Thinkers October 16 2012: SL ZONED BY RP THEMES?

Extropia DaSilva: Welcome to Thinkers!
[2012/10/16 15:31]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): paratar Rhia?
[2012/10/16 15:31]  Bryce Galbraith: Hi everybody I can’t see….
[2012/10/16 15:31]  Extropia DaSilva: Today the topic is…
[2012/10/16 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Should SL be zoned by roleplay themes?
[2012/10/16 15:32]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): Hi Bryce 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok so let us have the pros first. Why would it be great if Sl were so zoned?
[2012/10/16 15:32]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): What does “zoned” mean exactly?
[2012/10/16 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: Well I guess it means sims with a clear theme?
[2012/10/16 15:33]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): The pro would be that there would be order; a bureaucracy to enforce that order, and no deviation would be allowed
[2012/10/16 15:33]  Bryce Galbraith: I guess different sims set up specifically for role-play communities?
[2012/10/16 15:33]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Oh, wait a second; that may be the con. lol
[2012/10/16 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: You know, like Extropia Core is clearly a sci fi theme..
[2012/10/16 15:34]  Ari (arisia.vita): brb…
[2012/10/16 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: (KK)
[2012/10/16 15:34]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): ok
[2012/10/16 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m a bit puzzled by what this would actually mean.
[2012/10/16 15:34]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): but what about no rp sims?
[2012/10/16 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Is it fair to call SL a ‘blank slate’?
[2012/10/16 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: RP-oriented areas (which are a relatively small part of SL) already have their own rules.
[2012/10/16 15:34]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): yes Zo
[2012/10/16 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: So… Do you take existing RP sims and move them into special continents? Whouldn’t that just big a big confusing hassle? What’s the gain by it?
[2012/10/16 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh, they could exist too. Some sims would be RP, some would not be, and they would be clearly signposted so you would know what you were getting into.
[2012/10/16 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Would the RP sims not be islands, though?
[2012/10/16 15:35]  Zobeid Zuma: I already find it very apparent when I enter a RP sim. But maybe that’s just because I’m such an oldbie. 😀
[2012/10/16 15:35]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): well if it is just about putting clearer signposts about it I see no problem in it
[2012/10/16 15:36]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I agree Zo
[2012/10/16 15:36]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): normally it’s very clear when you enter a RP sim
[2012/10/16 15:36]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I actually see no point in zoning; either here or in RL; the free market will provide the order in either case. Here, a sim can have it’s own rules; no need to get a “Zoning” for say, Gorean RP.
[2012/10/16 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: yeah, it should be obvious from the description of the sim..
[2012/10/16 15:36]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): If it isn’t, it is, once you get “killed.” lol
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: what about PG mature adult. Is that zoning?
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Arabella
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: Hello Arabella..
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): maybe they are thinking about connecting the different RP sims somehow?
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It is a kind of zoning, I suppose.
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Arabella (nitewater): Hey Rhia
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): Hi Arabella
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Arabella (nitewater): Hi Bela
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Arabella (nitewater): Hi all
[2012/10/16 15:37]  Bryce Galbraith: I guess I don’t quite see what zoning buys you withi.
[2012/10/16 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: It doesn’t really relate to RP as such, though.
[2012/10/16 15:38]  Bryce Galbraith: within SL
[2012/10/16 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: I think maybe the idea is that it would help people find their place and purpose in Sl more easily?
[2012/10/16 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Oh, I thought you knew; it’s a PRT term; the paratar is the self that emerges from the interaction of the PBK and the avatar.
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zoned, irl, means everything in it’s place and a place for everything.
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *plop*
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): You can’t earn a living in the same place that you live, for instance.
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh it is OK. Gwyn can tell us what it all means.
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): thanks Rhia
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: Would a RP-zoned sim not allow stores? But lots of RP sims have stores to sell costumes, etc….
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): Hy Gwyn! 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can? 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): lol
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me is afraid she has few ideas about zoning….
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: Hey Gwyn, what does ‘zoning’ mean? And what gorgeous hair you have!
[2012/10/16 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: And once again, that already seems to be a decision handled well by the sim owners.
[2012/10/16 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww thanks
[2012/10/16 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: when I grow up, I want flaming red hair like yours:)
[2012/10/16 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, “zoning” in urban planning means setting certain areas apart for specific purposes — e.g. residential, commercial, industrial, parks, and so forth
[2012/10/16 15:40]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): yes maybe the zone idea is to put for example all the sci-fi sims or all the Gorean sims together, connect them somehow?
