Thinkers September 18 2012: John Carter McKnight’s on SL’s troubles

Professor Violet Ninetails at Thinkers

Extropia DaSilva: Welcome to the Jerry Springer..I mean,,,Thinkers! Today the topic is..
[2012/09/18 15:32]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): never be late, should be Gwynie’S motto!
[2012/09/18 15:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ha Art
[2012/09/18 15:32]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Ah, yeas Art. Like those people that revisit their days playing with barbie dolls. The avatar being the new Barbie one can dress up and well…of course also do more adult things.
[2012/09/18 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: John Carter McKnight sums up SL’s woes, thus: “LL’s troubles have historically come from chasing anybody but their actual userbase of perverts and teachers. Is this a fair assessment?
[2012/09/18 15:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: luisa: it should, you’re right
[2012/09/18 15:32]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Hello Gwyn.
[2012/09/18 15:32]  Zobeid Zuma: Haha!
[2012/09/18 15:32]  ArtCrash Exonar: I like the barbie aspect of SL as well! haha
[2012/09/18 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: NO! week..
[2012/09/18 15:32]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Kitty Sitting In The Flwoers is traditional 😄
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Can I aslo ask a question before that starts? Or maybe as a kind of second question?
[2012/09/18 15:33]  ArtCrash Exonar: What are we if not a bunch of barbies?
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: Ask away..
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You’re quoting John Carter McKnight? a good friend of mine!
[2012/09/18 15:33]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): not sure if one can define an “actual users base”
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): and, is there some reason we should care waht John Carter Knight thinks, out of curiosity?
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh most definitely we should!
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah, he blogged an opinion and Hamlet shouted about it.
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): well, obviously his friend woudlm, that’s a godo reason 😄
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Ok…What kind of woes and troubles was he referring to?
[2012/09/18 15:33]  ArtCrash Exonar: If he is a Knight, we should call him Sir.
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna 😛
[2012/09/18 15:33]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well he had the most wonderful female avatar lol
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Ahhh, so, his qualification is, he’s loud and has zombies? 😄
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna!
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head*
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: I never heard of him, either.
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: He did years of research in SL communities
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Really?
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Speak softly and associate with the undead…pretty good rule of thumb
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: He comes next to Tom Bukowski, Extie
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Caitna Brionnae giggles *sorry, largely teasing, but, in general, I do stand by the point… Bloggers are just people that have people who prefer to listen to them than think for themselves. That’s OFTEN not the Bloggers fault
[2012/09/18 15:34]  Gilles Kuhn: Mc Knight mean son of knight so if the knight is not an hereditary one which can happen as knight can be a title and not necesseraly a given honor or rank….
[2012/09/18 15:34]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): John Carter … that rings a bell, but merely on cinema movie titles
[2012/09/18 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: John is not a ‘blogger’,
[2012/09/18 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: he is a PhD (finishing) student on social interaction in virtual worlds
[2012/09/18 15:35]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): That’s why I ask, is to find out 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But not a 23-year-old kid with a PhD, he has a loooong career
[2012/09/18 15:35]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin):
[2012/09/18 15:36]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Did someone read my question and can answer it? What troubles are actually meant in this statement about the “troubles that LL” has. Certainly not a about lag, right?
[2012/09/18 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: So you have read his opinion piece Gwyn?
[2012/09/18 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Granted, I’m sure not everybody is following the insanely large academic crowd working in SL
[2012/09/18 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, Extie, but I’ve talked with John for *years* every day lol
[2012/09/18 15:36]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Well, I don’t believe that he interacted with our community. Then again I haven’t read his works, so I guess we’re even
[2012/09/18 15:36]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Then yus, I’d say he’s as qualified as anybody to have his opinion. I can even, to some extent, understand the point, and, also, as a researcher, his opinions aren’t SUPPOSED to be for teh betterment of SL, but as unbiased a depiciton as possible, which is a different issue
[2012/09/18 15:36]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Are we talking about the statement or the person?
