THINKERS NOV 27 2012: SCHOOLING IN THE 21ST CENTURY.

Extropia DaSilva: Welcome to Thinkers!
[2012/11/27 15:31]  Extropia DaSilva: (Look on his blog,Scarp)
[2012/11/27 15:31]  Scarp Godenot: will do
[2012/11/27 15:31]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Scarp.
[2012/11/27 15:31]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Peri, lufpleh
[2012/11/27 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Today the discussion up for um…discussion (should work on this intro) is…
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[2012/11/27 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: What should schooling be like in the 21st century?
[2012/11/27 15:32]  lufpleh Obstreperous: hi Rhia
[2012/11/27 15:32]  Peri Afarensis: Good to meet you
[2012/11/27 15:32]  Peri Afarensis: all
[2012/11/27 15:32]  Scarp Godenot: hi de hi
[2012/11/27 15:32]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, with the internet, homeschooling comes to mind. It exploded as an alternative to the State-run monopoly in the 90’s and oughts.
[2012/11/27 15:33]  Zobeid Zuma: I’ve heard many many people criticize the school system and call it outdated and oppressive and a train wreck, etc, etc., but they often seem very unclear about exactly what’s wrong or what they think it should look like instead. :/
[2012/11/27 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: homeschooling..
[2012/11/27 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: I know of one system, Zo..
[2012/11/27 15:34]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, well, it should look like a decentralized network of parents and private schools. That’s pretty clear to me.
[2012/11/27 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: The idea is, that instead of lessons in school and homework in evening, the children watch lessons on tablets at home, and during schooltime the teacher coaches them in areas they are lagging.
[2012/11/27 15:34]  Scarp Godenot: Homeschooling is usually practiced by those who want to limit access to information from non approved sources. So it has a bad reputation.
[2012/11/27 15:34]  lufpleh Obstreperous: think the edu establishments habve been suprised by the numebr of people signing up to online courses at Mit, berkely etc
[2012/11/27 15:35]  lufpleh Obstreperous: popularity of Khan academy is amazing
[2012/11/27 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: what about the Kahn Academy, anybody know nything about that?
[2012/11/27 15:35]  Scarp Godenot: That is an interesting approach Extie
[2012/11/27 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh, Luf mentioned it..
[2012/11/27 15:35]  Zobeid Zuma: Indoctrination all too often creeps into the school system…
[2012/11/27 15:35]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, actually that’s projection. The homeschoolers I”ve taught want their kids exposed to all points of view, the official as well as their own; they take their kids out of school because in the State run school, only the official doctrines are taught
[2012/11/27 15:36]  lufpleh Obstreperous: basically alot of video turotials, bite size 10 minute segments
[2012/11/27 15:36]  Scarp Godenot: It’s not projection, it is the staple or religious bigots worldwidee.
[2012/11/27 15:36]  Scarp Godenot: of
[2012/11/27 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: I hear that teachers will eventually become more like mentors, with teaching left to smart software and robots. But then, in my world, everything is done by robots:)
[2012/11/27 15:36]  lufpleh Obstreperous: learn at youyr own pace and lesuire
[2012/11/27 15:36]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): bigot=heretic
[2012/11/27 15:36]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, you see that’s one of the reasons I support homeschoolers; when your views are out of the mainstream, you are called “a bigot.”
[2012/11/27 15:37]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, that’s my view too; with online learning, the students can be more and more self directed
[2012/11/27 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: I went to the public school, where I was taught that dinosaurs and humans lived together five thousand years ago! 😛
[2012/11/27 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: Gosh, what school was that?
[2012/11/27 15:37]  Peri Afarensis: A public school!
[2012/11/27 15:37]  Scarp Godenot: haha, you can pretend all you want. Virtually all of the homeschooled I know of were being ‘protected’ from mainstream culture by their parents.
[2012/11/27 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: In Texas, of course.
[2012/11/27 15:37]  lufpleh Obstreperous: I cant see a future for brick buildings as schools for older teenagers
[2012/11/27 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: did you tell your teachers that, if contintental drift runs at the rate fingernails grow and the earth if 6,000 years old, we should be able to step over to Africa from America, cuz they would be inches apart?
[2012/11/27 15:38]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Oh, I *love* it when a proponent of a view dissolves into informal fallacies to protect his view–instead of arguing, you say “you can pretend all you want.” So any view *other* that yours is clearly wrong. Love it when it’s *that* transparent.
[2012/11/27 15:38]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, well assuing the principle of uniformity and that time intervals were the same back then, sure.
[2012/11/27 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: I didn’t say anything, that teacher was scary. She had a crazy look in her eyes.
[2012/11/27 15:39]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, Rosalyn had a teacher like that–her lessons came from the National Inquirer, showed Chinese as demons–and this was in a public, i.e., State-run, school.
[2012/11/27 15:39]  Scarp Godenot: Do you deny that the religious home school for the reasons I mention?