[2012/10/16 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha easily accomplished, I can tell you the shop I got this one from!
[2012/10/16 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me bumps into the lovely Rhi and apologises for her clumsiness
[2012/10/16 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok..so the question is, why has zoning not happened naturally as a conseqence of likeminded people clumping together in sims?
[2012/10/16 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: What would be cool is better and more standardized RP scorekeeping attachments. As it is now, ever sim seems to have its own unique attachment, and none of them are any good because of the limitations of LSL.
[2012/10/16 15:41]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): true Zo
[2012/10/16 15:42]  Bryce Galbraith: yep
[2012/10/16 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie, I have thought a lot about that, and having gone through a complex situation where two “likely-minded” communities actually merged their landmasses for a year and then drifted apart, I just have an explanation for your question: people are very, very reluctant to cooperate beyond a certain scale 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:43]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): yes the problem is every RP sim has different rules and it seems too complicated to learn them all
[2012/10/16 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (Zo: oh YES!)
[2012/10/16 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, yes, it would happen naturally; just like it does in cities without zoning in rl.
[2012/10/16 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: Hello Art:)
[2012/10/16 15:43]  ArtCrash Exonar: I made it! It’s a miracle
[2012/10/16 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, you could have “Gorean” and “non-Gorean” as a start
[2012/10/16 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Art!
[2012/10/16 15:43]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): Hi Art 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:43]  ArtCrash Exonar: hi hi
[2012/10/16 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bela: just like different MMORPGs 🙂 The difference perhaps for Sl residents is that we somehow expect “one world” to mean, “all RPGs here work in the same way”
[2012/10/16 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hiya miraculous Art!
[2012/10/16 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): If there was a need for zoning, that is
[2012/10/16 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: do not speak too soon, you might still crash before you get to your seat. Happened to me a couple of times.
[2012/10/16 15:44]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): true Gwyn but the problem with SL sims is that many of them don’t last long
[2012/10/16 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): My sound is going in and out, but fortunately, that’s only a problem for my alt in a jazz sim where I’m banned.
[2012/10/16 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, there are few RL examples where urban planning was made from the bottom up — in fact, the worst examples of LACK of urban planning come exactly from the cases where people were left to their own devices (and selfishness!). So why should SL be different?
[2012/10/16 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: Griefers would be so jealous of you, Rhi. They dream of being banned from half as many sims;)
[2012/10/16 15:45]  Bryce Galbraith: ah… good point Belabeltz.. by the time zoning is put in place it will probably no longer fit…
[2012/10/16 15:45]  Zobeid Zuma: Here’s the thing… SL has been designed so that location doesn’t really matter much. We teleport everywhere anyhow, right?
[2012/10/16 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, which cases are those? Before they zoned Huston, it happened nat urally, as no one wanted to buy a house next to a factory; stores and malls showed up conveniently located, and upper middle class areas had professionals setting out their shingles
[2012/10/16 15:46]  Zobeid Zuma: You use a LM, you don’t care what neighborhood it’s in.
[2012/10/16 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: yeah. Gwyn, you wrote an opinion piece on how a change to TP would make everything hideous, right?
[2012/10/16 15:46]  Zobeid Zuma: Watch out Extie! My cat is trying to catch your hands when you type!
[2012/10/16 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): The obsolescence of planning is not confined to SL. the Government always knows how to fight the last war or get us out of the last Depression. heh
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[2012/10/16 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: (This was in the old days when a TP took you to a hub and you had to bloody walk miles to where you really wanted to be).
[2012/10/16 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: I did indeed. Was I wrong? 😉
[2012/10/16 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: now thatp’s an example I have never heard of
[2012/10/16 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I was thinking Rio, Mexico City, most cities in India… and pretty much built in Portugal in the 1980s ,)
[2012/10/16 15:48]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): Rhi is right, you need a little more chaos in the US, that’s your problem 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: \+everything built
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn–Huston–it’s very famous among those who oppose urban planning.
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): too many regulations
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Not chaos; spontaneous ordr, Bela
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Heh. Anedoctal evidence that things can be done differently? Oh well, I’ll accept that
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: so any ideas as to why communities get ‘too big’? Why not find an equlibrium?
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): ok Rhia I get it 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I guess we need more Texans in SL, then.
