Far East put together. Sheer numbers should provide at least with some technological breakthrough here and there
[2014/01/21 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: I mean, outside of robot dogs, etc….
[2014/01/21 15:44]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think that innovation requires elevation of the individual over the group as the ideal.
[2014/01/21 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: well what country IS a big innovator?
[2014/01/21 15:45]  ArtCrash Exonar: The US, Germany, UK, France,
[2014/01/21 15:45]  Zobeid Zuma: The Japanese invent some really goofy stuff. They’re capable of thinking outside the box… but somehow the goofy stuff is either *too* goofy or it never is commercialized. Or both.
[2014/01/21 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Heh. You should go to a Japanese electronic store and look at their gadgets, Zo. 99% of them do never hit the West. Their point is that they’re too revolutionary for us conservative Westerners
[2014/01/21 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, but they SELL the goofy things
[2014/01/21 15:45]  Zobeid Zuma: Ha!
[2014/01/21 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In millions
[2014/01/21 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just not outside Japan 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:46]  Zobeid Zuma: I remember when everyone was griping about how the Japanese had all the groovy smart phones that we couldn’t get in the USA. Then Apple came in and took over.
[2014/01/21 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: Before that it was Nokia.
[2014/01/21 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: indeed, the only difference between China and Japan/Korea/Taiwan etc. is that — society and politics
[2014/01/21 15:46]  ArtCrash Exonar: LIke animae laptops and backbacks, right?
[2014/01/21 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: They still have those groovy smartphones, but they run in Japanese 😉
[2014/01/21 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No market for them in the West.
[2014/01/21 15:47]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m actually quite a fan of South Korea. IMHO they’ve rivaled Japan in most respects, and many have been slow to recognize that.
[2014/01/21 15:47]  ArtCrash Exonar: I love my Korean Smartphone (Samsung)
[2014/01/21 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (good example, Art=
[2014/01/21 15:47]  Zobeid Zuma: The problem with South Korea is… North Korea.
[2014/01/21 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: So what transhuman breakthrough would you move to China in order to be an early adopter of?
[2014/01/21 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Apple = 99% Samsung components with 1% Reality Distortion Field 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anything that requires chopping people’s members off, Extie
[2014/01/21 15:48]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2014/01/21 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: China is fine with that.
[2014/01/21 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: Why did you cross your legs, Ari?
[2014/01/21 15:48]  Zobeid Zuma: I find it hard to imagine anything that would lure me into moving to China.
[2014/01/21 15:48]  ArtCrash Exonar: transhuman corrupt businessmen would work well there.
[2014/01/21 15:48]  Ari (arisia.vita): 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh indeed.
[2014/01/21 15:49]  Ari (arisia.vita): why did you look dear? 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The trouble is that it’s hard (I hesitate with the word ‘impossible’) for a Westerner to set up a shop in China 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:49]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m not too keen on moving out of Texas, even. But you know, we do have a cloning program at Texas A&M. 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: Where else would I look? Us girls are hardly going to worry about losing our members.
[2014/01/21 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh
[2014/01/21 15:49]  ArtCrash Exonar: Transhumans would be the best ever at nepotism, right? haha
[2014/01/21 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes
[2014/01/21 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: what is nepotism?
[2014/01/21 15:50]  ArtCrash Exonar: Giving breaks to your relatives
[2014/01/21 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: WIkipedia: “Nepotism is favoritism granted in politics or business to relatives.”
[2014/01/21 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: Like when I kick Ari off this sofa when Jamie comes?
[2014/01/21 15:51]  ArtCrash Exonar: There’s room in between, no?
[2014/01/21 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway… I think that if what you’re looking for, Extie, is cheap bionics
[2014/01/21 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: Transhumanism could allow for some ultra-nepotism in which your entire company is staffed by uploaded copies of you.
[2014/01/21 15:52]  Ari (arisia.vita): you don’t need to kick, for you will find I have already moved
[2014/01/21 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: then China would certainly be a good place to produce them
[2014/01/21 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh. Transnepotism.
[2014/01/21 15:52]  Zobeid Zuma: I just don’t see any particular cultural or social leaning toward transhumanism in China or Japan… There are individual things you can point to that are intriguing, but the same can be said fo America and Europe, etc.
[2014/01/21 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: Uhuh. These sharp heels have trained you better than that bell trained Pavlov’s dog.