[2012/11/27 15:39]  Peri Afarensis: Teaching can do that to you
[2012/11/27 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: I think we should assume young earth creationism is wrong and move one:)
[2012/11/27 15:40]  Scarp Godenot: haha
[2012/11/27 15:40]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): “The religious homeschooler?” Oh, there must be only one, not a diversity. Haven’t met that person.
[2012/11/27 15:40]  Scarp Godenot: straw man
[2012/11/27 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: Would home schooling make you susceptible to the bubble? You know, information enforcing a particular POV?
[2012/11/27 15:41]  Scarp Godenot: It does just that.
[2012/11/27 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: Or would it open you up to a more diverse education?
[2012/11/27 15:41]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): OK, you want something else, Scarp. It’s simple. There is no uniformity among homeschoolers. There are liberals (gasp) as well as conservatives. The ones I’ve met want their students to pass tests and expose them to all sorts of beliefs. And it was you who lumped them all into “the homeschoolers.”
[2012/11/27 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: I guess it depends on who your home teacher is.
[2012/11/27 15:42]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Homeschooling was big in the sixties among hiippies.
[2012/11/27 15:42]  Scarp Godenot: Very few parents have the diversity of knowledge to homeschool their children in any but a basic way.
[2012/11/27 15:42]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, that’s often true; I made a good living because of that.
[2012/11/27 15:43]  lufpleh Obstreperous: dont think in future it will be the parents doing the home scooling, the classes will come from thinks like https://www.edx.org/
[2012/11/27 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: Is that a problem with the Internet? I can imagine people giving some spare time to teach. Like, I heard grannies in the west use the web to teach english to students in India.
[2012/11/27 15:43]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): So in an era of the internet, when students can be at home and get college credits from universities, we should stay in brick and mortar so as to make sure *everyone* agrees, dogmatically with evolution?
[2012/11/27 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me is always late
[2012/11/27 15:43]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, yes, the internet has made tutors available from all over the globe
[2012/11/27 15:43]  lufpleh Obstreperous: hi gwyn
[2012/11/27 15:43]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Gwyn!
[2012/11/27 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me blames everything on KurzweilAI
[2012/11/27 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: and hi all
[2012/11/27 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: Hi Gwyn!
[2012/11/27 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: In my school, latecomers get to write lines, like Bart always does at the beginning of Simpsons.
[2012/11/27 15:44]  Scarp Godenot: I’m not defining homeschooling as internet curricula learned at home. I’m defining it as the control of information by the parents.
[2012/11/27 15:44]  lufpleh Obstreperous: some of the Edx courses have had over 100, 000 applicants tautgh by a handful of teachers, thats cost effective
[2012/11/27 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oooh today is the education at home topic?
[2012/11/27 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: so anyway, Gwynie, we are discussing…What should schooling be like in the 21st century?
[2012/11/27 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Brain implants!
[2012/11/27 15:44]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): So you are against parental control of education, then? (Your own words, not a strawman).
[2012/11/27 15:45]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Bureaucratic control–so much better.
[2012/11/27 15:45]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Or School Boards.
[2012/11/27 15:45]  Scarp Godenot: a deliberate misrepresentation, however.
[2012/11/27 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: ‘I know kung fu’.
[2012/11/27 15:45]  Zobeid Zuma: I don’t see how that’s a misinterpretation… What *are* you getting at, Scarp?
[2012/11/27 15:45]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, that’s what I’m talking about. Parental control vs. bureaucratic (STate) control.
[2012/11/27 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think I made my point last week at the end, so, because it’s polemic, I will repeat it here: get back to school in the 19th century! We produced lots of genius that way in the early 20th.
[2012/11/27 15:46]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m not sure about that, Gwyn.
[2012/11/27 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m pretty sure that Einstein, Pauli, et al are geniuses
[2012/11/27 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: 😀
[2012/11/27 15:46]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, yes, by drop outs like Edison. lol
[2012/11/27 15:46]  Zobeid Zuma: We produced some, there are always some who will teach themselves if they have to, but I’m not sure if the masses did so well with that system.
[2012/11/27 15:46]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): or Einstein.
[2012/11/27 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exceptions don’t make the rule! Also, what would Edison be without Tesla? ㋡
[2012/11/27 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: It is not too hard to find articles bewailing the state of education today, and how our kids would never hope to pass the exams set for 19th century students.
[2012/11/27 15:46]  lufpleh Obstreperous: no way asmalll bricks & motar school wll be able to provide the variety of knowledge thats available tomorrow
[2012/11/27 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Masses? Pfft on the masses
[2012/11/27 15:47]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): luf, or even today. INcreasingly there’s linked up
[2012/11/27 15:47]  Zobeid Zuma: Yes, today’s kids are woefully deficient in their studies of Greek and Latin, and they can’t quote Aristotle worth a damn! For shame!
