Thinkers May 14 2013: 3d printed weapons

Peer Infinity and Zobeid Zuma at Thinkers

Peer Infinity and Zobeid Zuma at Thinkers

Extropia DaSilva: welcome to Thinkers!
[2013/05/14 15:32]  Deebs (deebrane.string): If so, Extee, I am bad too.
[2013/05/14 15:32]  Deebs (deebrane.string): /me waves at Scarp
[2013/05/14 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Especially my old friends Deebs and Peer..
[2013/05/14 15:32]  Deebs (deebrane.string): *smiles*
[2013/05/14 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Today the topic for discussion is…
[2013/05/14 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Were the creators of the world’s first 3D printed gun right to make its CAD file freely available online?
[2013/05/14 15:32]  observer (sl4observer.lane): bye
[2013/05/14 15:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: bye, lol
[2013/05/14 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: quitter!
[2013/05/14 15:32]  Second Life: observer (sl4observer.lane) is offline.
[2013/05/14 15:33]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Quitting just after the topic was announced’?
[2013/05/14 15:33]  Zobeid Zuma: I say yes. There is no problem with this.
[2013/05/14 15:33]  Beloved Valencia: I think right or wrong is the wrong question
[2013/05/14 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: It is OK, I have a feeling a part of Sl4 remains with us.
[2013/05/14 15:33]  Beloved Valencia: responsible or not may be more fitting
[2013/05/14 15:34]  Beloved Valencia: I don’t think they are wrong for providing it
[2013/05/14 15:34]  Cryptic Hak: I agree w/Beloved
[2013/05/14 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I have this question since last week…. does the gun *work* or not? There are plenty of 3D printing materials out there. Is any of it able to handle a gun firing?
[2013/05/14 15:34]  Morrow Hazlitt: by making the gun available so early in the development of the technology, it forces us to consider such issues right in the beginning, which is a good thing
[2013/05/14 15:34]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Gwyn, I’ve been reliably informed that it works quite well.
[2013/05/14 15:34]  Cryptic Hak: Perhaps we can assume for the sake of argument that the gun works
[2013/05/14 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes this gun works. They demonstrated it firing bullets.
[2013/05/14 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: It sort-of works.
[2013/05/14 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I looked up a few suppliers, and none of them had any “gun-grade” material, Deebs. The question was just where do people get the required stuff?
[2013/05/14 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, Cryptic, I see what you mean. So we should assume that there is a difference if the gun works or not — I tend to agree with that
[2013/05/14 15:35]  Scarp Godenot: So you print out the parts and assemble it, right?
[2013/05/14 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Because, well, if it doesn’t work, and you can’t get the required material anyway, it’s a moot discussion 🙂
[2013/05/14 15:35]  Zobeid Zuma: This file is simply instructions to manufacture gun parts. Blueprints. These have always been legal to distribute. Why does it become different now?
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Beloved Valencia: bingo Zobeid
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Because anybody can print out a gun?
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right, Zo. I’m assuming most guns are patented. So all the blueprints are public.
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Cryptic Hak: It might be actually more appropriate to ask if it is ‘right’ to make 3d prionters available.
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Cryptic Hak: and printers too
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Zobeid Zuma: You can buy an entire book on how to make a submachinegun in a home workshop. That’s been available for many years.
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Gwyneth, lots of very effective ones are not patented.
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Hello Luisa
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: whispers: hi luisa!
[2013/05/14 15:36]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): helloes!
[2013/05/14 15:36]  Morrow Hazlitt: a harder question, is whether we should try to enforce existing gun laws, such as requiring background checks, on people using their printers to make them
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Second Life: observer (sl4observer.lane) is online.
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, but how would one enforce that, Morrow?
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Cryptic Hak: All 3d printers must be sentient to evaluate their users and refuse to print anything that might not be appropriate for them.
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: Whether we should try, or should we just give up? Is that the question? Not even make any effort to enforce them because it’s hopeless?
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: Somehow I don’t see that happening.
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Scarp Godenot: So I have the feeling this is a ‘thin entering wedge’ question that seeks to draw the line. We know that nuclear weapon is on one side of the line and artwork is on the other.
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Morrow Hazlitt: the only way i can think of would be to restrict access to 3d printers to people who we would not want to have guns 🙂 (not a good solution)
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: That is a bit of a tall order, Cryptic.
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Not this week’s tech, fa’ sure.
[2013/05/14 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good point, Scarp — that’s putting the issue in context
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Cryptic Hak: I need a just kidding’ emoticon.
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Cryptic
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Beloved Valencia: I got the joke Cryptic 😉
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: you mean 😉 ?
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Cryptic Hak: yeah but thats so 20th century 😀
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Deebs (deebrane.string): *twinkle*
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: (now I feel old)
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: It’s a slippery slope, darn it! If we don’t allow printing guns, soon Hasbro will be suing everyone who prints a My Little Pony toy! 😛
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Deebs (deebrane.string): (you are NOT old. *smiles*)
[2013/05/14 15:38]  Scarp Godenot: Sl needs to have a pile of those moving gif emoticons for chat usage I’m thinking.
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well of course I’m clueless about US law, but around here, the only issue would be what people do to the gun, and if they were got caught or not doing it 🙂
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Morrow Hazlitt: lol zobeid
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Second Life: Elnyp Dryke is offline.