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I’m an anarchist so I agree
[2012/10/16 15:49]  ArtCrash Exonar: tries to catch up
[2012/10/16 15:49]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Communities get “too big” when they are so attractive a lot of people come and the old timers want them out.
[2012/10/16 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: serves you right for being late, Exonar!
[2012/10/16 15:50]  ArtCrash Exonar: /me sobs quitely
[2012/10/16 15:50]  ArtCrash Exonar: quietly too
[2012/10/16 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: (She can get away with it, she is Boss).
[2012/10/16 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, I know — it’s because in SL you cannot shoot people 🙂 (or rather, you can, but they don’t die) Whereas in Houston you could force others to build orderly or else get shot 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aw Art! We’re discussing zoning in SL
[2012/10/16 15:51]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, well, an armed society is a polite one.
[2012/10/16 15:51]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): but the spontaneous order arises from the community, not from the individual, right?
[2012/10/16 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: Maybe we could have our own New Cap city, where if you die your account gets deleted.
[2012/10/16 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: My argument is that it rarely works from the bottom up, because people are simply too selfish. Rhi shows as a counter-example that Texans managed Houston beautifully
[2012/10/16 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (that was to Art)
[2012/10/16 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh.
[2012/10/16 15:52]  Bryce Galbraith: heh… interesting thought there Exti…. on New Cap city…
[2012/10/16 15:52]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): oh no Extie that would be dreadful
[2012/10/16 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I cannot bring anything against that argument, Rhi 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: what rarely works? Zoning?
[2012/10/16 15:52]  ArtCrash Exonar: Well you can’t really zone according to interests because some have multiple interests.
[2012/10/16 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: yes. Like Art said, every individual has their own interests 😀
[2012/10/16 15:52]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m not sure city zoning is even comparable to our subject in terms of RP-zoing. I’m still completely unclear on what RP-zoning would even mean?
[2012/10/16 15:53]  ArtCrash Exonar: Do you put the Gorean artist Indy clubgoer in the art zone, the Gorean Zone or the club zone?
[2012/10/16 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “Warning: on this sim everybody is pretending to be someone they aren’t”? 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2012/10/16 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: Now if you wanted to talk more generally about zoning on the mainland, I could get into that… I have some experience. 😛
[2012/10/16 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, that’s because they used the free market as the way to harmonize “selfish” interests. An invisible hand approach, not a visible hand.
[2012/10/16 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: But in Stevem Levy’s ’emergence’ he gives example after example of zoning happening as an emergent effect of market choices between individuals.
[2012/10/16 15:53]  ArtCrash Exonar: Extie, that person should take a close look at the SL mainland.
[2012/10/16 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): A grass roots attempt at planning might indeed be a problem, if only because it’s consensus driven, and if anyone still believes in consensus with the election going on…
[2012/10/16 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Definitely Steven Levy was never in SL or in Brazil, Portugal, Mexico, or India 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:54]  Zobeid Zuma: My original home in Bolinas was right next door to Acedia’s Store, which was the single worst build — and biggest eyesore — that I ever saw in SL.
[2012/10/16 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps he lives comfortably in Switzerland 🙂 Where you cannot even cough outside the zone you are.
[2012/10/16 15:54]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I’m not sure that “free market” and “harmony” are compatible concepts
[2012/10/16 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good point, Bela! hehe
[2012/10/16 15:54]  ArtCrash Exonar: hahaha Gwyn
[2012/10/16 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Bela, there is no harmony outside the free market.
[2012/10/16 15:55]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): oh yes there is
[2012/10/16 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: I agree, “consensus-driven” is a myth 😉
[2012/10/16 15:55]  ArtCrash Exonar: Free market myths explored? Is that our topic tonight?
[2012/10/16 15:55]  Zobeid Zuma: I’ve also seen people buy small plots of land and put garish FOR SALE signs over them, so the neighbors would buy them at inflated prices just to get rid of the signs. 😛
[2012/10/16 15:55]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): look at the birds or the ants they don’t have free market
[2012/10/16 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And mmh perhaps Bela and Rhi have different ideas about what “harmony” means 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:55]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Give an example, Bela. Even the harmony of a command economy results in one village od’ing on strawberries, while the village next door is starving for them.
[2012/10/16 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can imagine that “harmony” means someone with a shotgun pointing at my head and say, “do NOT build THAT in MY backyard!” 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: that is why harmony is hard to obtain: People have different ideas about what it means.