[2012/11/27 15:47]  lufpleh Obstreperous: and how are they linked
[2012/11/27 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: 19th century exams? Ha! I got last week a grammar school final exam from 1966. I would barely pass that.
[2012/11/27 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: But is there something bricks and mortar schools can provide that an Internet based education cannot? Like interaction with actual people?
[2012/11/27 15:47]  Scarp Godenot: Public education is the reason that the classes aren’t even more stratified than they are.
[2012/11/27 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uh, aren’t we interacting with actual people via the Internet right now?
[2012/11/27 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me feels she’s dropped in a meeting of ‘bots
[2012/11/27 15:48]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, well, I don’t know. There’s bullying in both arenas. lol
[2012/11/27 15:48]  Peri Afarensis: Are we real?
[2012/11/27 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: Minimally, yes.
[2012/11/27 15:48]  Scarp Godenot: I certify my reality here.
[2012/11/27 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m sure I’m not real. Then again, nobody else does, so that’s all right 🙂
[2012/11/27 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *is
[2012/11/27 15:48]  lufpleh Obstreperous: aggree, Ex, think bricks & mortar will still be used for pre-teens, but older teenagers will spend only a small part of the week at a bricks & mortar school
[2012/11/27 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me is fine with bricks & mortar so long as they’re *thrown* at unruly kids.
[2012/11/27 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Electroshocks.
[2012/11/27 15:49]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, are you serious? State run schools track people–like into the military or welfare, feed middle class kids into the corporations, and what is the most inadequate thing in the ghettos? The TV’s? The luxury cars? Or the public schools?
[2012/11/27 15:49]  Scarp Godenot: Talking about future education: writing will probably not be necessary. As talking to a device will produce writing.
[2012/11/27 15:49]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): We define our classes through the public school system
[2012/11/27 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: eek Scarp
[2012/11/27 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes we are real but SL leaves out a lot of body language, facial expressions, so it is a poor replacement for real life interaction. There is some concern that children are sorely lacking in social skills due to the predominance of screens in their life.
[2012/11/27 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have a better idea! Why we just let kids at school watch TV? They don’t need any more skills than operating a remote control after all.
[2012/11/27 15:50]  Zobeid Zuma: School funding has been a huge issue here in Texas, by the way. It’s all done by property taxes, so the places with high property values have better schools… the other places… not so good.
[2012/11/27 15:50]  Scarp Godenot: Of course we will all need a gamer interface class… heh
[2012/11/27 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: while I’d say that they watch too much TV.
[2012/11/27 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: Scarp brings up a good point. The three Rs are seen as the absolute essentials of education. But should they remain so, or are other skills more necessary now, or soon to be?
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Zobeid Zuma: And of course, teacher pay is another problem. If you give them peanuts, you don’t attract the best to teaching.
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, didn’t the Texas School Board recently take out something in the curriculum that caused controversy? I forget what it was
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What are the three Rs?
[2012/11/27 15:51]  lufpleh Obstreperous: think rithmatic is going to be even more critical in future of informnation
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Scarp Godenot: Rithmetic
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Scarp Godenot: haha
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Scarp Godenot: riting
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: Writing, maths, and….um…
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: reading
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Proper spelling? 🙂
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, I agree with Paul Goodman–education should be geared to the individual student. Student directed education. Some people won’t read or write, but they will get the schools they think they need
[2012/11/27 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, reading starts with an R.
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Scarp Godenot: one of 3
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Reading, ‘riting, ‘rithmetic. Taught to the beat of a hickory stick
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah, only one that does.
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m ok with the stick.
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Carrots are nice, too.
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: hello TR:)
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You can stick them in many places 😉
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi TR!
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Scarp Godenot: WAR , Writing Arithmetic and Reading
[2012/11/27 15:52]  TR Amat: Hi
[2012/11/27 15:52]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, the carrot is supposed to be your greater earning potential.
[2012/11/27 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: what is it good for?
[2012/11/27 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh wow. WAR is such a better acronym!
[2012/11/27 15:53]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Good one, Scarp. I like WAR
[2012/11/27 15:53]  TR Amat: So, only training needed is Brain Computer INterface management?
[2012/11/27 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, after they mastered reading, writing, and arithmetic, what is left for them to learn?
[2012/11/27 15:53]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, all the things that reading, writing, and arithmetic prepares them for
[2012/11/27 15:53]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Which is like well, everything.
[2012/11/27 15:53]  Scarp Godenot: That is just freaking sad, Zo….
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But since you cannot cram “everything” into a curriculum,
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: what would be best for them to learn?
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Scarp Godenot: Critical Thinking is number one.\
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed.
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Zobeid Zuma: Keep in mind, when I was going to school in Texas, it was basically about football and cheerleading, with classes as a sort of minor sideline. :/
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oratory, logic, etc. are also fundamental.
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Scarp Godenot: Logical analysis
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Presentation skills.
