Extropia DaSilva: Welcome to Thinkers..
[2013/05/21 15:30]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): *looks around at the different digs*
[2013/05/21 15:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Today the topic is about those technologies that are (always) 50 years away..
[2013/05/21 15:30]  Roxie Marten: thanks I seem to have a habit of finding out about the meetings 2 days later lOL
[2013/05/21 15:30]  ArtCrash Exonar: Blame Scarp for the Decor, I’m not responsible.
[2013/05/21 15:30]  Extropia DaSilva: From robot cars to quantum computers to nuclear fusion, the tech news seemingly reports no end of amazing things on the horizon. But how is one to know what is really on the horizon and what is vaporware?
[2013/05/21 15:31]  Cryptic Hak: Well how long have quantum computers been in the tech news ?
[2013/05/21 15:31]  ArtCrash Exonar: Assume it is all vaporware
[2013/05/21 15:31]  Zobeid Zuma: Not long.
[2013/05/21 15:31]  Roxie Marten: there is a term I havn’t heard in years
[2013/05/21 15:31]  Extropia DaSilva: But is that any better than assuming it is all viable within 50 years?
[2013/05/21 15:32]  ArtCrash Exonar: Welcome Tikor and luisa!
[2013/05/21 15:32]  Sorcs Nolan: Some tech does arrive, becomes outmoded, and turns into vaporware
[2013/05/21 15:32]  Tikor: great to be here
[2013/05/21 15:32]  ArtCrash Exonar: I will believe in flying cars when I’m flying in one.
[2013/05/21 15:32]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): I don’t remember robot cars being talked about in the 60s or quantum computers
[2013/05/21 15:32]  Second Life: Gwyneth Llewelyn is online.
[2013/05/21 15:32]  Roxie Marten: 50 years there is no way to guess. I Think it was someone from ibm who predicted in the future computers would weigh more than 2 or 3 tons
[2013/05/21 15:32]  Zobeid Zuma: Flying cars are basically an air traffic control problem.
[2013/05/21 15:32]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): helloes Art, helloes everybody
[2013/05/21 15:33]  Zobeid Zuma: Actually, I think the computer/internet revolution, and Moore’s Law, has distorted our perception of how fast technological progress should happen.
[2013/05/21 15:33]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): oh there is a problem getting them up flying, too. Seen that Moller Skycar?
[2013/05/21 15:33]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Actually, have you ever read the story “The Machine Stops?”
[2013/05/21 15:33]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think Robot cars will be great until the first 50 Robot care pileup.
[2013/05/21 15:33]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): some computers do weight more than 2 or 3 tons depending on how you count it.
[2013/05/21 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: Should?
[2013/05/21 15:33]  Sorcs Nolan: Air cars, when many can’t seem to drive well in two dimensions, does seem impractical
[2013/05/21 15:33]  Cryptic Hak: I think a lot of it is things that are theoretically possible but which we don’t have the tech for yet…..that goes for robot cars, quantum computers, and for nuclear fusion as well. We know it can be done, we just need time…
[2013/05/21 15:33]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra):
[2013/05/21 15:33]  Sorcs Nolan: Robot cars which can fly, fixes it? 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: I believe the actual quote was ‘may weigh no more than 2 or 3 tons’.
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): easy for robocars to beat human traffic fatality records not to mention number of accidents in total
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Roxie Marten: I watched trek as a kid kirk pulls you his communicator. I never thought we would live long enough to see that
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: A lot of things we expected to have by the far-future year of 2000 AD, will probably still show up sometime during the 21st Century.
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): ours is actually better than his with facetime. 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: We do have the tech for robot cars. And quantum computers too, if you believe D Wave.
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Cryptic Hak: yeah
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Cryptic Hak: we do
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: Robot cars are near-term. There are no technological show-stoppers there.
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Cryptic Hak: I meant tech for large scale, consumer-level implementation
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Tikor: And who you believe is the discussion isn’t it?
[2013/05/21 15:34]  Roxie Marten: what ever you predict to day will be wrong in 50 years
[2013/05/21 15:35]  ArtCrash Exonar: I remember when they were talking about TV on your wrist. I didn’t believe it would be possible. Well here it is.
[2013/05/21 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Or what you believe..
[2013/05/21 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Hiya Gwynie!
[2013/05/21 15:35]  Cryptic Hak: i.e. so that someone doesn’t leave their nuclear furnace on when they go to work and end up annihilating a city
[2013/05/21 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me says hi and disagrees with Roxie
[2013/05/21 15:35]  Zobeid Zuma: I’ve been looking at this subject for a long time, and I can tell some cautionary tales…
[2013/05/21 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I predict that in 50 years there wilkl stikll be a Planet Earth
[2013/05/21 15:35]  Roxie Marten: a what?
[2013/05/21 15:35]  Tikor: a safe prediction
[2013/05/21 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /grin
[2013/05/21 15:36]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): They never believed we’d find life on other planets, but there’s evidence of life on Mars (single-celled organisms), and there are several possible megaEarths.
[2013/05/21 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: There is NOT QUITE evidence of life of Mars… yet
[2013/05/21 15:36]  Roxie Marten: I grew up in the 60’s they predicted colonies on the moon
[2013/05/21 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *on Mars
[2013/05/21 15:36]  ArtCrash Exonar: I predict that in 50 years, people will still be obsessed with sex.
[2013/05/21 15:36]  Zobeid Zuma: Who never believed we’d find live on other planets? I think the experts have always generally favored the odds of that.
[2013/05/21 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye! 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:36]  Roxie Marten: art:Well played sir
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): Colonies on the moon were and are doable. What we get is a function of many things only a few of which are technical abilities
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: So apart from technical feasibility, what else might prevent an invention from being anything other than vaporware?
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Fermi Paradox, anyone?
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: And we would have colonies on the moon today if we really wanted them. We chose different priorities.
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Cryptic Hak: patents ?
[2013/05/21 15:37]  ArtCrash Exonar: What is the Fermi Parados?
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Tikor: Economics, Extie.
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): politics and bad law
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree with ikor… economics
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): broken economic system
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Cryptic Hak: the tragedy of the commons.
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Tikor: In our monetary system things exist because they are profitable, not just feasible.
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): no clear way to profit from building it out
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Roxie Marten: GM promised a nuclear powered car when I was kid
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: Demand? We do not have food in a pill because eating is, partly, a social event.
[2013/05/21 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, politics and bad law will just postpone the invention
[2013/05/21 15:38]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): bad marketing
[2013/05/21 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: Nixon decided the Vietnam War was more important than space exploration. 😛
[2013/05/21 15:38]  Tikor: Politics and law can speed an invention, or class of inventions as well.
[2013/05/21 15:38]  Tikor: Like this wonderful internet.
[2013/05/21 15:38]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): they don’t pospone invention nearly as much as implementation and getting it into people’s hands
[2013/05/21 15:38]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): sorry, production
[2013/05/21 15:38]  Roxie Marten: no peple got bored with space travel.
[2013/05/21 15:38]  ArtCrash Exonar: Woody Allen predicted the orgasmotron. I’m still waiting.
[2013/05/21 15:38]  Cryptic Hak: Well, Nixon might have been right…
[2013/05/21 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: Flying cars are technically possible and they do exist, but the rules and regulations surrounding them, and the insurance you need to drive/fly one, are prohibitive.