[2012/09/18 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m not saying that I might or not agree with him on everything though — we discussed a lot in-world and on Gtalk, and clearly there are many things with which we disagree
[2012/09/18 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The statement I think
[2012/09/18 15:37]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Well, teh topic is the statement, I asked about teh person that made teh statement, because context matters
[2012/09/18 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m not sure how I feel, with a 3,000+ day history in SL, about finding out I’m not part of the “actual userbase”. :/
[2012/09/18 15:37]  ArtCrash Exonar: Throw is a weblink to him?
[2012/09/18 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m just playing the role of establishing John’s reputation 😀 He’s truly not someone who logged in to SL, saw a few things, went away, wrote an article; but rather someone who spent 4 hours a day for several years in a teeming SL community with full participation
[2012/09/18 15:37]  Kimiko Yiyuan: And because context matters I would like to know about what kind of troubles this statement was made in the first place.
[2012/09/18 15:37]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I’d be very careful of blanket statements about he SL userbase, and who is or is not in it.
[2012/09/18 15:37]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): the main problem is that the economics of online communities don’t fit into any of the little economic model boxes you learn in business school
[2012/09/18 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: I guess it is the usual thing of not attracting FB-scale membership?
[2012/09/18 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: These days, little about RL economy fits in those (Keynesian) model boxes…
[2012/09/18 15:38]  Kimiko Yiyuan: So is LL in trouble? And if so, in what kind of troubles.
[2012/09/18 15:38]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): I think the idea of an “actual userbase” is kind of a mistake, actually…but it probably is a problem, getting people to try, acclimatize to and remain in SL
[2012/09/18 15:38]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): peopel are ALWAYS complaining about LL and Doomsayers predicting immanent downfall. Someday, doubtless, they’ll be right, but it’ll be accidnetal
[2012/09/18 15:38]  MoodyLoner Korobase: When is LL not in financial trouble?
[2012/09/18 15:38]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): be wary of soon to come FB scales 😀
[2012/09/18 15:38]  Kimiko Yiyuan: FB-scale membership. What is that again?
[2012/09/18 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: Does SL cater for anybody, specifically? Is that its problem? It does not target any specific demographic?
[2012/09/18 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: He didn’t say that LL is “in trouble”. He said they’ve had troubles — which is sort of a non-statement, since every business has troubles of one sort or another.
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: Hi Rhi!
[2012/09/18 15:39]  ArtCrash Exonar: The Lab is NOT in financial trouble btw. That is a myth.
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): The openness of SL is the whole appeal to me 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: guess that is Rhi arriving.
[2012/09/18 15:39]  ArtCrash Exonar: It makes a profit.
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Heya Rhi! 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed, Art
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Wallace Wirefly: greetings ohh great cook : )D
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It does make a profit indeed
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): yes, I know, But Chicken Little is VERY popular
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Hi Rhi 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:39]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): it is *not* easy to be not into financial troubles these days
[2012/09/18 15:39]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Ok, so thats not the troubles we talk about then.
[2012/09/18 15:39]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I’m not certain, given my experience with Netroots Nation and other large SL gatherings, that SL is ready or capable of FB level usership, from a technical standpoint
[2012/09/18 15:40]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): I wouldn’t wnat ti to be
[2012/09/18 15:40]  ArtCrash Exonar: A lot of the people giving up their land in SL is due to their RL change of financial condition.
[2012/09/18 15:40]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): I mean, seriously. I have friends into WoW
[2012/09/18 15:40]  Kimiko Yiyuan: So it probably is something in the direction Extropia mentioned? Not good enough membership? Whatever that means.
[2012/09/18 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Moody: why restrict it to ‘technical’ standpoints? I’d say, from *any* standpoint one might care to name 😀
[2012/09/18 15:40]  Zobeid Zuma: Yeah, I got my home cheap because of all the abandoned land in Bolinas.