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Critical thinking skills. Well, that figures. I always thought it peculiar that a State run school, with its emphasis on the official truth, would teach that, anyway.
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Philosophy.
[2012/11/27 15:54]  Scarp Godenot: Writing
[2012/11/27 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: There is one schooling system where the children do whatever they want. Like it encourages them to nurture their strengths.
[2012/11/27 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Creative writing? 🙂
[2012/11/27 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: I pity the poor kids when they reach adult age.
[2012/11/27 15:55]  TR Amat: How about Artificial Intelligence wrangling? 🙂
[2012/11/27 15:55]  Scarp Godenot: Writing for communication of ideas to others
[2012/11/27 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: Hello Luisa..
[2012/11/27 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: well, that would be a subset of ‘logic’
[2012/11/27 15:55]  lufpleh Obstreperous: currently best to learn is a wild guess, in future will be able to tailor learning to future job opportunities
[2012/11/27 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: yes. Precisely
[2012/11/27 15:55]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I recall thinking, as a kid, well, isn’t it odd that a public school system, in a democracy, teaches passivity, obedience to authority, and skills tht the corporations need?
[2012/11/27 15:55]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): helloooos
[2012/11/27 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: the education science freaks all learned Lenin’s Decalogue 🙂
[2012/11/27 15:56]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I mean, a State would, well, want that, wouldn’t it? When I thought that, I said to myself, ‘er, nevermind.’
[2012/11/27 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah, I wonder why that is, Rhi?
[2012/11/27 15:56]  Scarp Godenot: I think learning basic scientific ideas is critical as well. AND understanding that scientific knowledge is always provisional, but also always our best evidence.
[2012/11/27 15:56]  TR Amat: I rember reading a story about a world where all the work was done by genie. Only real training people got was “effective wishing”…
[2012/11/27 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: Provisional?
[2012/11/27 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Because it’s hard to keep a class in silence if you encourage civil disobedience, challenging the teacher, creative thinking, etc.?
[2012/11/27 15:57]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, or a public.
[2012/11/27 15:57]  Scarp Godenot: Provisional means able to be superceded by new evidence.
[2012/11/27 15:57]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeah, but they don’t teach science that way in most schools.
[2012/11/27 15:57]  Scarp Godenot: Unlike religious ideas which are not provisional but dogmatic.
[2012/11/27 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: we should be careful..Yes science is always provisional but some theoris are supported by such a wealth of evidence that they are facts by any sane definition.
[2012/11/27 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: Not true about religion, BTW.
[2012/11/27 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: far, far better than “basic scientific ideas” is History of Science: setting things into context. Why is it important to know that the Earth rotates around the Sun or that chimps and humans have a common ancestor? The best way to explain that at high school level is to proviude a contextual background.
[2012/11/27 15:58]  TR Amat: You get taught a heirarchy of “facts” as science – sometimes the new ones contradict the old ones…
[2012/11/27 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, and this is often confusing.
[2012/11/27 15:58]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I read about a big controversy when a science textbook was being introduced that did–the scientific community was up in arms, people began saying it was a way to sneak religion in. I finally broke down and read the textbook. Aside from one picture of the galaxy and the question “Perhaps all of this was done by a Creator?” it taught science as provisional, as only having theories taht fit the best evidence, etc.
[2012/11/27 15:58]  Scarp Godenot: Actual knowledge is ALWAYS provisional. Because to be considered true it must be subject to current and future forms of evidence.
[2012/11/27 15:59]  TR Amat: History of sciene and technology can also be highly educational…
[2012/11/27 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, I was taught how to do TNT in a lab. Sure, that was fun. But was it important? No. Far better to understand the history behind the concept of atoms and how it evolved.
[2012/11/27 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: No. The new ones have to explain what the old theories explained PLUS explain what was not explained before. Or more of what was not explained.
[2012/11/27 15:59]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): And that’s all it did
[2012/11/27 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scary
[2012/11/27 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: agreed.
[2012/11/27 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: what was your schoolbook, Gwyn? The urban Guerilla’s handbook?
[2012/11/27 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ha!
[2012/11/27 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, I just had awesome teachers haha
[2012/11/27 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: sounds like it:)
[2012/11/27 16:01]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, scary? What about the Boy Scout who, for a merit badge, build himself a nuclear reactor. When his Giger counter showed high levels of radiation, he put it in his trunk and tried to find a disposal of it. The cops stopped him for a minor violation, asked him what was in the trunk, thinking it was drugs–heh, that created a sensation. lol
[2012/11/27 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And it was *demonstrated* in front of the audience how it *explodes*. It was a *practical* class.
[2012/11/27 16:01]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): trinitrates, holy trinity!
[2012/11/27 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh wow, Rhi
[2012/11/27 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I love that!