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Beloved Valencia: I think it’s already been proven that trying to stop/limit technology only leaves whomever is behind the limiting with the knife at the gun fight
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: nooo we have *animated gestures* for that, much more 21st century 😉
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Scarp Godenot: aha
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Gwyn, US law is really a state by state proposition in many respects
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Morrow Hazlitt: but that already happens with people who arrange the components of their hard drive to respresent a copy-righted song
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: isn’t Hasbro doing that already? 😉
[2013/05/14 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: YOu would probably be sued for that before anyone is sued for printing out a fully operational gun.
[2013/05/14 15:40]  Zobeid Zuma: They’ve been pretty lax about it so far, Gwyn. The only time they seem to crack down is when negotiating with licensees.
[2013/05/14 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *nods*
[2013/05/14 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, your point remains valid, Zo. As said, most patented gun blueprints are public already, and have always been so
[2013/05/14 15:40]  Beloved Valencia: I just want to say I just found this group yesterday. It is my first meeting and I like you guys already! I was hoping there was more to SL than just sex clubs and vampires :-p
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: I mean for example… They stopped a fan-made comic so they could sell a license to IDW. They only started taking down YouTube videos when their Chinese licensee demanded it, etc.
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Beloved 🙂 Welcome! We’ve been around March 2004, and we have occasionally dabbled in sex and clubs too… 🙂
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Deebs (deebrane.string): /me looks at Val and smiles…
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Scarp Godenot: I think the line that WILL be drawn in the future is: if the item is legal, then it is ok, if the item is illegal then no go. So the answer will vary with local legal jurisdiction. This of course will not stop black market people. Nothing will.
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: Unlike Disney who have sued child care businesses for having handmade Mickey Mouse artwork on their walls. 😛
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Deebs (deebrane.string): And Gwyn, I can’t claim the past tense. 😉
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think you’re quite right, Scarp
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: But turning a blueprint into a gun takes considerable skill and knowhow. On the other hand, all you need to is push a button to get the 3d printer to manufacture one for you.
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Deebs (deebrane.string): nodnod
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Beloved Valencia: no offense to the vampires out there, mind you. I’m just saying that’s all I get
[2013/05/14 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Deebs
[2013/05/14 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: Not sure how you expect that to work, Scarp.
[2013/05/14 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And the required materials, Extie 😉
[2013/05/14 15:42]  Deebs (deebrane.string): /me smiles and strokes their Registered Companion badge.
[2013/05/14 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: Is the server going to somehow magically keep track of what is legal at each location, and figure out (reliably!) where the person is connecting from, and then determine whether it can send the file or not?
[2013/05/14 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah..it is probably a bit harder than that but one day it should be as easy as printing out a page is today.
[2013/05/14 15:42]  Peer Infinity: /me tries swapping bunnies…
[2013/05/14 15:42]  Scarp Godenot: The ‘printed’ gun is just parts that need assembly as well.
[2013/05/14 15:42]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Extee, the “skilled manufacture” notion for guns isn’t necessarily so. The Sten gun again comes to mind. Simple tools needed, no complex forges
[2013/05/14 15:43]  Beloved Valencia: and here I thought you were a Martian Deebs
[2013/05/14 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: But that is not a fundamental limit, Scarp.
[2013/05/14 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Extie… so what about if the patent office starts demanding that, instead of blueprints, people are required to submit CAD files instead?
[2013/05/14 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: If you are sending out a file, you can’t research the laws in 50,000 different localities first.
[2013/05/14 15:43]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Val, I *am* a Martian — but from a very different Mars.
[2013/05/14 15:43]  Cryptic Hak: are you kidding, the patent office will accept crayon drawings.
[2013/05/14 15:43]  Deebs (deebrane.string): It’s complicated. *grins* DO look me up some time.
[2013/05/14 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: again, the issue would be the origin of that website…
[2013/05/14 15:43]  Beloved Valencia: /me chuckles
[2013/05/14 15:44]  Beloved Valencia: I must now. I am intrigued. I love alternate realities/universe/history type stuff
[2013/05/14 15:44]  Scarp Godenot: Deebs is from fashionable Mars.
[2013/05/14 15:44]  Beloved Valencia: lol Scarp
[2013/05/14 15:44]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Gwyn, I think the real issue becomes the ease of pushing the data around, and what might be attempted on the ‘Net to stop it
[2013/05/14 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: Well, if the origin is in the USA, we do have freedom of speech, and of the press, here. It’s in the Constitution.
[2013/05/14 15:44]  Morrow Hazlitt: well. is there any way that extra legislation could prevent a tragedy involving a printed gun?
[2013/05/14 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, I think that in most European jurisdictions you cannot set up a website like that without a special license, but I might be wrong. Then again, you can always use the same tricks as Wikileaks or The Pirate Bay… 🙂
[2013/05/14 15:44]  Beloved Valencia: hey SL4observer, you wanna get off my head
[2013/05/14 15:44]  Beloved Valencia: ty kindly
[2013/05/14 15:45]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Gwyn — exactly.