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Cryptic Hak: who knows.
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): you think it was up to the masses whether space travel continued or not?
[2013/05/21 15:39]  ArtCrash Exonar: Nixon was very much to the right.
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): People aren’t bored with space travel. We’ll have the first tourist space mission in a few years.
[2013/05/21 15:39]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Cryptic Hak: ROFL
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): most people did not get the moon landing. I remember
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: Well we gave up the Moon and didn’t end up with Vietnam either.
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Cryptic Hak: if you believe they put a man on the moon…
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: REM:)
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: And now Vietnam is the source of the world’s worst paper *and* the world’s worst coffee!
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Cryptic Hak: haha someone got it 😀
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Tikor: Space travel had an element of prestige to it. Such things don’t last once the challenges are met. I hope either the great new inventions find a market and don’t suffer the same fate, or we get a new economic system that does support them.
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): of course they did.
[2013/05/21 15:39]  ArtCrash Exonar: It turns out you can’t colonize Mars because it doesn’t have a magnetic field.
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Roxie Marten: techically yes but be intellectually honest about it, people say flying cars. they are talking about george jetson not a hack of an airplane.
[2013/05/21 15:39]  Cryptic Hak: you type fast Seren
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): yes you can you just need to be underground
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Tikor: I’d love for there to be a market in preventative medicine, live extension, ect.
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Roxie, I blame traffic control for the lack of personal airplanes 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tikor: I think there is…
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): there is Tikor and it is expanding
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me agrees with Seren
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: I got a book on tech predictions, and in the 50s/60s everything was ‘nuclear’ and now everything is ‘computers’. YOu think we are being as short-sighted?
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Zobeid Zuma: I don’t think a true “flying car” that can replace your regular car is in the cards. But there could be a personal airplane that’s as easy to operate as a car, and also can taxi about a fair bit.
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Roxie Marten: I thank god we don’t have flying cars. they drive bad enough on the freeway, do you really want those morons flying over your house
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me will be back in a second
[2013/05/21 15:40]  Cryptic Hak: yeah quite short sighted.
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Second Life: Gwyneth Llewelyn is offline.
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): could you imagine people that can barely navigate 2D trying to escape a 3D jam up?
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): *shudders*
[2013/05/21 15:41]  ArtCrash Exonar: We do have flying cars, they are called airplanes.
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Tikor: We extrapolate from what we know. Truth isn’t as structured as fiction.
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: It would have to be computer-controlled. But then cars on the ground are probably going that way too!
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Cryptic Hak: so many wacked out possibilities atm that its hard to believe that its going to be computing ….
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Roxie Marten: zobeid:powered by Windows 8 that makes me sleep well
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Cryptic Hak: ROFL
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: Haha!
[2013/05/21 15:41]  Beloved Valencia: I saw the google car driving itself down the street teh other day
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: Would you expect your children to have to learn to drive, or would you suppose their car will be robotic?
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Beloved Valencia: I thought that was neat. DIdn’t think I’d get a chance to see it
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: According to the trends, your children won’t be interested in having a car.
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Roxie Marten: beloved:did it stop at every porn shop like it’s search engine does?
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Cryptic Hak: I mean, quantum computing, biological based computing…nanocomputing….if there are significant advances in these fields things will change dramatically
[2013/05/21 15:42]  ArtCrash Exonar: Good question Extie, and no they wouldn’t need to learn to drive except for setting the controls
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): if I had a 16 yr old I would tell them they could have a car when it came with a robot
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Beloved Valencia: lol ROxiw!
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Second Life: Gwyneth Llewelyn is online.
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: You NEVER know when a technological advance is coming.
[2013/05/21 15:42]  Tikor: I do think the young will usher in the robot cars for a number of reasons – safety being chief among them.
[2013/05/21 15:43]  ArtCrash Exonar: Parents could set the car to come home when it sniffed extra feromones in the air.
[2013/05/21 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: We have nanocomputing now, no? I mean, transistors are now..what 45 nm?
[2013/05/21 15:43]  Roxie Marten: I need to find the story I read about the guy trying to escape the impeding nuclear and the car won’t let him because he has driven his alloted miles
[2013/05/21 15:43]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): but you can sort of know what is in the labs and take a guess on which are manufacturable and saleable
[2013/05/21 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: 100 years ago there were electric cars, and everyone expected them to be a huge success just as soon as something better than lead-acid batteries was invented.
[2013/05/21 15:43]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): connecting “cars” with “safety” has made them astonishingly heavyweight and fuel consumpting
[2013/05/21 15:43]  Cryptic Hak: They forgot to factor in the stupidity pof the masses
[2013/05/21 15:43]  Cryptic Hak: of
[2013/05/21 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: In the 1990s they were still waiting for a better battery, and people said: Batteries haven’t improved in 100 years, therefore they never will! Therefore, electric cars will never work!
[2013/05/21 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: Then came NiMH batteries, and then came Li-Ion batteries.
[2013/05/21 15:44]  ArtCrash Exonar: Batteries are improving all the time
[2013/05/21 15:44]  ArtCrash Exonar: Big research going on there
[2013/05/21 15:44]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): They have improved and there are 10x improvements in battery tech in the labs now
[2013/05/21 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: And now the Tesla Model S is the best car that Consumer Reports has ever tested, they say.
[2013/05/21 15:44]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): And yet my iPhone dies after six hours *le sigh*
[2013/05/21 15:44]  Cryptic Hak: lol
[2013/05/21 15:44]  Beloved Valencia: what influences the development of a technology is how much revenue it will generate
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Roxie Marten: my flip phone goes for about 4 days with out a charge
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Zobeid Zuma: So why was there a 90 year stretch of no improvements, and then sudden breakthroughs?
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: I can remember when any battery-powered gaming device or laptop very quickly ran out of juice. Like, ten minutes or so.
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): A friend has a Tesla S. Nice but I wasn’t $65K impressed
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: There you go, Beloved — it’s all about economics
[2013/05/21 15:45]  ArtCrash Exonar: Bell labs
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Tikor: Yeah, we arguably have nanocomputing. And it is changing things, just not as we expected.
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Household robots, where are they? Too expensive to produce. Who is able to mass-produce a household robot which might cost a million dollars for the common user to buy? 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Tikor: Science comes in fits and starts. Advances at every funeral, I believe is the quote.
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Roxie Marten: yes I want my Rosie to do dishes and cook
[2013/05/21 15:45]  ArtCrash Exonar: Define what you mean by nanocomputing
[2013/05/21 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hehe Tikor 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:46]  Zobeid Zuma: We have Roomba though!
[2013/05/21 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: Well..I would say a real nanocomputer would be a billion-core laptop that computes on 1 atom per bit. And we are not quite there, yet.
[2013/05/21 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: One bit per atom, I mean.
[2013/05/21 15:46]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): roomba makes a good base for a telepresence robot. 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I remember when a “cell phone” costed $2500 and needed to be carried in a suitcase… with a battery worth one hour of conversation
[2013/05/21 15:46]  Beloved Valencia: lol
[2013/05/21 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe yes, Zo 🙂 So we’re getting there. Slowly.