[2012/10/16 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, well, that’s the harmony of a command economy; to a lesser extent, zoning
[2012/10/16 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s a pearl of wisdom, Extie 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:56]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): harmony is the normal state in natural ecosystems
[2012/10/16 15:56]  Zobeid Zuma: One of my earliest impressions of SL was sort of like that scene from 2001 where Bowman looks into the monolith portal… “My God it’s full of billboards and strip malls!”
[2012/10/16 15:56]  ArtCrash Exonar: I myself have been unceremoniously expelled from more than a few roleplay communities for violating some sort of unknown rule or other.
[2012/10/16 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Bela, well, I w as going to say–the free market is the same principle as a “nat ural eco-system.
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: I heard it said on ‘Day Of The dead’. That rhymes!
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL Zo!!! hahahahahaha
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): lol, Zo
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Bryce Galbraith: lol! yep, I remember those too Zobeid.
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: Art, you are nothing but trouble.
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *giggles*
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Zobeid Zuma: Virtual suburban sprawl.
[2012/10/16 15:57]  ArtCrash Exonar: I know! But fun trouble!
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Bryce Galbraith: I guess they are still out there to some degree… zi don’t explore SL as much of late….
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yay for fun! 😀
[2012/10/16 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: So true:)
[2012/10/16 15:58]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): and it was the normal state for humanity until the rising of markets… markets are based on money, an artificial concept that is the source of all our problems
[2012/10/16 15:58]  ArtCrash Exonar: money is absolutely necessary in the modern world.
[2012/10/16 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: Money is like god. If it did not exist we would need to invent it.
[2012/10/16 15:58]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I disagree Art
[2012/10/16 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ha! The problem with that assumption, Bela, is that the earliest records we have of written things come exactly from… accounting. So it’s hard to say what was there before civilization. All we can say is that civilization = markets 🙂
[2012/10/16 15:58]  Zobeid Zuma: That makes it unlike God, doesn’t it? 😛
[2012/10/16 15:58]  ArtCrash Exonar: HOw would you buy a computer Bela?
[2012/10/16 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me grins @ Zo & Extie
[2012/10/16 15:59]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I’m talking about the kind of money we have, we surely could invent another kind of money
[2012/10/16 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: Can we have a ‘is money the root of all evil’ topic next week and NOT go into it this week?
[2012/10/16 15:59]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Money is energy; the free flow of money is the free flow of energy.
[2012/10/16 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes please, Extie!
[2012/10/16 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’ll be happy to talk about selfishness today, and why it leads to no-zoning, except when people have guns 😉
[2012/10/16 16:00]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, zoning irl is an attempt to stop decisions based on money. Based on something nobler, like who has the pull on the bureaucrats that day
[2012/10/16 16:00]  ArtCrash Exonar: Money is the belief in the value of money. Trade is all about adjusting value of objects according to that faith in money.
[2012/10/16 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, who has the bigger gun.
[2012/10/16 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: OK. next week we shall discuss money and whether it is necessary or evil or whatever but for this week the topic is still zoning by RL in SL.
[2012/10/16 16:00]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): hi violet!
[2012/10/16 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Violet, did you bring some guns?
[2012/10/16 16:00]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): ok Extie 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: If not, you can stay in my zone 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: If yes, move over to Rhi’s polease.
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Bryce Galbraith: Ho Violet 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: (although anybody burdened by the evil money can offload their burden into my SL account, thanks)
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Hi Rhi, all 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): Hi Violet!
[2012/10/16 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: I have a lot of weapons in my inventory, but they shoot stuff like books and crayons and bunnies
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): And, no guns…but giant robots! 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): OK, let’s stick to the topic? What purpose would zoning play in SL. It has several motives in RL–excluding “those people” from my neighborhood, allowing for long commutes to help the automobile, oil, and tire industry, etc.
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: hello Violet:)
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): Does Violet usually carry guns?
[2012/10/16 16:01]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): (Poor bunnies.)
[2012/10/16 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: what has the tire industry got to do with SL?
[2012/10/16 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In SL I think that the main issues are aesthetics and/or lag (e.g. due to clubs, malls, and other avatar-intensive activities)
[2012/10/16 16:02]  Zobeid Zuma: /me thinks the watermelon launcher is hilarious…
[2012/10/16 16:02]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, my point exactly. There isn’t the equivalent of special interests that benefit from zoning in SL
[2012/10/16 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m freely quoting from the assumptions used by a community in SL I’m part of, where zoning is strictly enforced
[2012/10/16 16:02]  ArtCrash Exonar: If you want silly weapons, check out the store called Fire Good!