[2013/05/14 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right, Zo. So in that case, if that gun blueprint was posted on the US, it’s safe to assume that nothing is wrong
[2013/05/14 15:45]  Deebs (deebrane.string): So… how do authoritarian and anxious ruling bodies try to stop that?
[2013/05/14 15:45]  Zobeid Zuma: Those books about how to make submachineguns? Canada used to stop those at the border. But inside the USA they were protected under the first amendment.
[2013/05/14 15:45]  Cryptic Hak: I think this situation points out how arbitrary ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ can be….which might not be so evident until tech starts to bend boundaries.
[2013/05/14 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Morrow: good question, I’m sure the answer is ‘no’
[2013/05/14 15:45]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Hak, I’m thinking the boundaries are already all but broken
[2013/05/14 15:45]  Beloved Valencia: agreed Cryptic
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Deebs (deebrane.string): but as a digital being, I would, eh?
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ;.)
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Morrow Hazlitt: gwyn – with one expection, outlawing 3d printers altogether, thought i’m not saying we should do that
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Cryptic Hak: I honestly don’t think we have seen anything yet.
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: Tech is always amoral.
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Beloved Valencia: right and wrong are too subjective
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, Morrow, that would be an idea 🙂
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Agreed, Hak.
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Scarp Godenot: Lets look into the far distant possible future when everyone has a home ‘assembler’ aka Star Trek. The only thing stopping crime will be law enforcement, as usual.
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I think it’s too late for that
[2013/05/14 15:46]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): I would like to take the floor for minutes, referencing Major Reginald V. Shepherd, Harold Turpin & Enfield’s
 STEN gun
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sten
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah Cryptic, these 3d printers are still very primitive.
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Cryptic Hak: In the end, Might is Right.
[2013/05/14 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Precisely, Scarp. It’s foolish to ‘demonize’ the Internet
[2013/05/14 15:47]  Cryptic Hak: Sad but True.
[2013/05/14 15:47]  Morrow Hazlitt: the deeper issue that I see being revealed by this is that our justice system is not meant to prevent crime, only to tidy up after it. i think our existing laws suffice to prosecute assaults that are carried out with printed weapons
[2013/05/14 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: Does everyone agree that it is true?
[2013/05/14 15:47]  Zobeid Zuma: /me points –> http://nonadventures.com/2013/01/26/formerly-known-as-printers/
[2013/05/14 15:48]  Zobeid Zuma: Does everyone agree what now?
[2013/05/14 15:48]  Scarp Godenot: Maybe in the future, you will buy your illegal item ‘assembler instruction set’ in a dark alley from a guy with a futuristic trench coat….. heh
[2013/05/14 15:48]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Thank you, Luisa. I’d already mentioned that weapon…
[2013/05/14 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: How do you prevent crime before it happens, unless you live in the Minority Report parallel world? 🙂
[2013/05/14 15:48]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): the type of weapon – in the first homicide in literature, abel killed by cain in the bible they used rocks – doesnt matter, seen from law
[2013/05/14 15:48]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Gwyn — the theory is that the laws will keep people from having the opportunity or resources to commit the crime. Tat Trick Never Works ™.
[2013/05/14 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me grins @ Zo’s comic
[2013/05/14 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: Perhaps if a gang planning a crime stupidly use social networking tools to organize it and their conversation is evesdropped, Gwyn?
[2013/05/14 15:49]  Morrow Hazlitt: gwyn – with increasingly harsher penalties in the hopes of discouraging future crime (doesn’t work)
[2013/05/14 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed, it never works
[2013/05/14 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Extie…. these days, I’ll believe anything like that actually happened
[2013/05/14 15:49]  Scarp Godenot: Law Enforcement doesn’t prevent all crime, it just prevents MOST crime.
[2013/05/14 15:49]  Zobeid Zuma: We should note that the gun demonstrated thus far was wildly impractical. So, we’re a long way from these being able to compete with “real” guns.
[2013/05/14 15:50]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): the only advantage of plastic is getting it into an aircraft
[2013/05/14 15:50]  Zobeid Zuma: Basically they used a $5000 printer to make a zip gun that managed to fire once without blowing up.
[2013/05/14 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah 🙂
[2013/05/14 15:50]  Scarp Godenot: The most popular police gun is made of plastic. The Glock
[2013/05/14 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I was really wondering about the materials used…
[2013/05/14 15:50]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): the Glock gets detected
[2013/05/14 15:50]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): a 100% plastic weapon is not detectable
[2013/05/14 15:50]  Zobeid Zuma: The Glock isn’t exctaly “made of plastic”. It has a lot of steel in it.
[2013/05/14 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: Is it detectable by design, though?
[2013/05/14 15:50]  Scarp Godenot: Just saying plastic guns are common.
[2013/05/14 15:51]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Plastic-ish.
[2013/05/14 15:51]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): cheap 🙂
[2013/05/14 15:51]  Zobeid Zuma: Guns with plastic parts are common. Plastic guns are pretty nearly nonexistent.
[2013/05/14 15:52]  Deebs (deebrane.string): As to the durability of the one that everyone’s talking about, it can fire a lot more than once if you’ll tolerate a smaller round.
[2013/05/14 15:52]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): only in secret services, small numbers
[2013/05/14 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: Still, once 3d printers work as fast as laser printers do today, the ability to obtain a gun just when you need it could come in handy..