[2013/05/21 15:46]  Roxie Marten: didn’t it cost you 2500 a minute to use it too:)
[2013/05/21 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Probably!!
[2013/05/21 15:47]  ArtCrash Exonar: I am actually quite amazed by what I can do with my smartphone.
[2013/05/21 15:47]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): iPhones have their suitcase for voice recognition stored in a cloud
[2013/05/21 15:47]  Tikor: 1 bit per atom – wouldn’t that be picocomputing?
[2013/05/21 15:47]  Zobeid Zuma: My cat has a robotic litter box.
[2013/05/21 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: @ Art
[2013/05/21 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: I saw an article that explained what an iPhone in the 8os would look like, if it had the same power. You needed a truck to carry it.
[2013/05/21 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What’s a robotic litter box? It follows the cat around and fills itself with litter? I want one of these!
[2013/05/21 15:47]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): i remember a “laptop” or luggable that weight more than a portable sewing machine and looked like one when carried around
[2013/05/21 15:47]  Zobeid Zuma: Haha!
[2013/05/21 15:47]  Roxie Marten: my first HD was 10 meg and it cost about 500 bucks. now you can get a terabyte for under 100
[2013/05/21 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I saw a movie in 1968 which showed an iPad… it was called “2001 — A Space Odyssey” 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:48]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): if the litter box drives, the cat will prolly perch on top of it for a drive
[2013/05/21 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: movie *made in 1968 (I wasn’t born then!)
[2013/05/21 15:48]  Zobeid Zuma: It uses disposable litter cartridges, has a sensor, and rakes the litter 20 minutes after kitty uses it. Works remarkably well.
[2013/05/21 15:48]  Roxie Marten: whispers: captain kilr had an I pad in TOS
[2013/05/21 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: I have seen that movie 15 times and I never spotted anything like an Ipad.
[2013/05/21 15:48]  Zobeid Zuma: Now I just need a robot to follow her around and clean up her barf. 😛
[2013/05/21 15:48]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): yeah. they made movies even back then. 😛
[2013/05/21 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe yes, Zo 🙂 Well, better than nothing!
[2013/05/21 15:48]  ArtCrash Exonar: I remember a simple electronic calculator that was the size tabletop
[2013/05/21 15:48]  ArtCrash Exonar: See? I’m old. haha
[2013/05/21 15:49]  Beloved Valencia: lol
[2013/05/21 15:49]  Roxie Marten: I rememer LED watches sold for a grand. now you get them in the check out line for 5 bucks
[2013/05/21 15:49]  Cryptic Hak: haha
[2013/05/21 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seren: right! With pretty accurate predictions, even if they got the dates wrong — I saw my first videophone booth last week, not in 2001….
[2013/05/21 15:49]  ArtCrash Exonar: I’m Fortran old
[2013/05/21 15:49]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): stop it or I will talk about programming my homebrew computer by hex pad. 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:49]  Roxie Marten: art:I am green bar paper terminal old
[2013/05/21 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: Hello Sally:)
[2013/05/21 15:49]  Cryptic Hak: It’s impossible to predict this stuff because some scientific breakthroughs are serendipitous and as such, unpredicatble.
[2013/05/21 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh Roxie 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:50]  ArtCrash Exonar: Yes, the future is a chaotic system. Therefore unpredictable
[2013/05/21 15:50]  Cryptic Hak: yup
[2013/05/21 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cryptic, I agree. And when we’re talking about the economics issue, it’s even harder to predict what will become mainstream and dirt cheap to produce.
[2013/05/21 15:50]  Roxie Marten: first computer I touched had a papper terminal filled an entire room your I pad has more computer power, that was 1968
[2013/05/21 15:50]  Cryptic Hak: nods
[2013/05/21 15:50]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): the breakthrough isn’t the exciting part for you or I. It is the productization that gets it into our hands
[2013/05/21 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, LED lasers which are a few mm wide? Ridiculous (in 1965)
[2013/05/21 15:50]  Roxie Marten: your IPAD has more computer pwoer than nasa went to the moon with
[2013/05/21 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: Kurzweil says that capabilities are pretty predictable. Like, you can figure out how much computing 100 dollars would buy you in 20 years time, or how much a gigabyte of storage would cost.
[2013/05/21 15:50]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): unless of course you have your own lab
[2013/05/21 15:51]  ArtCrash Exonar: I’m totally amazed at what kind of quality photos you can get from a smartphone with a tiny lens and chip.
[2013/05/21 15:51]  Cryptic Hak: I dont think Kurzweil was right…
[2013/05/21 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kurzweil, as always, is soooo optimistic that he lives on an Alternate Reality™
[2013/05/21 15:51]  Tikor: And some scientific advances aren’t unpredictable – specifically the ones with massive research budgets like transistor density. People throwing enough money have a habit of making things true.
[2013/05/21 15:51]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): You don’t need your own lab these days; there are community labs in some big cities. You go there and rent a space and they have all sorts of equipment you can borrow
[2013/05/21 15:51]  Roxie Marten: art:makes me cry, I have a large format cameral. no film and no place to process anymore
[2013/05/21 15:51]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): He has been largely right within reasonable error bars many times to date
[2013/05/21 15:51]  Cryptic Hak: Tikor: money doesnt /always/ predict success
[2013/05/21 15:51]  Beloved Valencia: yep
[2013/05/21 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: What was he wrong about, though? His predictions for 2009 held up pretty well. Easily more than 70% were right.
[2013/05/21 15:51]  ArtCrash Exonar: I have my share of boat anchor cameras Roxie… heh
[2013/05/21 15:52]  Beloved Valencia: my yep was to Seren
[2013/05/21 15:52]  Tikor: habit and certainty I agree are different things
[2013/05/21 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tikor, assuming that “problems” get fixed by throwing a lot of money at them — and that you can still make a profit out of that. See ‘clean labs’ for doing computer chips; cost US$1 billion to build, but they’re certainly profitable.
[2013/05/21 15:52]  Second Life: Mr. Yuk (6mr6yuk6) is online.
[2013/05/21 15:52]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): One guy used the lab to find out with DNA testing whose dog was pooping on his lawn. HE went around giving balls to neighborhood dogs and taking saliva off them. He went to the rental lab and used DNA replication to compare the DNA and found his match
[2013/05/21 15:52]  Cryptic Hak: I havent read Kurzweil so I couldnt say, buit I just dont think that you can predict how much computing power x dollars will buy you in y years
[2013/05/21 15:52]  ArtCrash Exonar: I occasionally read the magazine or website New Scientist. My mind is boggled regularly.
[2013/05/21 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, there’s Moore’s Law…
[2013/05/21 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: aaah oh yes, Art
[2013/05/21 15:52]  Roxie Marten: H.S. math class. TI scientific calculator the size of a brick and cost a grand. they kept them in a safe you signed out and never left the room
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Tikor: It all depends on what kind of error you’ll accept on your prediction, cryptic.
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): chips became profitable when they figured out how to mass produce them.
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: á good source for information about the future… which is the present
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Roxie Marten: now you can get them for under a 100 bucks or download it free from the net
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: Right. The price/performance doubles every 2 years or so. That trend has held since 1968.
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: I once saw an article making fun of some past tech predictions. There was an illustration from the 1930s of an enormous “wind energy tower” the size of a skyscraper. Haha! What a ridiculous idea!