[2012/11/27 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “Oh I just have a portable nuclear reactor in my backpack, officer — no drugs”
[2012/11/27 16:01]  TR Amat: Fun chemistr classes about how to make explosives – the joy of Ammonium Tri-iodide…
[2012/11/27 16:01]  Scarp Godenot: BTW, the word Theory is not understood by many. Theory does not denote a guess, Most people mistake the concept hypothesis for the concept of Theory. Theory is our highest form of knowledge. That with the most uncontradicted evidence.
[2012/11/27 16:01]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I think they outlawed owning an unlicensed nuclear reactor after that. I might be thinking of machine guns, though
[2012/11/27 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: Michio Kaku built a particle accelerator out of chicken wire and other stuff. Every time he used it he blew the fuses in his mom’s house. This was when he was a kid, btw.
[2012/11/27 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: we just stopped at TNT. The extra-curricular copurse was about how to make beer.
[2012/11/27 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (seriously)
[2012/11/27 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: LOL
[2012/11/27 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: now THAT’s hacking!
[2012/11/27 16:02]  Scarp Godenot: I’m doubting the nuclear reactor story btw, It isn’t that easy to make a reactor.
[2012/11/27 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s all on the Internet!
[2012/11/27 16:03]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, good that you are skeptical, but it did happen. Google “The Nuclear Boy Scout.”
[2012/11/27 16:03]  Scarp Godenot: heh
[2012/11/27 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: Scarp, the Oxford dictionary gives two definitions of ‘theory’, and the one you are referring to is the scientific definition, quite different from everyday theory.
[2012/11/27 16:03]  TR Amat: Making beer and bread is good chemistry.
[2012/11/27 16:03]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): He got pitchblend from some ordinary source and filtered out the uranium.
[2012/11/27 16:03]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): I believe the brewing story 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: but anyway, we are not supposed to be discussing what theory is.
[2012/11/27 16:04]  Scarp Godenot: haha
[2012/11/27 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: We *did* ask our biology teacher if he could teach us how to replicate DNA, but he said that was a bit beyond our skills…
[2012/11/27 16:04]  TR Amat: I remember a childrens library book that told you how to build a geiger counter…
[2012/11/27 16:04]  lufpleh Obstreperous: /me thinks the reactor story is actually an eposide of Big Bang
[2012/11/27 16:04]  Scarp Godenot: OK, so future schooling will be more internet interface related we can probably all agree?
[2012/11/27 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: Although we could discuss whether intelligent design should be taught along with evolution..
[2012/11/27 16:05]  Zobeid Zuma: Chemistry kits have almost disappeared. The ones you can get now are worthless really.
[2012/11/27 16:05]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, at home, you can access the internet, get guidance from people all over the world, build a nuclear reactor. Whereas centralized school systems not only create a caste system, they take out essential skills. Time to move to decentralized, parent/student controlled education.
[2012/11/27 16:05]  Scarp Godenot: My chemistry set as a kid was dangerous as hell! haha
[2012/11/27 16:05]  TR Amat: Teach effective mobile phone use, and how to stop it trashing your life?
[2012/11/27 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: yes. As in: “run if you read anything about it; better: set the place to fire” 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: welllllll
[2012/11/27 16:05]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): my last meeting with avatars experienced in teaching fields revealed: scholars are reluctant to “engage”. that is, taken Wikipedia: they read, but dont write into it
[2012/11/27 16:05]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): luf, if it was, it was based on the true story.
[2012/11/27 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Back to the Middle Ages, then? ㋡
[2012/11/27 16:05]  Scarp Godenot: The first think I make with my childhood chemistry set was gunpowder. haha
[2012/11/27 16:06]  Scarp Godenot: thing
[2012/11/27 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: of course 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s FUN!
[2012/11/27 16:06]  Zobeid Zuma: I’ve got to admit, the internet is an incredible resource for *motivated* learners who are interested in a subject and want to go out and get the knowledge.
[2012/11/27 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: I think it should be taught. It would only need one lesson from a true expert like Dawkins to explain what it is, why it fails and then move on:)
[2012/11/27 16:06]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeah, now you have to work at getting the ingredients yourself for gunpowder. Sulfar, charcoal, saltpeter. I forget the proportions
[2012/11/27 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes, Zo. But that’s a completely different story. My own theory is that just a tiny fraction of all humans are motivated to learn.
[2012/11/27 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: They are all in Second Life, btw.
[2012/11/27 16:07]  Scarp Godenot: I can see you made it to Rhi! haha
[2012/11/27 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: You could watch that Star Trek episode where Kurk has to battle crock man. remember he had to make a cannot using gunpowder?
[2012/11/27 16:07]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Of course. lol
[2012/11/27 16:07]  lufpleh Obstreperous: /me wonders if this conversation monitored, TNT, gun powder, nuclear reators, wish I’d used a proxy! lol
[2012/11/27 16:07]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): SL creates a bubble, agreeable. You only see a subset
[2012/11/27 16:07]  Zobeid Zuma: It was funny how there were conveniently pure deposites of all the ingredients for gunpowder just laying about.