[2013/05/14 15:52]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Part of the fun was in ramping up the load to see when it would fail.
[2013/05/14 15:52]  Zobeid Zuma: It wouldn’t last too long… But then, how long does a zip gun need to last?
[2013/05/14 15:52]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): it seems, if one need to, one can allready get a gun .. at the truck store
[2013/05/14 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me understands nothing about guns
[2013/05/14 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: The plastic barrel is the most questionable part.
[2013/05/14 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: People will not sleep with guns under the pillow, but the 3d printer on standbye, maybe with Voice command..
[2013/05/14 15:53]  Cryptic Hak: Kinda scary actually
[2013/05/14 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: ‘Uzi 9 millimetre! Print!
[2013/05/14 15:53]  Cryptic Hak: strange times ….
[2013/05/14 15:53]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Zo, true, but use a carbon fiber printer and things get amusing.
[2013/05/14 15:54]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): Rapid Prototyping currently does solid plastic, should be able to do reinforced ceramic matrix composites. Sleeker barrel.
[2013/05/14 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm. I can only wonder how much it depends on education. Extie, would _you_ print a gun if you could?
[2013/05/14 15:54]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): “cage ’em” (prints quicker)
[2013/05/14 15:54]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Yes, luisa. And this tech will get better, cheaper, faster, sooer
[2013/05/14 15:54]  Zobeid Zuma: Besides which, after a shot or two the rifling (if it had any) will be gone, and then you can be arrested for having a sawed-off shotgun. 😛
[2013/05/14 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: Dunno…Might.
[2013/05/14 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Interesting. And do you know *how* to use a gun?
[2013/05/14 15:55]  Deebs (deebrane.string): FWIW, my atomic would. And E knows how to use one…
[2013/05/14 15:55]  Zobeid Zuma: I’ve seen a 22 rifle with a plastic barrel before, but it did have a steel liner.
[2013/05/14 15:55]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): one end has to point forwards … don’t hold it the other way around
[2013/05/14 15:55]  Scarp Godenot: Why stop with guns, let’s print a shoulder mounted rocket launcher.
[2013/05/14 15:55]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Swords and knives too. Intresting sharing mind space with em.
[2013/05/14 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: No. Fired a great many guns in first-person shooters. But I guess that hardly makes me an expert marksman in that weird reality they call RL.
[2013/05/14 15:55]  Zobeid Zuma: Where you gonna get ammo for that, Scarp?
[2013/05/14 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe luisa … it’s not THAT simple
[2013/05/14 15:55]  Morrow Hazlitt: Assume that there are tangible risks. What are the benefits to having 3d printing technology available to the public? What outweighs the risks?
[2013/05/14 15:56]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Gwyn, it’s not that simple. But it’s a GOOD start. 😉
[2013/05/14 15:56]  Scarp Godenot: People could print their own sex toys without having to shop for them in public places! haha
[2013/05/14 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: My point is just that I’m not so sure that just because guns become readily accessible that everybody will start printing them and shooting people on the streets
[2013/05/14 15:56]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Scarp, I BET those files already exist.
[2013/05/14 15:56]  Second Life: Sylfie Del Vanima (sylfie.minogue) is online.
[2013/05/14 15:56]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): since we get plastered with movies featuring war&violence … they could do merchandising. Get a rocket launcher construction plan, compatible for most printers, along your movie card
[2013/05/14 15:56]  Second Life: Peer Infinity is offline.
[2013/05/14 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol luisa
[2013/05/14 15:56]  Cryptic Hak: I think the more people talk and hype it, the more chances people would actually print a gun and use it. Wag the dog.. .
[2013/05/14 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, a portable electric pulse generator, now THAT’s useful!
[2013/05/14 15:57]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Scary thing is the RPG is probably easier to build with plastic.
[2013/05/14 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: Well, nanosystems promise astonishing levels of recycling and careful management of materials, so 3D printers could eventually be a revolution in manufacturing, really reducing pollution, waste, that kind of thing.
[2013/05/14 15:57]  Scarp Godenot: Sculptors will be hurt because now their one of a kind items will no longer be so.
[2013/05/14 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cryptic, I’m personally not so sure, and I think it depends a lot on culture and education…
[2013/05/14 15:57]  Zobeid Zuma: You can make a rocket launcher with PVC pipe. The rocket is the hard part.
[2013/05/14 15:57]  Cryptic Hak: Maybe, I was thinking of US.
[2013/05/14 15:58]  Deebs (deebrane.string): The problem is the ammo, but with model rocketry supplies ubiquitous, it’s an easy fix in principle.
[2013/05/14 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: But, Scarp, we have millions of reproductions of the Mona Lisa and yet there still really is only one.
[2013/05/14 15:58]  Morrow Hazlitt: good one Extropia. so the consumer market could bring in cash, allowing for research into the technology, which could have other benefits
[2013/05/14 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or Brazil, Cryptic. You can even carry guns in airplanes over there.
[2013/05/14 15:58]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): oooh amunition! did we touched that? the gun design actually is … just like that PVC tube, same level
[2013/05/14 15:58]  Cryptic Hak: Yeah, but I was thinking more of media than gun culture, Gwyn
[2013/05/14 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, ok.