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Cryptic Hak: Moore’s law is specific to silicon-based computers.
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Cryptic Hak: Moore’s law is an observation, nothing more.
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo ㋡ 🙂 :-~)
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: Then a few years later these started rolling past my house:
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Now we have 16 Gig notepad computers
[2013/05/21 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes but it can be extrapolated out too all 5 paradigms of computing.
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Moore’s Law is like Bode’s Law — no empirical correlational evidence, but, strangely, it holds true
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Roxie Marten: got a trivia question, when was the first wireless phone call made?
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): Those people with the wind funnels might disagree that it is totally out of the question.
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: Kurzweil shows that Moore’a law is part if his greater LAR.
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Cryptic Hak: from wikipedia: “This trend has continued for more than half a century. Sources in 2005 expected it to continue until at least 2015 or 2020.[note 1][12] However, the 2010 update to the International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors has growth slowing at the end of 2013,[13] after which time transistor counts and densities are to double only every three years.”
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Does anyone waiting for the end of paper media?
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In the 1930s — they were called “walkie-talkies” back then. I saw a Canadian show about that!
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Cryptic Hak: So already Moore’s law is not accurate.
[2013/05/21 15:54]  ArtCrash Exonar: This is the year that Wind surpassed Natural Gas as the most newly installed power generation number of gigawatts.
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Roxie Marten: 1880 Bell invented the photophone sent phone calls via light, the base of fiber optics today
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, now we have paper transistors
[2013/05/21 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: Paper is too useful to disappear.
[2013/05/21 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: really, Art? That’s awesome!!!
[2013/05/21 15:55]  Cryptic Hak: Moore’s law is just BS. Its oversimplification
[2013/05/21 15:55]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): well, if Drexler is right about Atomically Precise Manufacturing it will make Moore’s Law outdated by being too slow.
[2013/05/21 15:55]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): I would like to save some of the trees
[2013/05/21 15:55]  ArtCrash Exonar: Yes it is refreshing
[2013/05/21 15:55]  Roxie Marten: we use more paper now than we did before the computer took over. so much for predictions of a paperless society
[2013/05/21 15:55]  ArtCrash Exonar: But we do recycle more paper, no?
[2013/05/21 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: It is the roadmap that the computing industry follows when planning the next-gen products, cryptic.
[2013/05/21 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thankfully, yes, Art
[2013/05/21 15:55]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): the computer did not take over. silly humans run everything still. 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:56]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Blind people will stop using paper Braille as soon as they come out with an inexpensive, full-page refreshable Braille display. Poof, no more paper needed.
[2013/05/21 15:56]  ArtCrash Exonar: Recycling will get better as the years go by I think.
[2013/05/21 15:56]  Tikor: The interesting question would be if we plant more trees. Paper is fine so long as it is produced sustainably.
[2013/05/21 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: BTW is the belief that an ipad has more computing power than Apollo incorrect if you factor in the brains of the human scientists and engineers who collaborated?
[2013/05/21 15:56]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): or have flex screens that are cheap enough to make paper obsolete
[2013/05/21 15:56]  Cryptic Hak: Like I said, it might apply to conventional computing…but I seriously don’t think it will continue to be accurate.
[2013/05/21 15:56]  Zobeid Zuma: AI didn’t happen quickly. We didn’t get HAL by 2001. But it would still be a bad idea to bet against HAL. It’s not like AI research is going to stop anytime soon.
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Its still happen
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: I think it will continue to be fairly accurate.
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, yes, Extropia, like xenoastronomers use Bode’s Law to predict where extrasolar planets are supposed to be. They *know* the law is fake. It just barely works for our solar system, and is just a coincidence. But — it might be a coincidence on other solar systems as well
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): google is after at least many narrow AI advances
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Roxie Marten: I think the computer has taken over. I know someone in the trucking industry. he waits more for the computer to make paper work than waiting to get loaded. no one can write out shipped out 10 palletts, they make him sit and wait until the computer is working
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Similarly, Moore’s Law is just a fortunate coincidence
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: And I have read Kurzweil’s books:)
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Roxie Marten: people can’t think anymore with out the computer
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Cryptic Hak: Well, if someone says “Computers will continue to get ,more powerful…” I dont call that a law, I call it a fucking obvious observation.
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Economics is an interesting field of science: the rpediction changes the observations
[2013/05/21 15:57]  ArtCrash Exonar: The problem with supercomputers is how much power they consume.
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Just think One day, You could have a ROBOt Master
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): 😛
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): they need more computers in trucking. Have you seen that wad of paper they carry?
[2013/05/21 15:57]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Forget thinking, I can’t *remember* anything without my iPhone
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): of course soon the truck driver will be a robot
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: But really Moore’s LAw is a record of the past and not a prophet.
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): or the truck drives itself
[2013/05/21 15:58]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): define “powerfull”. computing still callculates, it does not “think”
[2013/05/21 15:58]  ArtCrash Exonar: Is there a digital solution for toilet paper? heh
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: My old 1997 car, which finally broke down, had more computers in it than my household…
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Zobeid Zuma: Trying to buy a coke at the corner store… “We can’t check out out, our computers are down!” 😛
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: exactly
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes Art: Uploading!
[2013/05/21 15:58]  ArtCrash Exonar: har
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Roxie Marten: zobeid:I have seen that
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): what do you mean by think? Can you win Jeopardy without thinking?
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Cryptic Hak: I think the best way for strong AI is application of evolutionary algorithms…
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Zobeid Zuma: /me still has a truck with no computer.
[2013/05/21 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “Past results are not a reliable estimation of future results”, it says on any financial contract
[2013/05/21 15:59]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): “a digital solution for toilet paper” err .. an App? Would that work out?
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seren: apparently,. IBM’s computers do exactly that
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): An AI program can win Jeopardy, so yes, you can win Jeopardy without thinking
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): no they did not. They do think actually
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: Want to clean away the crap/ now we have the perfect app.
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, so do cats 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Zobeid Zuma: I saw that commercial, Luisa! 😀
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Roxie Marten: luisa:it comes from Apple with the new I-Pot but you can only use Apple approved toilet paper the I-Roll
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: luisa: “digital” as in “using your digits”? 🙂
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: Unless the AI is thinking.
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: digit = finger
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): I would like to be able to remember more
[2013/05/21 15:59]  Tikor: Searle’s chinese room can take a whole night to discuss
[2013/05/21 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed, Tikor .)
[2013/05/21 16:00]  Zobeid Zuma: /me points –>
[2013/05/21 16:00]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): I use my digits to read
[2013/05/21 16:00]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): I hate forgetting stuff
[2013/05/21 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: It can take a sentence to dismiss:)
[2013/05/21 16:00]  Second Life: Seren (serendipity.seraph) is offline.
[2013/05/21 16:00]  Second Life: Seren (serendipity.seraph) is online.
[2013/05/21 16:00]  Tikor: Yes, I’m interested in how we might guage what will be. Seems like any method is prone to error, but some are better than others.
[2013/05/21 16:00]  ArtCrash Exonar: We can always go back to the original toilet paper. A stick or some leaves.
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: You crash, sweetheart?
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): That tp commerial is funny
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): What, you’ve never heard of Cajun toilet paper (hanging moss)?