[2012/11/27 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: (Extie still hopes to see the Morgan/ Prokofy TV debate…)
[2012/11/27 16:08]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I read the formula in an H. Beam Piper story, where a cop gets accidentally sent to a parallel time track, where no America is ruled by a city state that has gunpowder. Of course, he knows the formula…By the time the Time Police get there, he’s already ruling the dimension. lol
[2012/11/27 16:08]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, well, it was filmed in Southern California. lol
[2012/11/27 16:08]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): just mention the Prophet and we might wear orange jumpsuits next week
[2012/11/27 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: Not really, Zo. Kirk was put there by other aliens who wanted to test his enginuity, so they made sure he had the necessary materials.
[2012/11/27 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: but we digress. To star trek which is cool, but still..
[2012/11/27 16:09]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): oh, that’s right, Extie, they said that he had all he needed to win–the other alien was physically superior to him, and his wits made it a fair fight
[2012/11/27 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: Gwyn returns!
[2012/11/27 16:10]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): WB, Gwyn!
[2012/11/27 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh.
[2012/11/27 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-A-Fusion-Reactor/ 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: thought we had lost you to the deep web for a moment, Gwyn.
[2012/11/27 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: almost, but not quite!
[2012/11/27 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: like all them avies in your story:)
[2012/11/27 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: I like the bit where there are millions of me:)
[2012/11/27 16:11]  Scarp Godenot: She was attacked by homeschoolers. She barely made it out alive!
[2012/11/27 16:11]  TR Amat: Sulphur, powdered carbon, potasiium nitrate: 10%, 15%, 75%?
[2012/11/27 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ha! I used to read a few sci-fi stories about that scenario, Scarp!
[2012/11/27 16:11]  Scarp Godenot: Well done TR
[2012/11/27 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: OK well last 20 minutes we can go way out futuristic…
[2012/11/27 16:12]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): http://harpers.org/archive/1998/11/the-radoactive-boy-scout
[2012/11/27 16:12]  TR Amat: Using built-in to SL web browser…
[2012/11/27 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: Gwyn already mentioned brain implants..
[2012/11/27 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahahaha
[2012/11/27 16:12]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): exterior brains, pocketable only, so far
[2012/11/27 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: School sports breaking Olympic records due to kids using powered exoskeletons.
[2012/11/27 16:13]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): just metal spring shoes available now :/
[2012/11/27 16:13]  Scarp Godenot: In the future our brain implants will all be attached to the singularity, which of course will be named Extropia heh
[2012/11/27 16:13]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): That article also talks about the government cover up on it and how the news broke
[2012/11/27 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: Albert Einstein brought back from the dead and teaching quantum gravity.
[2012/11/27 16:13]  Zobeid Zuma: School sports program teaching kids how to use the doping drugs safely and responsibly. 😛
[2012/11/27 16:13]  Scarp Godenot: dogs and cats living together
[2012/11/27 16:13]  TR Amat: Exterior brain = mobile/cell phone?
[2012/11/27 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: It better be. With a statue hewn from solid gold in my image!
[2012/11/27 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Unfortunately, the idea I have of late 21st century schools are rooms crammed full of children with 17 years reciting the multiplication table together, because that’s the amount of information they are able to absorb…
[2012/11/27 16:14]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): as kids we did not built exoskeletons, but we did mounted springs onto our shoes to jump arround on the lawn
[2012/11/27 16:14]  TR Amat: Sorry, Extropia, it will be a virtual gold statue. 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:15]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, well, to modify that scenario–Asimove envisioned a future with mechanical educators that would program your brain with all useful knowledge–but at the expense of freezing your brain patterns, so no creativity. So they had special schools where teachers taught in physical classrooms, made students gain knowledge by rote memorization and reading…
[2012/11/27 16:15]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): To preserve creativity
[2012/11/27 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: Two bitter rival groups, the Exties who insist Extropia is the sole source of all knowledge, and the Gwyns, who insist Gwynther taught be everything I know.
[2012/11/27 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2012/11/27 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *shakes head*
[2012/11/27 16:15]  TR Amat: Will we need special socialisation classes, where children are forced to interact with other children other than through IT?
[2012/11/27 16:16]  Scarp Godenot: Looking back on my education, one of the most valuable things I learned was a high school English class where we memorized hundreds and hundreds of Greek and Latin root words.
[2012/11/27 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “Eeek. Do I have to BREATHE the same air as the other kids? That’s SO *yucky*!”
[2012/11/27 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: Scarp and Art perfectly mimicked by turing bots, teaching art to every person in the world.
[2012/11/27 16:16]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): interacting through IT has it’s very distinctive, own rule pattern
[2012/11/27 16:16]  Scarp Godenot: haha,
[2012/11/27 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp, I agree.