[2013/05/14 15:59]  Cryptic Hak: I mean, news media…
[2013/05/14 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I have to say I’m just 50% convinced that this is “dangerous”
[2013/05/14 15:59]  Zobeid Zuma: These 3D printers are simply a great tool for “makers” of all stripes. It’s a potentially great tool for home workshops, small workshops, prototyping shops. That’s it. So unless you are going to crack down on people having access to tools and workshops, I don’t see what the big deal is.
[2013/05/14 15:59]  Scarp Godenot: Interesting. So with the 3d printer, not only is intellectual property at risk of having no income stream, so would manufacturing of small items be hit.
[2013/05/14 15:59]  Deebs (deebrane.string): As dangerous as a library, Gwyn.
[2013/05/14 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: yeah Morrow. But, also, atomic precision would bring so many benefits to pretty much every area of science and tech that we are bound to R+D it as we strive to improve the capabilities we have.
[2013/05/14 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Deebs!!
[2013/05/14 16:00]  Deebs (deebrane.string): “Arm yourselves!”
[2013/05/14 16:00]  Deebs (deebrane.string): *grin*
[2013/05/14 16:00]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): let’s make all 3D printers forbidden now, by law
[2013/05/14 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: the other 50% tells me that this is just media hype. I mean, the marginal group that really wants a gun and cannot get one will certainl,y love the 3D printer version, but… how many people out there are that desperate to get a gun and cannot have it?
[2013/05/14 16:00]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): byebye future
[2013/05/14 16:00]  Scarp Godenot: Digital printing on an industrial scale would take away manufacturing jobs, I’m thinking.
[2013/05/14 16:00]  Cryptic Hak: Yeah, I agree Gwyn, it’s media hype because they need something to report on
[2013/05/14 16:00]  Beloved Valencia: how manyu ouit there will be able to afford it
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Cryptic Hak: People stirring up shit on a slow news day.
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just for small objects, Scarp
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Valencia? in… 10 years? 9 out of 10 people.
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Zobeid Zuma: By the way… Did you know there’s a guy building his own nuclear fusion research reactor? He’s doing it all openly, with discussion and help from all over the internet. His parts coming off eBay and, surprise surprise, 3D printing!
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Second Life: Lilly (taylor.schroeder) is offline.
[2013/05/14 16:01]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): like MP3 players
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: Right. I remember when a laser printer set you back thousands of dollars.
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Scarp Godenot: Digital printing is the first step that will lead to thinking about nanno assemblers. No?
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Beloved: that’s also the other issue *right now*. A gun is far cheaper than a 3D printer that prints guns for free (minus material costs)
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Cryptic Hak: wtf Zobeid, where does he live ?
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Zobeid Zuma: If this guy has a breakthrough, we could have cheap energy for the world. The world saved (indirectly) by 3D printing!
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: No Scarp we took that first step years ago.
[2013/05/14 16:01]  Deebs (deebrane.string): /me considers a nuclear holiday
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: yes, I’ve seen that! He has a website, right? I’m pretty sure I looked him up
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Cryptic Hak: I think I need to find a spaceship real soon now and gtf off earth
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Morrow Hazlitt: scarp – it would be a natural continuation of the loss of manufaturing jobs due to technology, which has been happening for a long time
[2013/05/14 16:02]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): should be able to get cheap nuclear debris from eBay Japan
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Scarp Godenot: Yes, my first digital photo printer cost me $2000. The far superior quality equivalent is now $100.
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cryptic: if I get you the blueprints, you can print the spaeceship
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Deebs (deebrane.string): @ luisa…. owwwww.
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Cryptic Hak: hahahaha
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me hacks into Virgin Galaxy’s mainframes
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Zobeid Zuma: I don’t have the website in front of me, I’ll see if I can find it.
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Beloved Valencia: lol Gwyn
[2013/05/14 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: YOu do not need a spaceship, Cryptic. YOu are code. We can just email you once we set up a server on some alien world like Mars or wherever.
[2013/05/14 16:03]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Hmmmm. Llewelyn and String, Shadow Brokers.
[2013/05/14 16:03]  Cryptic Hak: yeah Egan would be proud 😀
[2013/05/14 16:03]  Zobeid Zuma: My WWW is not cooperating. 😛
[2013/05/14 16:03]  Deebs (deebrane.string): I’ve got a spare office over in Extropia’s port complex. Gwyn, you in?
[2013/05/14 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: when I saw that website, I thought that if it was a hoax, it was a really elaborate one 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Deebs
[2013/05/14 16:03]  Deebs (deebrane.string): *twinkles*
[2013/05/14 16:03]  Scarp Godenot: This idea of home manufacturing is a long term deep idea. It might even be inevitable. We will have to adjust our economy because of it…
[2013/05/14 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: there is a Planetary Internet, run by NASA. You can ping computers up to Jupiter
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Scarp, I think that’s very possibly the “scariest” thing of all.
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: (Me crosses my legs, uncomfortable about Deeb’s talkling about my port complex)
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m sure it’s no hoax, it’s all based on the same stuff that Dr. Bussard was researching before he died a few years back.
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Deebs (deebrane.string): /me laughs, lovingly, at Extee
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Your namesake island, dear. NOT you.