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): So there is a question. When is SL or viewer tech going to be crash proof?
[2013/05/21 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: near
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Zobeid Zuma: I found a way to greatly reduce my crashes, Seren.
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: next update. LL promises!
[2013/05/21 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: never
[2013/05/21 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): I do think now 21 century.. We do figure a better way the TP
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In 50 years.
[2013/05/21 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: what a difference a letter makes
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Roxie Marten: I want a digital TP dispenser that says “Hey idiot you left the roll empty” takes a pic of the offender and posts it to the net
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Zobeid Zuma: I turned on Lossy Texture Compression. I’ve had way fewer lockups and crashes since then.
[2013/05/21 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (love the commercial about paper, btw)
[2013/05/21 16:02]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): (( me too))
[2013/05/21 16:02]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): I do think there has to be a better way
[2013/05/21 16:02]  ArtCrash Exonar: We should never forget how complicated this SL software server network system is. This isn’t a simple deal.
[2013/05/21 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: Is the fact that a technology has stumped the best minds for decades a good indication that it is bound to stump the current generation of scientists and engineers too?
[2013/05/21 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed, it’s chaotic. And as all chaotic systems, it’s very hard to predict how it will react :)(
[2013/05/21 16:03]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): I hope to live long enough to not need to poop because I am uploaded or running around in a spiffy sexbot
[2013/05/21 16:03]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:03]  Zobeid Zuma: OK, how about nuclear fusion power? NOVA did a great show about fusion, they said it’s coming soon. Too bad they made that show in the 1970s….
[2013/05/21 16:03]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2013/05/21 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: no! Or we wouldn’t have scientific and technological breakthroughs ever!
[2013/05/21 16:03]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Laughs@ Seren
[2013/05/21 16:03]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): they took the wrong fundamental approach and gave it most of the funding.
[2013/05/21 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: You had better take out an extended warrenty on your sexbot body, my love.Because, believe me, it is going to be put through its paces:))
[2013/05/21 16:03]  ArtCrash Exonar: Cliche to follow: Fusion power is 50 years away
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: didn’t we talk about fusion power last week? 🙂 or was it the week before last? About POlywell reactors…
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Hey, if pro is the opposite of con, then progress must be the opposite of congress
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): I just want my robot servant,and my flying car,and I want my light sabers
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: We talked about 3D printing and sort of wandered into polywell.
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Cryptic Hak: yeah wasnt someone 3d prionting a reactor or somethign?
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): ¨good one Julie
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: This is what inspired this topic, Gwyn, you lot talking about fusion power.
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: But fusion is probably more relevant to this week’s topic.
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Roxie Marten: light saber? you would put your eye out
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right, Cryptic! I read a lot about fusion power since then
[2013/05/21 16:04]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): lol@Roxie
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): What’s fusion?
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Tikor: Extie: I hope not our best and brightest will find a way around what today seem like intractable problems. I think we can influence the outcome with funding, prestige and markets.
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: I think a robot servant is just about possible.
[2013/05/21 16:05]  ArtCrash Exonar: Light sabres always bothered me. In a high tech world, why fight with glowing swords?
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Cryptic Hak: So will we have a kickstarter for a fusion reactor RSN ?
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It seems that the US Navy most certainly has practical fusors out there, but they’re not so happy to discuss how efficient they are 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Roxie Marten: art:because they are cool
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Cryptic Hak: Sweet
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Roxie Marten: art: they hit with better accuracy than guys in plastic armour shooting guns
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Tikor: Because lightsabers can reflect blasters ! Probably also religious reasons.
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: Because a lightsaber is not as clumsy or random as a blaster. An elegant weapon..for a more..civilized age.
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): I will be happy to see molten salt thorium reactors become the standard mainline energy source – delighted if we get fusion of course but no need to wait on it for much better than now.
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Cryptic Hak: rofl
[2013/05/21 16:05]  Zobeid Zuma: I imagine “sequestration” will end the Navy’s project.
[2013/05/21 16:05]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): swords, knights, fairy tail .. they merely glowed because setting was “future”
[2013/05/21 16:06]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): There needs to be more feamle Jedi Knights
[2013/05/21 16:06]  ArtCrash Exonar: In a high tech world of the distant future, will we have to learn very much at all to use the tech around us?
[2013/05/21 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Julie: hitting atoms (or, more precisely, ions) at high speeds; in teh process, energy is released. Advantage: it’s cheap and not radioactive (if done correctly)
[2013/05/21 16:06]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): mil projects much more seldom get cut
[2013/05/21 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: So far as I could tell there was only one female Jedi in Star Wars.
[2013/05/21 16:06]  Cryptic Hak: especially secretish ones
[2013/05/21 16:06]  Zobeid Zuma: Non-mainstream fusion research — meaning anything besides ITER — is too disreputable to get funding.
[2013/05/21 16:06]  Tikor: Art: the more complicated tech gets the greater the reward for being a tinkerer. But the intro experience should also improve.
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Roxie Marten: I just hope in 50 years we will have started moving off this mud ball and stop thinking cutting space development is going to magicly make poor people stop being poor
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, the Polywell guys certainly have funding from the US Navy….
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): several in the later movies but they seemed to be largely red shrits
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: No we will not have to learn. Society progresses by the amount of work you can perform without having to think about it.
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Mars would be good place..
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): We have many adults who can’t figure out touchscreen computers, but give it to a three-year-old, and they have it in and out in half a minute
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Roxie: talk to Richard Branson 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Tikor: Roxie: I agree. For existential risk reasons I strongly support space colonization.
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Roxie Marten: I voulenteer my ex for a trip to mars
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Zobeid Zuma: Like I said, I’ll be surprised if they still have any funding after sequestration filters through. (Not that they have much to begin with, it’s really a shoestring effort.)
[2013/05/21 16:07]  Cryptic Hak: Yeah we need to get away from the religious nuts pronto.
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Roxie Marten: gwy:I am talking about the idiots who whine about the space program and say “we couild save the poor with that money”
[2013/05/21 16:08]  ArtCrash Exonar: So what will education be like in a future with all of our physical needs met? Lots of history and Art?
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Roxie, you can’t volunteer, silly. They are charging people for that.
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Zobeid Zuma: As they said in The Right Stuff…. “No bucks, no Buck Rogers.”
[2013/05/21 16:08]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): darn forgotten that con artist who advertised cold fusion devices … the plot should have gone up by now. where is my calendar?
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: There are already mmmh 2000 volunteers (I think taht’s the official number) for a one-way-trip to Mars….
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: We do not yet have the technology to sustain our civilization on Earth so we definitely cannot live on Mars!
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): If we reignite Mars’s core, It will have magnetic field, Then we can build a atmosphere.It can be another earth mostly
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Tikor: I hear there’s a reality show accepting mars applications – but I can’t take it seriously yet. It fails to match its ambitions with funding.
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah Roxi,e good point, yes
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Roxie Marten: julie:how much to send my ex one way?
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Zobeid Zuma: You know what makes your rocket ships go up? FUNDING!
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): actually there is more indep evidence that seems like he may be onto something.
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Roxie Marten: /me starts passing the hat around the room donation for a good cause?
[2013/05/21 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Investing a lot in space technology = more industry = more people employed = less poor peopl 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: yes 😛
[2013/05/21 16:09]  Zobeid Zuma: /me tries to decipher what Extie said… ???