[2014/01/21 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In Japan, bionic enhancements could be a catchy trend 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:52]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think the Chinese are used to working as groups more than Westerners, so that might be a somewhat transhuman trait… right?
[2014/01/21 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: *pats your hand* there there I do not mean it:))
[2014/01/21 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: I wouldn’t assume that, Art.
[2014/01/21 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: nor I.
[2014/01/21 15:53]  ArtCrash Exonar: Never heard of Communism?
[2014/01/21 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I wouldn’t assume either, Art…— neither the Chinese are used to work as groups, nor are transhumanists 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: China certainly has forgotten it.
[2014/01/21 15:54]  ArtCrash Exonar: Ever seen a Chinese factory lately?
[2014/01/21 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: I saw a documentary and this Japanese businessman passed a robot and he nodded to it, as you would a companion. I wondered if people in the West would treat it thus?
[2014/01/21 15:54]  Zobeid Zuma: Many of our innovations have come from obsessive eccentric loners. Committees rarely come out with brilliance.
[2014/01/21 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Never, Extie 🙂 We’re simple not so polite 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: A committe’s group IQ is like the one of a mob: take the lowest IQ of the group and divide it by the total amount of members.
[2014/01/21 15:55]  ArtCrash Exonar: If it was a sex bot, they would pat it on the bum as they passed, I’m sure.
[2014/01/21 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: He did not even seem all that struck with the fact a ROBOT!! was wandering the halls he was like …oh, it is you. Hi.
[2014/01/21 15:55]  ArtCrash Exonar: I talk to my cats, that is sort of the same thing, no?
[2014/01/21 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: No.
[2014/01/21 15:56]  ArtCrash Exonar: oh
[2014/01/21 15:56]  Second Life: Sylfie Del Vanima (sylfie.minogue) is online.
[2014/01/21 15:56]  Zobeid Zuma: So yeah… Chinese (and Japanese) *do* tend to work together better in cohesive groups, but I see that as something just as likely to hold them back as to move them forward.
[2014/01/21 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: Your cat is not a machine.
[2014/01/21 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Far East has a slight bias towards what constitutes a sentient being. Hmm. That would explain why some would find it easier to give citizens’ rights to an AI or a robot.
[2014/01/21 15:56]  Zobeid Zuma: Something else that could hold them back, Gwyn. 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Could be 🙂
[2014/01/21 15:57]  ArtCrash Exonar: What does sentient mean? Self conscious?
[2014/01/21 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: yeah I think so.
[2014/01/21 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, but I’ve learned that there is a difference between what it’s meant around here and what most of the Far East thinks about it.
[2014/01/21 15:58]  Zobeid Zuma: They’re both pretty nearly nonsense terms, IMHO.
[2014/01/21 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: But I think most people think it means ‘really smart at a wide range of things’.
[2014/01/21 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In the West, yes
[2014/01/21 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In the East it would mean for many: “having a mind”
[2014/01/21 15:58]  Zobeid Zuma: Careless ways of saying “intelligent” ever since the word “intelligent” fell out of fashion.
[2014/01/21 15:58]  ArtCrash Exonar: Are ants sentient? I think they are very robotic.
[2014/01/21 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: well the truth is we simply do not know.
[2014/01/21 15:59]  ArtCrash Exonar: Not knowing never stopped up before! haha
[2014/01/21 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: It could be an ant looks at you and wonders ‘is that thing sentient?’.
[2014/01/21 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think it’s a fair assumption to claim that most Westerners would see ants as not being sentient.
[2014/01/21 15:59]  ArtCrash Exonar: What about Praying Mantises?
[2014/01/21 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Depends to whom they pray 🙂
[2014/01/21 16:00]  ArtCrash Exonar: Some people keep them as pets
[2014/01/21 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh dear. Thinkers has wondered into the philosophical minefield that is…..dum dum dummmm….consciousness!
[2014/01/21 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Some eat them, Art
[2014/01/21 16:00]  ArtCrash Exonar: Not much body there, just a lot of crunch….
[2014/01/21 16:00]  Zobeid Zuma: I think at least some of the Japanese attraction to robots grows out of the vending machine effect. (And vending machines are hugely popular there, last I heard.) You can perform a simple mechanical interaction without any kind of social judgment or ritual.
[2014/01/21 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Heh. Well, my original point is that a clever chatbot would at least raise some doubts in the minds of Japanese people, if you’d ask them: “would you give a chatbot citizen’s rights?”