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Scarp Godenot: Say you need a light switch in the future. You don’t go somewhere and buy it. you go to your home assembler and make it exactly to your specs.
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right, Zo. As said, if we’re talking about the same website, it looks serious enough — lots of pictures showing fine detailed assemblies
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Deebs (deebrane.string): You’re going to confuse poor Valencia here
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: Bussard’s company is still going too, but everything they do is for the US Navy and is all secret.
[2013/05/14 16:05]  Zobeid Zuma: The Navy wants a fusion-powered destroyer. :/
[2013/05/14 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: 😛
[2013/05/14 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: makes sense… running on sea water
[2013/05/14 16:05]  Beloved Valencia: consider me confused lol
[2013/05/14 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: we all are confused 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:05]  Scarp Godenot: Just thought I’d say here “Fusion power is 50 years away”…. heh
[2013/05/14 16:06]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Scarp — again? 😉
[2013/05/14 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: we will adapt. Some businesses will disappear, others will continue to exist. Assembling a car at home, specially if you don’t have a huge garage and lots of tools to glue bits together, will be hard, since 3D printers are not that large
[2013/05/14 16:06]  Scarp Godenot: (fusion power is ALWAYS 50 years away)
[2013/05/14 16:06]  Morrow Hazlitt: once we can print our own solar cells we won’t be so worried about fusion 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:06]  Zobeid Zuma: /me quotes: “Another thing Suppes had going for him was the capability to design and 3D print heat resistant parts in the complex geometry needed for the Polywell device.”
[2013/05/14 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (Scarp: so is AI and household robots)
[2013/05/14 16:07]  Scarp Godenot: Printed solar cells, that is an idea that gets me kind of excited.
[2013/05/14 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh cool Zo
[2013/05/14 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Fusion power is so much more cooler than solar panels 🙂 Why get solar energy, if you can replicate the Sun at home?
[2013/05/14 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me searches for CAD blueprints for singularity engines
[2013/05/14 16:08]  Zobeid Zuma: Yeah, don’t have to worry about cloudy days. 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:08]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Because you need a BIG power closet? 😉
[2013/05/14 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah, that way, you know the ‘sun’ is always available.
[2013/05/14 16:08]  Cryptic Hak: I want to 3D print a dyson sphere
[2013/05/14 16:08]  Scarp Godenot: Fusion power gets the big power companies excited, because then they can monopolize it….
[2013/05/14 16:08]  Deebs (deebrane.string): /me pokes around in eir MArtian archives for arc reactors
[2013/05/14 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: What, 1 to 1 scale, Cryptic?
[2013/05/14 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: YOu will need a lot of plastic.
[2013/05/14 16:09]  Cryptic Hak: well, depends on the original dimensions 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:09]  Cryptic Hak: But yeah, 1 to 1
[2013/05/14 16:09]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): fusion powers looks like a hook for fishing money
[2013/05/14 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: Nooo build a Halo ring!
[2013/05/14 16:09]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Without flood.
[2013/05/14 16:09]  Deebs (deebrane.string): 😉
[2013/05/14 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: I get to be Cortana.
[2013/05/14 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cryptic: it would be a very small one 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:10]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Going to need a little more than plastic for that project
[2013/05/14 16:10]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Extee, there’s an av for that! 😉
[2013/05/14 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: 3d printers do not have to use only plastic.
[2013/05/14 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, you could fuse a bit of helium and hydrogen, get a tiny sun going at home, and build a small Dyson sphere around it … 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:10]  Cryptic Hak: haha Gwyn
[2013/05/14 16:11]  Zobeid Zuma: Polywell reactors are spherical. 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: In fact, I plan to print out a lifesize model of Peer, using chocolate.
[2013/05/14 16:11]  Deebs (deebrane.string): nom nom nom
[2013/05/14 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now THAT’s a much better use for 3D printers!
[2013/05/14 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Who wants plastic?? Chocolate is much nicer 😉
[2013/05/14 16:11]  Scarp Godenot: Watch out, chocolate bunnies are in grave danger of losing their heads quickly.
[2013/05/14 16:12]  Cryptic Hak: lol
[2013/05/14 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[2013/05/14 16:12]  Deebs (deebrane.string): /me contemplates a half dozen comments… and valiantly shushes
[2013/05/14 16:12]  Cryptic Hak: Say it Deebs!
[2013/05/14 16:12]  Deebs (deebrane.string): /me looks innocent.
[2013/05/14 16:12]  Deebs (deebrane.string): /me failz.
[2013/05/14 16:12]  Cryptic Hak: YOu know you want to
[2013/05/14 16:13]  observer (sl4observer.lane): 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, Zo, I guess your point is… who is worried with printing semi-functional guns at home, when fusion reactors are way more interesting, and potentially just a tiny little bit more dangerous?
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Deebs (deebrane.string): *chuckles* Companions have heard THAT no few times, Hak – heart.
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Scarp Godenot: future printers would use all sorts of interesting materials, such as carbon fibers or bucky balls
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Cryptic Hak: haha
[2013/05/14 16:13]  observer (sl4observer.lane): hehe, I would print out a 3d model of me too 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: in chocolate? 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:13]  observer (sl4observer.lane): sure 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: whispers: Yummers!