[2013/05/21 16:09]  ArtCrash Exonar: good summation Gwyn
[2013/05/21 16:09]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Actually, it’s a guy with the money for the trip. He wants to get a couple to pay for a tourist trip around Mars, and they want to make a reality show out of that.
[2013/05/21 16:09]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): so why can’t we get gates to put around $1B into each of AGI, MNT, anti-aging and mining asteroids?
[2013/05/21 16:09]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): I think the private sector will be the first colonizers
[2013/05/21 16:09]  Tikor: Extie: with the right tech, I think we could sustain a free-space civ. It wouldn’t follow the same principles as our societies on earth, however.
[2013/05/21 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seren: who is that “He” that may be on somethimng?
[2013/05/21 16:10]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): I mean he spent 28 billion on projects to make things better why not longer shot projects that could make things hugely better in one leap?
[2013/05/21 16:10]  Tikor: Gates is working at that in a roundabout way. If he actually gets polio off the planet he claims that will free up $2/year in funding that we spend on polio today.
[2013/05/21 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seren: because Bill Gates is spending most of his money in vaccines…. and secret submarine bases, of course
[2013/05/21 16:10]  ArtCrash Exonar: Poor Bill Gates, everyone thinks he has to solve all the worlds problems.
[2013/05/21 16:10]  Zobeid Zuma: Extie, first you’d have to convince us that “We do not yet have the technology to sustain our civilization on Earth”, and even if you could put *that* across, you’d still have to explain how that relates to Mars colonization. I don’t see a connection.
[2013/05/21 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: I mean, we know our current fossil-fuel dependant civilization is not sustainable and to live on Mars you would need really REALLY good recycling and solar or fusion power, none of which we have.
[2013/05/21 16:10]  Tikor: Part of that $2 could be spend on those projects.
[2013/05/21 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, like Tikor said, Gates IS doing a great job already.
[2013/05/21 16:10]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): I dont think so. I just wonder how you get into his funding chain.
[2013/05/21 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: For space exploration, I’d bet on Branson though
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): fission power would be more than sufficient for Mars
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Roxie Marten: someone needs to hack the data feed from the rovers and say they found an ocean of refiened gasoline, exxon will starting buliding the ships to go tomorrow
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Why should we spend all of the money on trips into space when we can’t even feed everyone in the world yet? I say spend more on BT vegetables and similar foods that are resistant to diseases and insects
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Cryptic Hak: HAhaha
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Zobeid Zuma: /me thinks Gates still has a way to go before he’s compensated for all the damage he’s done. >.<
[2013/05/21 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: he hee
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: I just find it funny that people think ‘ahhh if we ruin the Earth’s biosphere we can just go live on Mars’. Not!
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Mars has a most stable of all the other planets,.. The only other choice is one of Jupiter’s moons
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hm. Fusion on Mars would be tough. No deuterium or boron….
[2013/05/21 16:11]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): great job indeed; let’s see his former job as startup troubles merely
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): we can feed everyone in the world. We just haven’t killed all the assholes that won’t let the food be distributed
[2013/05/21 16:11]  Roxie Marten: extropia:shouldn’t we ask the martians first?
[2013/05/21 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: Let’s throw ice cubes at Venus!
[2013/05/21 16:12]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): that was the Hunger Project conclusion
[2013/05/21 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seren 😛
[2013/05/21 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: what martians?
[2013/05/21 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: and where would we get them? We’re losing ours!
[2013/05/21 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: There are none.
[2013/05/21 16:12]  ArtCrash Exonar: From Space!
[2013/05/21 16:12]  Tikor: Extie, I agree, it’s not like we could get any significant fraction of Earth to evac to Mars due to disaster. Just having ~200 or so people there could recolonize Earth after the disaster.
[2013/05/21 16:12]  ArtCrash Exonar: The oort cloud!
[2013/05/21 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The only martians in Mars have been created by humans on Earth, and they’re all robots.
[2013/05/21 16:12]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): it is easier to build space colonies than settle Mars
[2013/05/21 16:12]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): and cheaper
[2013/05/21 16:13]  ArtCrash Exonar: Let’s build Ringworld
[2013/05/21 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: We can visit Mars, maybe. But we cannot settle there. Not yet.
[2013/05/21 16:13]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): and less dusty, too
[2013/05/21 16:13]  Roxie Marten: you want to feed the hungry, ensure that every farmer on the planet makes a lliving wage. in case you have not noticed the number of farmers keep shrinking every year
[2013/05/21 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s a good point, but you will still need to power those space colonies…
[2013/05/21 16:13]  Zobeid Zuma: Mars should be explored by humans and colonized by robots.
[2013/05/21 16:13]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): *:-.,_,.-:*’“’*YESSSSSS!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*’“’*
[2013/05/21 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Roxie, yes, but agriculture improves every year as well
[2013/05/21 16:13]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): you don’t need so many farmers with modern agriculture which is the only way we can feed everyone btw
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Zobeid Zuma: That’s just automation at work, Roxie. It just takes fewer and fewer farmers to cultivate the same land.
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Roxie Marten: yes that cost money, john deer does not give that stuff away for free
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The problem is what Seren is saying. Take futures on agricultural produce, for example. That means that farmers in India have to destroy billions in staple foods just to keep the prices high enough for speculators to be happy.
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): nor should they
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: THAT is the problem,
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Some of the reduction in farmers is stopping people from slash-and-burn farming, too. They’ve stopped a lot of people from doing that in places like Brazil and Madagascar
[2013/05/21 16:14]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): dreams about settling on Mars could originate in allready distributed/divided land supply on earth
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Roxie Marten: but big farms are evil. at least that is what the news media tells me
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: I wonder which planet would be best for robots?
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Zobeid Zuma: It hasn’t been long since 90% of the population were farm workers, because it was so labor intensive. It took that many to grow enough to feed themselves plus the other 10%.
[2013/05/21 16:14]  ArtCrash Exonar: So what was our original question today again?
[2013/05/21 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: From robot cars to quantum computers to nuclear fusion, the tech news seemingly reports no end of amazing things on the horizon. But how is one to know what is really on the horizon and what is vaporware?
[2013/05/21 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Big farms are ok; speculators in futures are evil.
[2013/05/21 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: “follow the money”
[2013/05/21 16:15]  ArtCrash Exonar: aha
[2013/05/21 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s what I always do when I hear about a new start-up: what is their business model?
[2013/05/21 16:15]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): true@Gwyneth
[2013/05/21 16:15]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): if cars can fly, farms should follow soon. imagine sheeps grassing up there on cloud level
[2013/05/21 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Nine times out of ten, I can accurately predict which will fail.
[2013/05/21 16:15]  ArtCrash Exonar: So we can’t know till it gets here then, right?
[2013/05/21 16:15]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): big farms are not evil. We have more food for everyone than every in history thanks to them. If you don’t appreciate what is actually working then why complain about the trinkets and flying cars you don’t have yet?
[2013/05/21 16:15]  Zobeid Zuma: Yes. What is their business model? And do they have a patent on it?
[2013/05/21 16:15]  Cryptic Hak: How can you predict it Gwyn ?