[2012/10/16 16:03]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): oh yes I love that store Art!
[2012/10/16 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aesthetics are subjective, but lag as a result of certain activities is not: it’s using common resources
[2012/10/16 16:03]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yes, placing the residential area away from the high traffic areas would be a good thing, but wouldn’t the sim owner just do that? Or wouldn’t the price of real estate do it?
[2012/10/16 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I might argue that when shared resources are at stake, zoning might make some sense.
[2012/10/16 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: how do sims cope with popularity? Popularity= many visitors. Many visitors=lag. Lag= a poor experience. A poor experience= an adverse reaction to the sim.
[2012/10/16 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: aye, it’s a terrible dilemma indeed 😀
[2012/10/16 16:04]  ArtCrash Exonar: Well whenever you go to those full sims, you find tons of newbies
[2012/10/16 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, which then reduces popularity. There is a balance that would be sought.
[2012/10/16 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: then again I out up with lag in Truth because their hair is such high quality.
[2012/10/16 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: the community I’m speaking of has no “sim owner” 😉 but a group of elected representatives who manage the sims on behalf of all who elected them
[2012/10/16 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, there is still a limit, Extie; as there is the marketplace. That’s where I bought my hair
[2012/10/16 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[2012/10/16 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, fair argument 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: I…..am…..going……..to…..click….on……that……………….one.
[2012/10/16 16:05]  ArtCrash Exonar: Try Analog Dog for great hair. Just saying
[2012/10/16 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So we’re limited to the subjectivity of aesthetics when discussing zoning?
[2012/10/16 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (thumbs up on that, Art!)
[2012/10/16 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: This hair I am wearing now is Analogue Dog, Art:)
[2012/10/16 16:05]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): I like shopping for stuff in world more than Marketplace, but use Marketplace more to avoid lag :\
[2012/10/16 16:06]  ArtCrash Exonar: Me too!
[2012/10/16 16:06]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I recommend Exile and Magika too
[2012/10/16 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: yay!
[2012/10/16 16:06]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): but if we start talking about shops I can go on and on lol
[2012/10/16 16:06]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): I still like Zero Style best 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me is an AD fan too, but is using A&A today
[2012/10/16 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Bela
[2012/10/16 16:06]  ArtCrash Exonar: Adore and Abhor is a great store name
[2012/10/16 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: why do I feel like my own person when I am an ensemble of other people’ skin, anims, poses, hairstyles and clothes?
[2012/10/16 16:07]  ArtCrash Exonar: You are part of ‘It takes a village’
[2012/10/16 16:07]  ArtCrash Exonar: heh
[2012/10/16 16:07]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I think it’s because of your personal viewpoint Extie 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, you’re actually learning an important concept about ‘self’, Extie 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But that’s for another day
[2012/10/16 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: well in RL peple are prolific mimics and incorporate aspects of other people’s habits and manerisms into their own repertoire…
[2012/10/16 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyone willing to discuss aesthetics as a support for zoning? 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (Extie: and buy clothes from shops too, or go to the hairdresser as well)
[2012/10/16 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Violet, yeah, sometimes I like shopping inworld; but partly it’s because I get a kick of shopping naked.
[2012/10/16 16:08]  ArtCrash Exonar: My mind is wandering to Jung’s sixteen personality types and how it doesn’t really fit anyone.
[2012/10/16 16:08]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Well–themed sims would be nice, to stick to the theme…but we already kind of have that
[2012/10/16 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): i had a custom made avater to reflect my paratar, so I feel this is me
[2012/10/16 16:08]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I change a lot my appearance, but the same viewpoint remains, that’s my continuity as Bela Beltz
[2012/10/16 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me wonders what Rhi buys at shops
[2012/10/16 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: glasses.
[2012/10/16 16:09]  ArtCrash Exonar: a merkin?
[2012/10/16 16:09]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): and feet
[2012/10/16 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: ribbons..
[2012/10/16 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, hair for one thing
[2012/10/16 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Skin
[2012/10/16 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hm. Right. And shoes.
[2012/10/16 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Feet
[2012/10/16 16:09]  ArtCrash Exonar: eyes
[2012/10/16 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Blonde!