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Second Life: Zobeid Zuma is offline.
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Morrow Hazlitt: I’m definitely less okay with people printing fusion reactors than I am with them printing guns 😛
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Beloved Valencia: /me chuckles
[2013/05/14 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Morrow: see, I would agree with you 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:13]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): oh there was an SL service for camming/printing avatar models
[2013/05/14 16:14]  Second Life: Zobeid Zuma is online.
[2013/05/14 16:14]  Cryptic Hak: oh yeah I remember that
[2013/05/14 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: there was, yes, luisa. I still have this plan of 3D-printing my avatar at a local academic printer, just costs a few Euros
[2013/05/14 16:14]  Deebs (deebrane.string): wb Zo!
[2013/05/14 16:14]  Zobeid Zuma: le sigh….
[2013/05/14 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: yeah wb!
[2013/05/14 16:14]  Scarp Godenot: I would love to 3d print some of my sl sculptures.
[2013/05/14 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: wb Zo. We were thinking about how it’s so much more interesting to print one’s own fusion reactor at home instead of crippled, semi-functional guns
[2013/05/14 16:15]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): a model of Zob would have be printed out of mist, I’m afraid
[2013/05/14 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha luisa
[2013/05/14 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: Is it not beyond a 3D printer’s capability to print out a fusion reactor, though?
[2013/05/14 16:15]  Scarp Godenot: In that case she will be mist…
[2013/05/14 16:15]  Zobeid Zuma: I think it says something about our culture that the gun is front-page news and few have heard about the fusion reactor.
[2013/05/14 16:16]  Cryptic Hak: Yeah.
[2013/05/14 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You’re right, Zo
[2013/05/14 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: allegedly, no
[2013/05/14 16:16]  Scarp Godenot: fusion reactors aren’t seriously possible yet. That is why it isn’t considered.
[2013/05/14 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s like worrying that your kids get access to matches, but freely giving them access to that flamethrower in the garage…
[2013/05/14 16:17]  Zobeid Zuma: Flamethrowers aren’t restricted in the US, by the way. 😀
[2013/05/14 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Scarp, read the link Zo has posted
[2013/05/14 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: I guess it should be possible. I mean, anything that conventional manufacturing could produce should be producable by a 3d printer.
[2013/05/14 16:17]  Morrow Hazlitt: perhaps a real concern would be how to handle the recycling of tons of plastic junk, which people thought was cool when they printed it, then immediately no longer wanted
[2013/05/14 16:17]  Beloved Valencia: interesting Morrow
[2013/05/14 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well yes and no, Extie, some assembly might be required
[2013/05/14 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: Morrow, some of the latest 3D printers can fully recycle what they manuyfacture.
[2013/05/14 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Morrow, *excellent point*
[2013/05/14 16:18]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): material hardening processes could be applied post-printing. Oven bake etc
[2013/05/14 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That sounds sensible, Extie
[2013/05/14 16:18]  Morrow Hazlitt: Extropia, I wasn’t aware of that, very cool 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: I demand Lucasfilm release the CAD files for every Star Wars figurine. But proper Star Wars none of that episode 1-3 garbage.
[2013/05/14 16:19]  Cryptic Hak: Except jarjar
[2013/05/14 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ‘demand’? 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes. I here and now demand it.
[2013/05/14 16:20]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Gwyn: Demand is fan-speak for PLEASE???
[2013/05/14 16:20]  Deebs (deebrane.string): 😉
[2013/05/14 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: At least you can get the Blender files for all Big Buck Bunny characters — http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/
[2013/05/14 16:20]  Deebs (deebrane.string): laughing
[2013/05/14 16:20]  Second Life: Zobeid Zuma is offline.
[2013/05/14 16:21]  Scarp Godenot: OK I read the ‘fusion reactor article’ if that was actually real it would be huge news. I’m skeptical in the extreme.
[2013/05/14 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok so we all done for this topic?
[2013/05/14 16:21]  Cryptic Hak: I’m just wondering what will happen when 3d printing and teledildonics collide
[2013/05/14 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, we could only conclude that the only way to prevent guns from being printed is to forbid 3D printers
[2013/05/14 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: and that is not going to happen
[2013/05/14 16:21]  Second Life: Zobeid Zuma is online.
[2013/05/14 16:22]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Hak, your choice of verb is provocative.
[2013/05/14 16:22]  Deebs (deebrane.string): 😉
[2013/05/14 16:22]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): Cryptic: you could print out your lover … in small scale
[2013/05/14 16:22]  Cryptic Hak: oh reminds me of the song…collide
[2013/05/14 16:22]  Zobeid Zuma: WHAT am I doing wrong here? 😦
[2013/05/14 16:22]  Cryptic Hak: get naked and collide
[2013/05/14 16:22]  Scarp Godenot: I like thinking about the end of manufactuing of simple products. That might come sooner than one might think.
[2013/05/14 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: poor Zo
[2013/05/14 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree to a degree, Scarp. It will happen when printing a light switch is cheaper than printing a letter on a piece of paper
[2013/05/14 16:23]  Scarp Godenot: I need to buy a hose conncector for my garden hose. If I could make that quickly and cheaply that would be a big deal.