[2014/01/21 16:01]  Zobeid Zuma: Vending machine doesn’t expect you to make small talk, doesn’t care if your hair is messed up.
[2014/01/21 16:01]  Second Life: Ivy Sunkiller is offline.
[2014/01/21 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm. That’s a curious point of view, Zo
[2014/01/21 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: Somebody should invent a vending machine that vends a vending machine. and THAT vends a vending machine…and the final one vends a coin to put in the first to start allll over again.
[2014/01/21 16:01]  Zobeid Zuma: Make a robot too human-like, and that advantage goes away!
[2014/01/21 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But probably correct. I don’t know any Japanese, so I can’t ask them 🙂
[2014/01/21 16:02]  ArtCrash Exonar: So they like machines because they are anti cultural?
[2014/01/21 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s a very curious point of view!
[2014/01/21 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: There was a youtube documentary ‘will work for free’ which says vending machines are going to proliferate in the west soon as well.
[2014/01/21 16:02]  Second Life: Annie (annielove.welles) is online.
[2014/01/21 16:02]  Zobeid Zuma: We also have this trend of young people becoming recluses and just hiding in their homes and interacting only through the internet.
[2014/01/21 16:02]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Not anti-cultural so much as a-social, I think is the idea
[2014/01/21 16:02]  ArtCrash Exonar: I thought my teddy bear was sentient when I was a child…
[2014/01/21 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Don’t they already?
[2014/01/21 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: Like a 24/7 store that is a vending machine.
[2014/01/21 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: Was it Teddy Ruxpin? Cuz that was just a tape recorder in its back.
[2014/01/21 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: My teddy bear thought that I was sentient when was a child… he was wrong.
[2014/01/21 16:03]  Zobeid Zuma: heheh!
[2014/01/21 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: so that trend doesn’t exist in the Far East?
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No Japanese hackers hiding in caves?
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: Ehhh? I was talking about Japan. That’s where it happens.
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Instead they go out and get drunk together? 🙂
[2014/01/21 16:04]  ArtCrash Exonar: So robots are fine….. until they get too close to not being robots?
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): It very much does…it’s called hikikomori in Japan
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I thought as much, Violet 🙂
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): “Social withdrawal syndrome,” or thereabouts
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: the uncanny valley effect strikes again!
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: I think the term Otaku is pretty much an ultra-recluse who lives on the Internet, no?
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori
[2014/01/21 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps the issue here is how widespread the phenomenum is.
[2014/01/21 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *on
[2014/01/21 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh is that that virtual star?
[2014/01/21 16:05]  ArtCrash Exonar: phenomenuminoninaminon
[2014/01/21 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: I am never playing Art at Scrabble.
[2014/01/21 16:05]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2014/01/21 16:06]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m sure every society has a few hermits, but it seems to have become a phenomenon in Japan.
[2014/01/21 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Art 🙂
[2014/01/21 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: BTW I am going to finish early today. 4:15.
[2014/01/21 16:06]  ArtCrash Exonar: WHAT?????
[2014/01/21 16:06]  Zobeid Zuma: And I typed that without looking at the preceding few lines. Really!
[2014/01/21 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm. WIkipedia says there are 700.000 cases. Can we have statistics for other countries?
[2014/01/21 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Zo
[2014/01/21 16:08]  Zobeid Zuma: This is only intuition, speculation… But I can’t help thinking Japanese culture places a lot of pressure on people. It’s very conformist, and of course the population density is very high.
[2014/01/21 16:08]  ArtCrash Exonar: Agoraphobia is easily dealt with by internet activity. That and UPS and Chinese take out.
[2014/01/21 16:08]  Second Life: Annie (annielove.welles) is offline.
[2014/01/21 16:08]  Zobeid Zuma: Whether that will push them towards a robotic-transhumanist future, I have no idea.
[2014/01/21 16:08]  ArtCrash Exonar: Yes, I have read that about Japanese education, Zo.
[2014/01/21 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agoraphobia in the US. 3.2 million people.
[2014/01/21 16:08]  ArtCrash Exonar: Non conformity is discouraged
[2014/01/21 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wellllllll yes but the youth rebel
[2014/01/21 16:09]  ArtCrash Exonar: Or at least is WAS in the past. I think things have changed radically in Japan in the last decade.
[2014/01/21 16:09]  Zobeid Zuma: BTW… I got curious about MSG and bought a bottle. Never tasted the pure stuff before. Put a little on my tongue… “Wow! It tastes like instant ramen!”