[2012/11/27 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: Gwyn wins nobel prize for both physics AND peace by inventing a cure for lag in SL.
[2012/11/27 16:17]  Zobeid Zuma: That’s an interesting though, TR.
[2012/11/27 16:17]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, I recall when you’d say that to me. ::brushes a tear drop away::
[2012/11/27 16:17]  TR Amat: Yes, I leared a lot of Latin and Greek through etymology…
[2012/11/27 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Rhi
[2012/11/27 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Honestly, I think that after WAR, all that need to be taught is Latin/Greek, oratory skills, presentation skills, critical thinking, history of science, philosophy, and perhaps a smattering of world history, economy, and, most importantly, civil rights.
[2012/11/27 16:18]  lufpleh Obstreperous: at present classes limited to the knowledge of the teacher,, future distributed classses will be led by experts,
[2012/11/27 16:18]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): one of the early cyberspace book featured dead people, stored onto carryable AI computers. They behaved exactly like the real person, but knowed they are 1) not alive 2) limited in their creativity
[2012/11/27 16:18]  Extropia DaSilva: what about the week after, Gwyn?
[2012/11/27 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And perhaps a handful of languages — English, Mandarin, Spanish
[2012/11/27 16:18]  TR Amat: Is the smell of other people important for communication? 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:18]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): luisa, well, that put them a leg up on all the living people, I bet
[2012/11/27 16:18]  Zobeid Zuma: Maybe we’ll need special classes to teach skills like…. attention span… memory…. conversation… all the bits that are degraded by tapping on a tablet-or-phone screen all day. :/
[2012/11/27 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: at the level kids are today, this is a 12-year-course 😛
[2012/11/27 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: perhaps. Yes.
[2012/11/27 16:19]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, oh, you’re talking an 8th grade education?
[2012/11/27 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: At least 😛
[2012/11/27 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes. They say the three effects of too much screen use are memory loss, pain in the finger joints, and memory loss.
[2012/11/27 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m 43 and I’m still at college! Imagine the next generation…
[2012/11/27 16:19]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, I read, in a homsechooler journal, how at one time–that is what a typical 8th grader was supposed to know.
[2012/11/27 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: lol
[2012/11/27 16:20]  TR Amat: Sound beamed straight to your cochleal implant, vision straight to your retinal one…
[2012/11/27 16:20]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Puts in perspective, “My pappy had only an 8th grade education, and look where he is today…” lol
[2012/11/27 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: exactly. It did wonders in our past.
[2012/11/27 16:20]  Extropia DaSilva: 43? Are not! You are…seven, I think?
[2012/11/27 16:20]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): not sure if using touchscreens will unevitably shorten attention spans. It is a so … defensive theroy
[2012/11/27 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh Extie. Time is relative 😉
[2012/11/27 16:20]  Scarp Godenot: If I was king of school curricula, I would make all 15 year olds take a class in critical thinking and skeptical thinking. Maybe also a class in logical fallacies or something…. heh
[2012/11/27 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Not inevitable, but it CAN shorten attention spans.
[2012/11/27 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Most definitely, Scarp, that’s part of oratory
[2012/11/27 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Tablets can be very distracting.
[2012/11/27 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Specially chocolate ones!
[2012/11/27 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: uhuh!
[2012/11/27 16:21]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): It’s part of rhetoric, and dialectic–all part of the quivium, I believe. So yes! Back to the Middle Ages. Most definitely
[2012/11/27 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mm hmm.
[2012/11/27 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly, Rhi.
[2012/11/27 16:22]  TR Amat: Do teachers need a way to direct their pupils use of tablets?
[2012/11/27 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: i saw the middle ages curriculum, and I found it flawless.
[2012/11/27 16:22]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Needs some adjustment, though, Gwyn. We have learned a *little* since then. lol
[2012/11/27 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d just add a few more tidbits — less religion, more critical thinking — and that’s it.
[2012/11/27 16:22]  Scarp Godenot: Judging from what people actually do in the real worlds, at least one course dealing with how to win at Words With Friends/Scrabble…. heh
[2012/11/27 16:22]  Zobeid Zuma: Scarp… For someone who advocates critical thinking, you seem somewhat rigid in your political doctrine.
[2012/11/27 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: you hear that theory that text with hyperlinks are distracting, because every time you see a hyperlink you must decide ro follow it or not?
[2012/11/27 16:22]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, OMG! Who came up with *that* gem?
[2012/11/27 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, “we”, the civilization, yes, we have. But 99% of the people in this civilization doesn’t need to know the basic principles behind splitting the atom
[2012/11/27 16:23]  TR Amat: Is religoion something that should only be taught outside school time?
[2012/11/27 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: I forget who.
[2012/11/27 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s part of “philosophy”.
[2012/11/27 16:23]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, they do if they want to build a nuclear reactor for their science project.