[2012/10/16 16:09]  ArtCrash Exonar: makeup
[2012/10/16 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Feet: a nightmare to match skin colour…
[2012/10/16 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: anims? Poses?
[2012/10/16 16:10]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Right, make up. Glasses
[2012/10/16 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[2012/10/16 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: cheer up, Gwynie!
[2012/10/16 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, it cannot get any worse… lol
[2012/10/16 16:10]  ArtCrash Exonar: Famous last words
[2012/10/16 16:10]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, oh yes; I wouldn’t have changed to bare feet, except a gentleman who wanted me *completely* naked spent over 600L for them. They match pretty well after I worked at it
[2012/10/16 16:10]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): haha, they truly are…boxfeet or madness is the choice.
[2012/10/16 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: so where did we get in this ‘zoning’ discussion?
[2012/10/16 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I wonder if one day skins will be sold in standard colours, so that we will use standard feet and standard hands….
[2012/10/16 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: Did Zindra work?
[2012/10/16 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: Or did it mean a thing.
[2012/10/16 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: They do match perfectly indeed, Rhi… anyway, back to the discussion
[2012/10/16 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: what is zindra?
[2012/10/16 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: I can’t say as I’ve ever knowingly been to Zindra
[2012/10/16 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Adult zone
[2012/10/16 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: what did they do there?
[2012/10/16 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: Zindra is SL’s walled off sex zone.
[2012/10/16 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’ve been there just a couple of times when it was a novelty
[2012/10/16 16:11]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I thought Zindra doesn’t exist anymore?
[2012/10/16 16:12]  ArtCrash Exonar: I have no idea
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: On some places it doesn’t look so different from the mainland in terms of aesthetics
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Doesn’t it?
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Thanks, Gwyn. But yes, back to the discussion. lol
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Was it closed? Oh my
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Zobeid Zuma: That bad, Gwyn? :/
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I don’t know for sure
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: Pfft. Sex is only interesting when it happens naturally as a result of a developing relationship.
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, we need to do a field trip!
[2012/10/16 16:12]  ArtCrash Exonar: Or with a hooker
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ha Extie 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:12]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2012/10/16 16:12]  ArtCrash Exonar: I couldn’t resist
[2012/10/16 16:12]  Zobeid Zuma: Extie don’t scrump? 😀
[2012/10/16 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Happens naturally, Extie? I think it should be zoned, personally
[2012/10/16 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So if Zindra closed, it shows how not even “similar interests” are enough for zoning,.
[2012/10/16 16:13]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): I wasn’t around when Zindra was introduced, but I’ve wandered… It was/is pretty mainlandy. But I like the chaos of the mainland, so.
[2012/10/16 16:13]  ArtCrash Exonar: Sex happens ‘down there’ in the secret zone
[2012/10/16 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: I know what I am talking about. I did a lot of casual sex in my early years. Making love with somebody I am committed to and have formed a good friendship with is way better.
[2012/10/16 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zindra is closed? What about all those A sims?
[2012/10/16 16:13]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I agree Extie
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: for me, anyway. Other people might feel differently.
[2012/10/16 16:14]  ArtCrash Exonar: Zindra is mainland, right?
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have no idea, Rhi, this is news to me as well
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): No I didn’t mean it was closed
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Zobeid Zuma: Zindra is its own continent, isn’t it?
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah…. what did you mean, Bela?
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: what about Jessie is that still around?
[2012/10/16 16:14]  ArtCrash Exonar: Ima search it in the sl search!
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Zobeid Zuma: So it’s mainland but not the main mainland. :/
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: ah that does not prove anything.
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I just thought the Zindra continent was merged with the Mainland or something
[2012/10/16 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: There is a “zindra Ocean”
[2012/10/16 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: and there is a “Jessie”
[2012/10/16 16:15]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): but I’m not sure
[2012/10/16 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I like that, Zo — mainland but not main mainland!
[2012/10/16 16:15]  Bryce Galbraith: I’m afraid I need to log … till next time !
[2012/10/16 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bye Bryce!
[2012/10/16 16:15]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It’s a mainland of it’s own is the thing
[2012/10/16 16:15]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Take care, Bryce 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:15]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): see you Bryce
[2012/10/16 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: If they ‘blocked internet porn’ like some british newspapers are calling for, what would that mean for SL?