[2014/01/21 16:10]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha Zo
[2014/01/21 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: My roomie’s mother was always astonished to see how pretty much every youth on teh streets in Tokyo dresses after their favourite anime character; so for them cosplay is a lifestyle, not really just something you do occasionally
[2014/01/21 16:10]  Zobeid Zuma: Wow, that’s interesting.
[2014/01/21 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What’s “MSG”?
[2014/01/21 16:10]  Zobeid Zuma: Monosodium glutamate.
[2014/01/21 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: AH lol
[2014/01/21 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Stay away from it :)=
[2014/01/21 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: It is not just that a lot of Japanese videogame fighting girls wear school uniforms and she mistook ordinary schoolgirls for cosplay fanatics?
[2014/01/21 16:11]  Second Life: Lilly (taylor.schroeder) is online.
[2014/01/21 16:11]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Most of it is economic, I think–not enough opportunities, not enough options…but the possible links between hkikomori and autism/pervasive developmental disorders is worth looking at, too…
[2014/01/21 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: The best dressed and most fashionable women I see on the streets are in half of the cases, Japanese. I wonder what accounts for that?
[2014/01/21 16:11]  Zobeid Zuma: It’s not as bad as it sounds. It’s just a seaweed extract that was discovered in the 1950s when everything scientific and chemical-sounding was good.
[2014/01/21 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that she can still distinguish between an uniform and a cosplay character :9 She took some pictures….
[2014/01/21 16:11]  Zobeid Zuma: No, earlier than that… but same principle. 🙂
[2014/01/21 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: Wish my hair was like an oriental woman’s. You know, all black with that lovely gloss?
[2014/01/21 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[2014/01/21 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, you can buy it lol
[2014/01/21 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: No you cannot.
[2014/01/21 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: I have looked.
[2014/01/21 16:12]  Second Life: Divalii is offline.
[2014/01/21 16:12]  Zobeid Zuma: /me bought her SL hair from a Japanese shop. :/
[2014/01/21 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: China’s might not be selling bionics, but you can get cheap human hair 🙂
[2014/01/21 16:12]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Zero Style?
[2014/01/21 16:12]  ArtCrash Exonar: I’m also a lover of black hair as you might have noticed. However I like mine messy! haha
[2014/01/21 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: 🙂
[2014/01/21 16:13]  Zobeid Zuma: The Japanese seem to be lovers of pink hair… and blue… and green… and purple…
[2014/01/21 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Most definitely 🙂
[2014/01/21 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, at least a certain age range
[2014/01/21 16:13]  ArtCrash Exonar: I have seen aqua and purple hair on women that looks very beautiful and artistic.
[2014/01/21 16:13]  Second Life: Divalii is online.
[2014/01/21 16:13]  Zobeid Zuma: I mainly like black hair in SL because it better conceals the flaws of prim construction.
[2014/01/21 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The fun thing about Japan (and again I’m using my roomie’s mother as a source) is that they’re absolutely crazy about anything Western, lol
[2014/01/21 16:14]  ArtCrash Exonar: heh, that might be a good reason, Zo!
[2014/01/21 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: Depends on the costume. Jamie put on a costume the other day, and I told her she should color her hair blue or purple.
[2014/01/21 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: From a few chats here in SL, I believe that the Chinese also have the same fixation
[2014/01/21 16:14]  ArtCrash Exonar: btw, Zo your hair is awesome today
[2014/01/21 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: Zo looks great!
[2014/01/21 16:14]  Zobeid Zuma: Ohh, thank you! 😀
[2014/01/21 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: one minute left!
[2014/01/21 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: Will china become transhuman centre of the world?
[2014/01/21 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don’t think so,
[2014/01/21 16:15]  ArtCrash Exonar: The myth of SL is everyone goes blonde, but in this group today Most of us are black! heh
[2014/01/21 16:15]  Zobeid Zuma: Possible, but I wouldn’t be too inclined to bet that way.
[2014/01/21 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: but I think that bionics might become fashionable in Japan and SK well before they are introduced in the West
[2014/01/21 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: Violet is not:) Or Gwyn.
[2014/01/21 16:16]  ArtCrash Exonar: note th4e work most
[2014/01/21 16:16]  ArtCrash Exonar: the
[2014/01/21 16:16]  ArtCrash Exonar: 5/7
[2014/01/21 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: OK my time is up.
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