[2013/05/21 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: but sometmes a great deal of money is poured into a technological lemon.
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Tikor: Extie: I favor a combination of looking up the science, seeing the tech demos and checking out the funding. But that’s just because I haven’t found a better way yet.
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Factory farms are veil
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): evil
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s easy, Cryptic. 90% of start-ups have no business model.
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: 10% haven’t, either, but they get lucky 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Roxie Marten: lusia:makes it easier to harvest a new tourist industry duck/sheep hunting
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: example: Facebook
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Cryptic Hak: haha
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): Eating meat is arguably evil so we work on artificial meat.
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: they got lucky with a dating site… when there were already a gazillion dating sites around
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: My method is…if I can buy it, it is not vaporware:)
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Zobeid Zuma: Eating meat isn’t evil.
[2013/05/21 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: Until then, it is.
[2013/05/21 16:17]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): turfburgers to the rescue!
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes, Seren,. apparently, artificial meat is going through several breakthroughs
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): don’t confuse factory dairy and meat farming with modern agriculture generally
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): A local newspaper talked about a study that found at 90% of small businesses also don’t have any long-term goals
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Zobeid Zuma: It’s unhealthy if you eat a lot, which meany people do. But it’s not morally wrong.
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Tikor: Extie: buying is believing?!
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Artificial meat… That is just spooky
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Tikor: =D
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: owning is believing.
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Roxie Marten: I have live in the country all my life, my parents were farmers. I have never seen a Factory Farm.
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: the problem is, will the company be around long enough until they ship their product to you, Extie? 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): 99.99% of all people have no long term goals or even ones for a year from now.
[2013/05/21 16:17]  ArtCrash Exonar: So growing meat in vats becomes moral because there is no nervous system involved?
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Roxie Marten: I have seen factories, I have seen farms, but never the two combined
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Cryptic Hak: if you can use it productively, it isnt vaporware..its not ownership, its ability to use.
[2013/05/21 16:17]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): artificial meet allready become reality 😀 .. don’t tell me all those fast food chains use real meat o:
[2013/05/21 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Julie: yes, I can believe that; but if they have a working business model *today*, that might mean they’ll be around next year too
[2013/05/21 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: luisa, yes, horsemeat 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:18]  Zobeid Zuma: I’ve seen feed lots, Roxie. 😦
[2013/05/21 16:18]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): But if they have no long-term goals, their business is going nowhere but down
[2013/05/21 16:18]  Zobeid Zuma: Also smelled them. 😛
[2013/05/21 16:18]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): how do you have a long term goal in business if the government may nationalize your industry or pass laws making your business impossible or ruin the economy tomorrow?
[2013/05/21 16:18]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): Go to Dairy farm where they work the cows to daeth with hormones so they can produce more milk than normal.. That is a facory farm
[2013/05/21 16:18]  Tikor: Art: The lack of a nervous system makes some people less nervous about killing it? I’d believe that. I don’t that that makes it more or less ethical.
[2013/05/21 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Correct, Julie 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:18]  Zobeid Zuma: If your food comes from a place that smells *that* bad, something is wrong with the system.
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Tikor: Seren: You place your bet and hope – like all businessmen!
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): I know about the evils of factory farms
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seren: well, “long-term” usually means “a bit more than 5 years”… 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: Or you cheat
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Roxie Marten: a show of hands. who here has actualy worked on a farm?
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: Are they evil or a necessity for a population of 6 billion+?
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): “Sure the game is rigged. But if you don’t play you can’t win.” – Heinlein
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Tikor: Art: I revise my statement: like all honest businesmen!
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Only China’s government plans ahead a century. Really. But the Chinese are VERY patient.
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Me!
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Zobeid Zuma: I have!
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Roxie Marten: anyone actually shoved shit
[2013/05/21 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: I worked on my neighbors farm as a child for fun.
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Cryptic Hak: lol love that quote Seren
[2013/05/21 16:19]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): not me
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Roxie Marten: shoveled shit.
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): I grew up on a family farm taking care of chickens from egg to butcher block
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Worked on a farm, no; shoving shit, sure, but not on a farm 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Roxie Marten: watch your profit margine go poof over night
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): no they don’t and no they aren’t. China has become the new Russia. Land of the intelligent who do it better than US
[2013/05/21 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: I know enough to know that ranching is all about killing things.
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Not if it’s a horse ranch…
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Extropia DaSilva: are we digressing?
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Cryptic Hak: GLUE!
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Zobeid Zuma: Probably we are.
[2013/05/21 16:20]  Tikor: Likely
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Roxie Marten: Okay no offense to the non farming types. before you go spreading dis information you read on the web about the food supply. go get your hands dirty and learn where your food comes from
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seren: that’s what they want YOU to think 😉
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): oh my. you are right. we *are* digressing.
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Cryptic Hak: Squirrel!
[2013/05/21 16:21]  ArtCrash Exonar: how is that even possible? heh
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Tikor: Exite: To topic, what if owning is outside of my financial reach? Surely there are tech advances in that category I can still believe in?
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: UP!
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): So, have you guys ever heard of the car that blind people can drive?
[2013/05/21 16:21]  ArtCrash Exonar: yes
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): China is having it own problems, with pollution, poor regulation on meats,and other produce
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Zobeid Zuma: Owning what?
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): *pushes the topic back to robotics and cars*
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Roxie Marten: my ex owns one
[2013/05/21 16:21]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): so how can you know what is hype never to come and what isn’t? You can’t.
[2013/05/21 16:22]  ArtCrash Exonar: The Google car
[2013/05/21 16:22]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Not the google car
[2013/05/21 16:22]  Roxie Marten: I am sorry he is not blind just a poor driver
[2013/05/21 16:22]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): generally speaking
[2013/05/21 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I’d say you can… in 90% of the cases.
[2013/05/21 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The remaining 10% are really guys who have been VERY lucky.
[2013/05/21 16:22]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): if you are that good then please tell me where to invest, gwyn. 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:22]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): It was built by Virginia Tech and the NFB, and uses sensors all around the car. It sends signals through vibrations in the gloves and seat that the driver interprets
[2013/05/21 16:22]  Zobeid Zuma: I like the idea of a robot car. But I don’t want to trade my Miata for it.
[2013/05/21 16:23]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): True Google Car is cool.. California is one ofthe states that has laws for Autonomous cars
[2013/05/21 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: If you can buy it in principle, if it exists on the commercial market, it is not vaporware. So..I would say ASIMO is vaporware in that you could not actually buy one, no matter how rich you are. I do not think Honda sell them.
[2013/05/21 16:23]  ArtCrash Exonar: For example, I’m assuming the Oculus Rift is vaporware until it is actually manufactured and distributed.
[2013/05/21 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Seren — invest on any company that does NOT run on venture capital, business angels, crowdfunding — but on getting sales 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:23]  Zobeid Zuma: The way traffic is now in the cities, I am afraid to drive there.
[2013/05/21 16:23]  Sally (wrenlongleaf): You don’t to drive soon, Roxie . The care willd o it for you
[2013/05/21 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: excellent example!
[2013/05/21 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: The Rift dev kit is not vaporware.
[2013/05/21 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s a “dev kit”
[2013/05/21 16:24]  Tikor: Extie: Sounds like a good principle Art: I’d say the occulus dev kit is not vaporware.