[2012/10/16 16:15]  ArtCrash Exonar: Found this place Zindra Help Vortex: Adult Sandbox, Mentor and Outreach Center
[2012/10/16 16:15]  ArtCrash Exonar: So I guess zindra is still with us
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Whew 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): ok I was wrong then 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:16]  ArtCrash Exonar: Aren’t we all just a bit better for knowing that now?
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: it would mean no brits in SL 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): lol
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: We are indeed, Art! hehe
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): lol only Brits?
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: thank god. Means I can get some sex this weekend if Seren is away again.
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I know I feel enriched
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): lol
[2012/10/16 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *chuckles* @ Extie
[2012/10/16 16:17]  ArtCrash Exonar: I love how everyone pretends that only ‘others’ ever look at porn.
[2012/10/16 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: Can you believe she cancelled our date in order to go see some guy called Kurzweil give a talk at some singularity summit thingy?
[2012/10/16 16:17]  ArtCrash Exonar: The nerve
[2012/10/16 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh pfft. As if this guy isn’t doing that all the time, hardly a novelty any more 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:17]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Some people have no sense of priorities, Extie
[2012/10/16 16:17]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): SL sex is not porn I think
[2012/10/16 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps she’s interested in seeing what brand of wheelchair he uses.
[2012/10/16 16:18]  Extropia DaSilva: I know, Rhi, I know.
[2012/10/16 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, Extie, what did you have in mind with “RP zoning”?
[2012/10/16 16:18]  Extropia DaSilva: well what IS porn?
[2012/10/16 16:18]  ArtCrash Exonar: SLex is assisted masturbation.
[2012/10/16 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Like joining all Star Wars groups together?
[2012/10/16 16:18]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Art, it depends on whether there’s a relationship with it
[2012/10/16 16:18]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I guess Kurzweill is like 200 years old by now?
[2012/10/16 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: Or a skinsuit
[2012/10/16 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: Nothing. Somebody said in a blog that Hamlet referred to, that SL should be zoned by RP.
[2012/10/16 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hrrmpf
[2012/10/16 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah
[2012/10/16 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *scratches head*
[2012/10/16 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Why? lol
[2012/10/16 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Porn is the poor man’s erotica. If a woman plays a violin naked or reads a book naked on stage, it’s erotica; if she dances naked around a pole, it’s porn.
[2012/10/16 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: Hamlet! omg It’s gotta be true!
[2012/10/16 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2012/10/16 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Art!
[2012/10/16 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: not
[2012/10/16 16:19]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): porn is watching other people have sex… watching your avatar having sex is a completely different thing
[2012/10/16 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh Bela. I never thought of it like that!
[2012/10/16 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: Poor Hamlet. He is the forecaster who is never right.
[2012/10/16 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: We need a new name for that!
[2012/10/16 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: and that’s good for him! Imagine if he were right when he predicts SL’s doom! No more articles to write!
[2012/10/16 16:20]  Extropia DaSilva: Apart from NOW all the experience of the sex is memory, and in memory it can feel no different to a recollection of RL sex.
[2012/10/16 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: good point
[2012/10/16 16:20]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): good point Extie
[2012/10/16 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: I cherish my memories… heh
[2012/10/16 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So if I understood that point right…
[2012/10/16 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: But Hamlet did not write this article. he just mentioned it.
[2012/10/16 16:21]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, to the subconsious, SL is real
[2012/10/16 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What those people were calling for is something like an extra attribute for sims,
[2012/10/16 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: not only G, M, A
[2012/10/16 16:21]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): true Rhi
[2012/10/16 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: but also “RP” to show that you’re in a role-playing sim? Is that it?
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (I haven’t read the article, so I have no clue what they were talking about)
[2012/10/16 16:22]  ArtCrash Exonar: Speaking of SL sex, don’t ever click and wear anything called ‘Winter Scarf’….
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Well, I need to make dinner…take care, everyone 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, the “extra” at tribute is usually in the covenant or the sim charter, or the rules that most sims present
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (bye, Violet1 wow that was a short visit!)
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): bye, Vi
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): what is it Art?
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Zobeid Zuma: G M and A tell what sort of content is allowed (or not) in a sim. What would RP mean?
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hey that rhymes
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d agree, Rhi….
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: it would indicate the content of the *conversation*
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): That unlike all the other sims, there is role playing in that sim.
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Zobeid Zuma: ???
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): Bye Violet!
[2012/10/16 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So mmh would Caledon be labeled RP?
[2012/10/16 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): everywhere else, if you’re a panther, it’s not role playing
[2012/10/16 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Zo, I have no idea what was on that article, so I’m wildly speculating on what the author had in mind….