[2012/09/18 15:40]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): they go ON about how huge it is and how great it is…. but try and get them to pin down WHY Huge is good, and they get baffled
[2012/09/18 15:40]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): land prices are dwindling, but Tier still has to follow that development
[2012/09/18 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Violet; hi Ari
[2012/09/18 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: John’s comment was more in the sense that LL imagines there is a Mythical Userbase™ out there, and want to reach out to them, but, in fact, the userbase is nothing what LL wants to have 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:41]  ArtCrash Exonar: huge means money
[2012/09/18 15:41]  Gilles Kuhn: huge is not a good argument it is the number of people using it for whatever reason that is important
[2012/09/18 15:41]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): but frankly… I’ve been looking into goign into busienss on SL wicnce day one. there’s been troubles unrelated but, the thing is… how manycustoemrs do you need?
[2012/09/18 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: … and how much they’re paying….
[2012/09/18 15:41]  MoodyLoner Korobase: You have a point, Caitna ☆smiles☆
[2012/09/18 15:41]  Kimiko Yiyuan: And I also wonder for what kind of people LL should ..well…care more. Does anybody here feel kind of neglected by LL. Besides the usual technical troubles and the fact that you might not be able to care for all complaints at once?
[2012/09/18 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Caitna. Yes, good point.
[2012/09/18 15:41]  ArtCrash Exonar: What is important to LL is paid tier and volume of sales on marketplace.
[2012/09/18 15:41]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): If I sell a hundred Tardis expansions, that’s great…. what makes me think that I can or shoudl even TRY to sell one to EVERYBODY?
[2012/09/18 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kimiko: no, but that’s because we are all perverts or teachers! 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: I’ve spent a fair bit of money in SL, and it wasn’t on sex toys or teaching aids.
[2012/09/18 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[2012/09/18 15:42]  Kimiko Yiyuan: What do you mean with mytical userbase?
[2012/09/18 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: Does anybody have any actual statistics?
[2012/09/18 15:42]  ArtCrash Exonar: I spend a LOT on virtual clothing haha. And I love doing it.
[2012/09/18 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kimiko: all sorts of people who are not in SL and never will be, but that LL dogmatically believes they should be.
[2012/09/18 15:42]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): they do exist, but I’m not in an easy position to dig them up. they’re on the net though
[2012/09/18 15:42]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): there had been more statistical data available about concurrent users and such
[2012/09/18 15:42]  Kimiko Yiyuan: I alwayss knes you to be a real pervert Gwyn. 😉
[2012/09/18 15:42]  Wallace Wirefly: hmmm….statistics )
[2012/09/18 15:42]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): those data been missing made some people feel nervous
[2012/09/18 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kimiko: You had a 50% chance of guessing right 😀
[2012/09/18 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: If you want to talk about the big untapped market, that’s easy…. Online gambling. We know that could be huge in SL because it *was* before they deliberately stopped it.
[2012/09/18 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: Clothes would be the largest inventory of most residents I would think.
[2012/09/18 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): How do we know tht it’s dogmatic, Gwyn? I would imagine that they conduct the same kinds of business analysis as any other corporation
[2012/09/18 15:43]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Same for Rhi, of yourse. Although she is both. Hi there Rhi. 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:43]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): but that’s teh thing, Gwyn – by law, LL HAS to try to get more users
[2012/09/18 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: oh yes!
[2012/09/18 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna. or upsell the existing ones more services
[2012/09/18 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi kim
[2012/09/18 15:43]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Well, there are minor little Federal laws involving online gambling.
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): It’s idiotic, but as long as “Stabndard Business Practice” is being defined by the Milken Discipleship, they can be busted out and charged with malfeasence if they don’t do things the MBA Way
[2012/09/18 15:44]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think the Lab stopped gambling because they were afraid of the legal issues involved.
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: we don’t know, specially because the dogma moves with the times. It was ‘coders’ with Cory, ‘artists’ with Philip, ‘business’ with M, ‘gamers’ with Rod….
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: Right, they’ve got The Man harshing their vibe. 😛
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): and the Official Modern Business Practice doesnt’ support slow growth. it’s fast growth or they fire ya
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: But the money people were gambling must have been peanuts, surely?