[2013/05/21 16:24]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): I’m afraid to *walk* in the city these days….people are nuts behind the wheel
[2013/05/21 16:24]  Tikor: Extie beat me to it.
[2013/05/21 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not a “company with a long-term business plan”
[2013/05/21 16:24]  Cryptic Hak: I’d say the Rift has about a 65% chance of not being vaporware
[2013/05/21 16:24]  Extropia DaSilva: I would say 98%
[2013/05/21 16:24]  Zobeid Zuma: I remember when the Video Toaster was one of the most notiories examples of vaporware. But when they finally released it, it was a huge success.
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Something like that, Cryptic. There is a potential market for 200 million buyers of the Rift. And they have proven they can manufacture it. Now the question is: distribution…
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Cryptic Hak: yeah
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Roxie Marten: I used to sell amgias. sweet memories of video toaster
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Second Life: Elnyp Dryke is offline.
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): much larger chance than that. that kind of VR rig is obviously coming. If not this one then another that it paves the way for in public imagination and yearning
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: When you have the world leading videogame designers all saying the Rift is great, you have got to believe:)
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Tikor: Extie: What about, say, military assets? I can’t buy, say some advanced guided missles, but they could affect me in drastic ways. I think that brings it into non-vaporware territory.
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, if it’s a question of faith, Extie…. 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Cryptic Hak: hah
[2013/05/21 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m an atheist on that 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:26]  ArtCrash Exonar: I’m thinking a product like the Oculus Rift would lead to good things for SL if SL integrated it. What do you think?
[2013/05/21 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: I was thinking of personal tech, though, Tiko.
[2013/05/21 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Journalists and media analysts and marketeers also say that “social networking is cool” 😉
[2013/05/21 16:26]  Cryptic Hak: didnt LL announce occulus integration?
[2013/05/21 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: LL have already designed a viewer for it.
[2013/05/21 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: SL IS integrating it, Art. We have a comment from Rod himself on that.
[2013/05/21 16:26]  Tikor: Ah, personal tech, yes, I withdraw my counterexample.
[2013/05/21 16:26]  Zobeid Zuma: Does anyone here remember Edwin Land?
[2013/05/21 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:26]  ArtCrash Exonar: One thing is for certain, if you read about it on Hamlet Au’s blog is it most certainly vaporware…. heh
[2013/05/21 16:26]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): SL has no integrated a lot of improvements since it was invented so not sure they will move fast enough on OR
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahahaha Art
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Cryptic Hak: there are a shit-ton of games that have announced they plan to support the rift, I htink
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): I think opensim will hack it in sooner
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: Has Rod now been CEO longer than anyone bar Saint Phliip of Rosedale?
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): if you can figure out how to build the hack. 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Tikor: I think the rift will do great things for SL and lots of other non-violent interactive media. Have you seen that rollercoaster demo on the dev kit?
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Roxie Marten: I am more excited about leap motiion then rift.
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Leap! Yes!
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Zobeid Zuma: He was inventor of the Polaroid Land Camera, and reputedly a personal hero to Steve Jobs. He created the SX-70 camera which is still one of the most amazing gadgets ever seen.
[2013/05/21 16:27]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): yes. I can’t wait to get my leap motion
[2013/05/21 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Interesting that HP bought Leap
[2013/05/21 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: I like that guillotine demo best. People seemed freaked out, using that.
[2013/05/21 16:28]  ArtCrash Exonar: Yes, the founder of Polaroid
[2013/05/21 16:28]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): and why can’t we have direct drive animation here? At least something that maps facial expressions?
[2013/05/21 16:28]  Tikor: I hear EQII has it!
[2013/05/21 16:28]  Zobeid Zuma: So, I saw where he’d once been interviewed about the future of photography, and of course he predicted all kinds of amazing future advances…. in chemistry. Like self-enlarging photos, that would grow to print size right in front of you.
[2013/05/21 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: High Fidelity has that, Seren. Philip has published a video showing it at work 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:29]  ArtCrash Exonar: I saw that
[2013/05/21 16:29]  Cryptic Hak: SOunds interesting Zobeid
[2013/05/21 16:29]  Zobeid Zuma: People tend to expect more of what they’ve already seen. Land had done great things with chemistry, he expected the future would be all about chemistry.
[2013/05/21 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: If we had that, beloved, I would spend all our lovemaking yawning my head off, on account of my primary being kept up way past bedtime.
[2013/05/21 16:29]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): I saw one of skeleton figures trying to learn to hold hands. 😛
[2013/05/21 16:29]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): That would inspire me to wake you back up!
[2013/05/21 16:29]  ArtCrash Exonar: Nobody expected digital imaging to replace film until the early nineties.
[2013/05/21 16:30]  Roxie Marten: I wish I could find the demo of VR I saw in 85 and run it next to Second LIfe for the people who complain about SL
[2013/05/21 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: One minute left! 50 years you expect to see….what?
[2013/05/21 16:30]  Zobeid Zuma: In the 1800s they had the industrial revolution, and they thought the future would be all about more and more advances in steam power. 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:30]  Roxie Marten: art;Film is not dead*huging her film camera*
[2013/05/21 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What do I expect to see in 50 years? Hmm, mostly dirt, unless I get cremated
[2013/05/21 16:30]  ArtCrash Exonar: In the next fifty years we will definitely have flying cars and fusion power!
[2013/05/21 16:30]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): it was great stuff and is in some ways but definitely ripe for improvement
[2013/05/21 16:30]  Zobeid Zuma: And now we think “technology” is the same thing as microprocessors and Moore’s Law. Are we just as blind as they were?
[2013/05/21 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: whispers: Yes we are!
[2013/05/21 16:30]  ArtCrash Exonar: hellaya
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Tikor: Robots brining about technological unemployment, a reworking of the economic system, and still no space colonies!
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Roxie Marten: I wonder if in 50 years there will be a back lash to technology.
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Julie Phillips (juliennexenedra): Gotta run. Was fun. Thanks for the chat, hon.
[2013/05/21 16:31]  ArtCrash Exonar: The starvation of the majority of mankind due to climate change.
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: See you, Julie!
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): in the next fifty years we will be in either an amazing place beyond imagining or worse off than humans have been for over a century.
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Zobeid Zuma: Probably the biotech revolution still hasn’t really gotten off the ground. It’s brewing today like computers were back in the 1950s-1960s.
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Art
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Roxie Marten: I love my computer but I still find that doing things by hand is still better
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): no, not due to climate change
[2013/05/21 16:31]  ArtCrash Exonar: ok global warming then… haha
[2013/05/21 16:31]  Second Life: Ari (arisia.vita) is offline.
[2013/05/21 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: or global cooling 🙂
[2013/05/21 16:32]  Extropia DaSilva: terabyte memory in a space the size of a postage stamp! Flexible clear screens you can roll up! Robot cars! Truly photorealistic videogame graphics! The Internet evolved into an exo-cortex!
[2013/05/21 16:32]  Zobeid Zuma: We’ve already had the backlash against technology, that began in the 1960s. I hope it’ll run its course soon. 😛
[2013/05/21 16:32]  Seren (serendipity.seraph): or gw. even the worse projections don’t get you there so easily that quickly
[2013/05/21 16:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Okies my time is up!
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