[2012/10/16 16:23]  Zobeid Zuma: I never have any trouble telling when I’ve gone into a RP sim. But yeah… A lot of sims are “sort of” RP…. free-form RP…. casual RP, etc….
[2012/10/16 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So we would need extra classifications to cover all those cases too??
[2012/10/16 16:24]  ArtCrash Exonar: just incase you have never encountered this item
[2012/10/16 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, me neither; usually, the costumes, the talkind dragons, the people on horseback, give it away
[2012/10/16 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: As Rhi suggested —… wouldn’t Covenants be far better for that?
[2012/10/16 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I went to one Gor sim on a horse, though, and was instantly killed by an overzealous guardian
[2012/10/16 16:24]  Zobeid Zuma: If you go into a MLP FiM sim, there are generally no complicated rules or gadgets, but you’ll quickly notice everyone around you is a small colorful horse….
[2012/10/16 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): If it had been zoned “no-horse” RP, I wouldn’t have made that mistake
[2012/10/16 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Zo….
[2012/10/16 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
[2012/10/16 16:25]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): you in a Gor sim Rhia?
[2012/10/16 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: you should have asked if this was the route to a MLP sim 😉
[2012/10/16 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: 5 minutes left folks!
[2012/10/16 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Bela, I’m a member of a Taluna tribe, just in case. lol
[2012/10/16 16:25]  Zobeid Zuma: Ponies and Goreans are like natural enemies, I think.
[2012/10/16 16:25]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): oh lol
[2012/10/16 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good to know that, Zo! 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:25]  ArtCrash Exonar: I tour around here and there looking at interesting sims, and sometimes tp into roleplay areas with unknown rules. Or the rules don’t rez quick enough. Interesting how many people there are to enforce things…..
[2012/10/16 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Travelling advice in SL: if you’re a small colourful pony, don’t travel to Gorean sims.
[2012/10/16 16:26]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I actually did have a relevant experience when a noob. I went to a poetry reading. Looked around; saw the women naked on leashes; the architecture. Heh. Was a Gorean sim. They were very nice about it, but I skedaddled.
[2012/10/16 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: Is zoning a good idea but unfortunately too late now that SL is what it is?
[2012/10/16 16:26]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): btw Rhia I’m Adur Gaelyth’s alt, so I know you a little… I thought you hated Gor
[2012/10/16 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: control freaks! each and every one of them! ㋡
[2012/10/16 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, yes, that would be worse that me there. Horses didn’t exist on counter-Earth. The most that would happen to me is that I’d have some explaining to do. If you were a MLP, you might be killed and banned.
[2012/10/16 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Depends, Extie. I still believe in the democratic revolution in SL 😉
[2012/10/16 16:27]  ArtCrash Exonar: I don’t see how you could zone SL without a lot of protesting.
[2012/10/16 16:27]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I stay with Zo, I’m not sure what zoning implies exactly
[2012/10/16 16:27]  ArtCrash Exonar: The only place zoning is possible is mainland. And that is becoming more and more vacant
[2012/10/16 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: true. You cannot do anything in SL without attracting a lot of protest.
[2012/10/16 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Bela, hate is too strong a word. I don’t like it, but I have friends that go there, and to be able to visit them, I joined a Taluna tribe
[2012/10/16 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: that raises a complex philosophical question for a Gorean Enforcer. How to kill something that is not supposed to exist? 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:28]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): cool ,Rhi 🙂
[2012/10/16 16:28]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, lol. Well, the one enforcer who killed me for having a horse–the others revived me, told me the rules, and we left cordially; I was invited to a OOC event that evening
[2012/10/16 16:29]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I didn’t have a meter on, so I wasn’t “really killed.”
[2012/10/16 16:29]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Whatever that means here in SL
[2012/10/16 16:29]  Zobeid Zuma: The decline of the mainland might be a good topic sometime.
[2012/10/16 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: It would have to affect your social standing in order to mean something.
[2012/10/16 16:30]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think the decline of mainlands might be related to the ugly factor
[2012/10/16 16:30]  Bela Beltz (belabeltz): I have visited some RP sims, but I felt learning the RP rules was too much work for me… and I think I’m too shy for RP anyway
[2012/10/16 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, yeah; if you’re killed and come back before you’re alive again, you get banned.
[2012/10/16 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok…my time is up!
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