[2012/11/27 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (on the other hand, people like me need more hours of English grammar 😛 )
[2012/11/27 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d scrap the science curriculum, Rhi
[2012/11/27 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s not needed
[2012/11/27 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Instead, they get History of Science and Critical Thinking
[2012/11/27 16:24]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, you want to take that one? lol
[2012/11/27 16:24]  Extropia DaSilva: Awww Gwyn your english is brilliant.
[2012/11/27 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hardly 😛
[2012/11/27 16:24]  TR Amat: I remember Hypercard, a late 1980s hypertext Apple program, before the Web…
[2012/11/27 16:24]  Extropia DaSilva: IS.
[2012/11/27 16:24]  Scarp Godenot: From the point of view of the Alchemist, Science seems rigid as well.
[2012/11/27 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What we get as “science” in the school curriculum is completely worthless
[2012/11/27 16:24]  Scarp Godenot: yes, true
[2012/11/27 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: how so?
[2012/11/27 16:25]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): new ideas prosper when the old fart axiomes do extinct
[2012/11/27 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Who needs to learn calculus, if they’re going to spend their adult life selling cars or serving burgers?
[2012/11/27 16:25]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, yes, but then with a decentralized, student oriented, parent controlled, school system, we would eliminate that.
[2012/11/27 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Instead, good presentation skills are far better
[2012/11/27 16:25]  Scarp Godenot: It is happy facts for kids mostly.
[2012/11/27 16:25]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, you’re just one *small* step from the educational philosophy in Brave New World.
[2012/11/27 16:25]  TR Amat: You need tools to be able to add personal annotations and ‘hooks’ to anything you are taught…
[2012/11/27 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: 5 minutes left folks:)
[2012/11/27 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Why the focus on parent controlled? Parents are the result of terrible education. Why should they know what is better for their kids?
[2012/11/27 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: a very small one, indeed 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:26]  Zobeid Zuma: Ah… Of course, I should have realized Scarp is the scientist, and those who hold different views are the alchemists — or worse, astrologers! 😛
[2012/11/27 16:26]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, well, I agree in part–more student control, but the alternative to the parents is a well-meaning (chokes) bureaucracy
[2012/11/27 16:26]  TR Amat: Should statistics be taght – it seems often abused and misunderstood…
[2012/11/27 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: so is the choice a binary one between home schooling and schooling in bricks and mortar schools?
[2012/11/27 16:26]  Scarp Godenot: I went to my newly rebuilt 20 million dollar local university ‘Natural History Museum’ recently, and what I found was a dumbed down set of displays geared to the average 9 year old child.
[2012/11/27 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Less student control, less parent control, less state control. Give teachers a bit more control and you’ll see the difference it’ll make 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:26]  TR Amat: taught*
[2012/11/27 16:27]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, no, of course not; there can be networks, with students going to churches, community halls, and so forth
[2012/11/27 16:27]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): especially for that potentials statistics belong into the shedule!
[2012/11/27 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: and you thought ‘if only it were geared to 8 year olds, I could understand it!’?
[2012/11/27 16:27]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Un Gwyn, have you seen the Universities lately? lol
[2012/11/27 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: statistics is important to a degree, at least to understand how it’s so easy to lie with them. That would be part of the Presentation Skills course 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: I have!
[2012/11/27 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: I am mean!
[2012/11/27 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe, no you’re special — there is nothing “mean” about you.
[2012/11/27 16:28]  Scarp Godenot: Why can’t museums be for adults as well? I think the idea now is that these type of museums are for kids only.
[2012/11/27 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: OK last three minutes, complete…’schooling in the 21st century should…
[2012/11/27 16:28]  TR Amat: Was a study of ethical system in there, Gwyn? 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Because adults are barely above the 8-year-old mentality? 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:28]  Scarp Godenot: heh
[2012/11/27 16:28]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): there should be exhibits for all age levels
[2012/11/27 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: definitely part of Philosophy.
[2012/11/27 16:28]  Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Be decentralized, use the internet, and be open and diverse.
[2012/11/27 16:28]  Zobeid Zuma: We didn’t get into higher education at all, did we? We could probably have a whole ‘nother topic on that sometime.
[2012/11/27 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Higher education: learning through osmosis.
[2012/11/27 16:29]  TR Amat: Schooling should lern you wot you need, and, a bit, you want. 🙂
[2012/11/27 16:29]  TR Amat: Also, you need to understand meta logic.
[2012/11/27 16:29]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): for “teaching live prepared” you need a design for how that later live should look alike
[2012/11/27 16:29]  Scarp Godenot: Higher education seems to be geared these days to ‘specialized trade school’ to the exclusion of an overall worldview and understanding of multiple subjects….
[2012/11/27 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: I have some doubts about that, actually. The first thing to learn about teh Internet is that it’s full of lies, and has a few scattered facts here and there. The first thing to learn before using the Internet is Critical Thinking…
[2012/11/27 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok my time is up!
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