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Wallace Wirefly: sort of sounds like the soft political/business jargon in real life … few rules here …ain’t that great )
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: or does that not matter?
[2012/09/18 15:44]  luisa (luisa.bourgoin): artist-gamers I would stuff them into a drawer
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): unless you can blame somebody else, of course. They pend a lot of time doing that
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Gilles Kuhn: yes they stopped gambling which i found sad as with linden monkey money the quantities of money involved was ridiculous but the thrill was still there it could have been a good manner of letting game addict have their pleasure without ruining themselves
[2012/09/18 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, from the changes that LL have made, i would say they’re trying to tap the Facebook crowd
[2012/09/18 15:45]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Ok, Gwyn. So that are mystical users then. But I guess that is then probably a problem of pretty much every internet outfit. Or even comapnies in general. Always hunting those people that should buy their products but do not do it yet.
[2012/09/18 15:45]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I am not a lawyer or an expert on gamblilg. My layperson’s impression is that amount doesn’t matter
[2012/09/18 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna: that’s true in MOST start-ups in the tech sector, aye. But LL is not a start-up any longer. It’s 13 years old. That should ‘allow’ them slow growth… like Autodesk, Oracle, even Adobe…
[2012/09/18 15:45]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Dammit! I am an expert on typos though 😦
[2012/09/18 15:46]  Wallace Wirefly: as long as someone keeps the power cord connected….and the Ports alive all one needs
[2012/09/18 15:46]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Standard Practice is, look at what whoever is makign teh biggest splash, and try to imitate them
[2012/09/18 15:46]  Kimiko Yiyuan: I think it is good they stopped gambling. That was a big rip-off. Although it was nice for killing time. Now people have to do other things. Like having discussions…uaaaah
[2012/09/18 15:46]  Zobeid Zuma: Most startups are expected to fail while a few hit the jackpot. But LL has done neither. It just keeps plodding along profitably, but not enough to attract a BUYER.
[2012/09/18 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: Typo is the most common dialect in SL, Moody;)
[2012/09/18 15:46]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Oracle and Adobe are bad choices LOL. they both have periodic issues with exactly that
[2012/09/18 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kimiko: let me try a different approach. Imagine that you spend a huge amount of money in marketing campaigns to sell bikinis among the Inuit. How successful do you think that marketing strategy will be? 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:46]  Gilles Kuhn: mood yes legvally it doenst matter (the ammount) but and thats general i would recommend to LL to move the company seat and the server to island or another civilized country…
[2012/09/18 15:46]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Yup Zoe
[2012/09/18 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure, a few Inuits might have indoor pools and buy them, but there is a limit to that market.
[2012/09/18 15:47]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha, good analogy Gwyn
[2012/09/18 15:47]  Gilles Kuhn: Gwyn zero indeed they tend to be naked under their marine mammals furs…
[2012/09/18 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna: those ‘periodic issues’ are precisely the kind of things that LL is facing 😀
[2012/09/18 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: so what group IS the core demographic of Sl, if not ‘perverts’ or ‘teachers’?
[2012/09/18 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gilles: well, perhaps not in the 21st century, but the point is… there is simply not a HUGE market for bikinis in the Arctic. There is just a limit.
[2012/09/18 15:47]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): I think what I always have, but it’ll NEVER fly…. fact ism, what the profit curve for LL and Neverwinter Nights had, was based on a market sector that MBA’s HATE
[2012/09/18 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: ‘which’ I should say:)
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Gilles Kuhn: teacher certainly not they are rare even fake ones
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hey. that’s not true! lol
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): The core market is “people who want to do things THEIR way”
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I like that!
[2012/09/18 15:48]  ArtCrash Exonar: So what do you think here, will SL appeal to many people in the STEAM gamer crows?
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Just out of curiosity,, how many people here have started and run an internet business as successful as SL? Just wondering.