[2013/05/14 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It will be interesting to figure out how you can know which designs will work and which will not 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:24]  Morrow Hazlitt: it will always be cheaper to buy a hose connector made in bulk. if for no other reason than that the manufacturing company could get the material for a much lower price
[2013/05/14 16:24]  Scarp Godenot: And you could take an alreadly made piece and scan it with a laser device to reproduce it.
[2013/05/14 16:24]  Extropia DaSilva: Maybe 3d printers would be a big deal in developing countries.
[2013/05/14 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, imagine, you get the blueprints for a microwave oven “somewhere out of a Russian site”, print it, turn it on, and blow up your neighbourhood. What will the insurance companies do? 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:25]  Scarp Godenot: Morrow, true in the making of it, but not necessarily true in the distribution part of the problem.
[2013/05/14 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: YOu know, whatever tool you need you can get for next to nothing.
[2013/05/14 16:25]  Morrow Hazlitt: gwyn describes the future of trolling on the internet 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: 5 minutes left!
[2013/05/14 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Morrow .)
[2013/05/14 16:25]  Cryptic Hak: I think there are some limitations based on the amount of force/stress that a printed object can withstand
[2013/05/14 16:25]  Cryptic Hak: so might be hard to make pliers, for example
[2013/05/14 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually the gun CAD file shows that already. Sure, it’s a gun. But it blows up after the first shot. So was it worth printing it in the first place?
[2013/05/14 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: Sounds like it is as likely to kill its user as its intended target.
[2013/05/14 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: mm hmm´
[2013/05/14 16:26]  Zobeid Zuma: Incidentally….
[2013/05/14 16:27]  Scarp Godenot: Given that this process is very primitive. But we can see the future will produce devices that are sophisticated. We can see this tech in our near futures. Think about the tech of a hundred years from now….. hmmmmmmm
[2013/05/14 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: Stil, put ACME on its side and I bet Wile E Coyote would use it.
[2013/05/14 16:27]  Deebs (deebrane.string): snicker
[2013/05/14 16:27]  Zobeid Zuma: More interesting in some ways than the zip gun were the 3D-printed AR-15 magazines and the printed AR-15 lower receiver.
[2013/05/14 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And the same will happen with the first batch of complex electric devices that happen to be produced at home. I wouldn’t trust a fridge built from parts done from a Collada file stored on Google Warehouse .)
[2013/05/14 16:27]  Zobeid Zuma: Those were a lot more successful in practical terms.
[2013/05/14 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What’s “AR-15”?
[2013/05/14 16:28]  Scarp Godenot: Hom silicon fabricator: build any chip you want at the touch of a button!
[2013/05/14 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: 100 years? That is, like, 20,000 years of progress if Kurzweil and his double exponential progress is to be believed.
[2013/05/14 16:28]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): could use a custom cumputer case printout
[2013/05/14 16:28]  Deebs (deebrane.string): Gwyn, the civilian version of the US army’s current battle rifle.
[2013/05/14 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, ok
[2013/05/14 16:28]  Zobeid Zuma: That’s the most popular rifle design in the USA, Gwyn. The Army’s M16 is based on it.
[2013/05/14 16:28]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): oh Scarp those are called field programmed gate arrays, FPGAs
[2013/05/14 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, M16 rings a bell 🙂
[2013/05/14 16:28]  Morrow Hazlitt: one thing that manufactured goods could do to give themselves an edge is provide service contracts, and actually make products that last. noone will service your printed fridge for you. this is kind of analogous to how “free” software companies make money
[2013/05/14 16:28]  Beloved Valencia: ooo Kurzweil! I just read his Singularity book last year. He has interesting predictions
[2013/05/14 16:29]  Zobeid Zuma: And the lower receiver is the restricted part, that is legally considered a “gun”. If you can print that, you can buy the rest of the parts by mail-order and put it together.
[2013/05/14 16:29]  Beloved Valencia: though, like most futurists, I believe his timelines are a bit optimistic
[2013/05/14 16:29]  Scarp Godenot: The sci fi book I’m writing takes place a million years in the future. It is interesting to speculate on what people would need to know for living vs what they need to know now.
[2013/05/14 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: Most of his predictions for 2009 came true, so we shall have to see how he gets on in 2019.
[2013/05/14 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good point, Morrow. And the same goes for most complex devices actually. I mean, I see people printing their own tableware, but not their hard disks….
[2013/05/14 16:29]  Second Life: Xa Marlin is offline.
[2013/05/14 16:30]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): while digging insurgent weapon manufactorings, resulting in those zillions of STEN guns .. recognized that dezentralized manufactoring makes an end on standard parts.
[2013/05/14 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me would love to print her own clothes
[2013/05/14 16:30]  Scarp Godenot: How would one survive if they lost their shell of technology.
[2013/05/14 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *nods* @ luisa — gthat too
[2013/05/14 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Impossible, Scarp.
[2013/05/14 16:30]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): it will be hard to find two items of the same design in a prototyping future. they’ll all differ
[2013/05/14 16:30]  Cryptic Hak: Curls up in the fetal position at the very thought
[2013/05/14 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: People need tech like a fish (mudskipper types apart) need water.
[2013/05/14 16:31]  Extropia DaSilva: OK my time is up!
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