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): it’s the custom content creation and purchace market
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Wallace Wirefly: I appears to me that LL business plan is …management by Chaos )
[2012/09/18 15:48]  ArtCrash Exonar: crowd
[2012/09/18 15:48]  MoodyLoner Korobase: The core market of SL is “people woith spare time and broadband”
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: LOL
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Gilles Kuhn: and perverts is a relative concept if you mean people interested by sexual content as much as the people in the normal internet i would say….
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Wallace Wirefly: that and not provide any real data on themselves…
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn raises hand!
[2012/09/18 15:48]  Wallace Wirefly: try to find some…
[2012/09/18 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wallace 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:49]  Kimiko Yiyuan: That probably depends where those Inuits you target are living. lol No, seriously, I know what you mean…But that leads to the question what target groups LL had then. “Perverts” and teachers are no bad choices in that case.
[2012/09/18 15:49]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): I’m confused by that, Art; I think gamers are a demographic with little interest in SL…
[2012/09/18 15:49]  Wallace Wirefly: although they do have a lawsuit pending
[2012/09/18 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, you DID have a LOT of data, but Rod put a stop to that.
[2012/09/18 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: Well, Art, if they come in expecting modern-day FPS quality, they will leave disgusted at the low-rez fair that is SL.
[2012/09/18 15:49]  Wallace Wirefly: could change whole situation
[2012/09/18 15:49]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Nowhere near as successful as SL, but I’ve assisted with two online businesses, one of which paid my SL and World of Warcraft bills for four years :))
[2012/09/18 15:49]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): the trouble is, that “Custom Content” is somethign MBA’s hate, because it means somebody else made money and they didn’t. they don’t CARE how much money they make providing the encvironment, they want a lock on all content.
[2012/09/18 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kimiko: the trouble is mostly one of public image. LL does NOT want to be “the virtual world for perverts and teachers”
[2012/09/18 15:50]  ArtCrash Exonar: The number of people who SAY they look at sexual content on the internet is FAR FAR smaller than the number who actually do…. heh
[2012/09/18 15:50]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): The ywant to sell expansion after expansion, and you really can’t do that with user content
[2012/09/18 15:50]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): You understand why I ask that question, Moody, Gwyn. It seems like a lot of Sunday back quarterbacking going on
[2012/09/18 15:50]  Kimiko Yiyuan: They always wanted to be more then a game. So gamers probably fell out. On the other hand that might have been their biggest mistake. That might explain why they talk about all those gaming stuff lately.
[2012/09/18 15:50]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): even so, sexual content issues are a smokescreen issue
[2012/09/18 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna: perhaps that’s also the reason why they hated eBay. eBay just got OTHERS making money selling stuff, and eBay would just get a slice
[2012/09/18 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: SL is not MUCH different.
[2012/09/18 15:50]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): EVERY single fronteir in human history was expanded and made part of teh larger economy by way opf sex trade
[2012/09/18 15:50]  MoodyLoner Korobase: It’s a valid point, Rhiannon. Easy to nitpick what someone else is doing
[2012/09/18 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then again, the fact that eBay’s founder was a funding member of LL would account for that… hehe
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): A lot of Business Admins DO hate EBay
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha yes, I agree, Caitna 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Kimiko Yiyuan: I agree for the perverts, Gwyn. With teachers they are probably fine. haha
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed. They do.
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Zobeid Zuma: I was into the MMOG scene before SL, and the similarities are what attracted me, but it’s also very different. And it’s been a long time now since I’ve done MMOG.
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kimiko ㋡
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): fortuatey, EBay has so much money thay can tell them all to take a long walk off a short pier, and nobody can say boo to them
[2012/09/18 15:51]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I was going to make the point that Caitna made – we owe much of the popularity of the Internet, and the VHS tape before that, to pornography.
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Moody as well
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: Sl is just not a very suitable platform for running games on. I am sure you can knock up a racing circuit or whatever but the end result will totally suck in comparison to a videogame specialised to do racing games and nothing but.
[2012/09/18 15:51]  ArtCrash Exonar: So I don’t think it is a coincidence that the growth of SL and decline of sims happened to coincide with the oct 2008 world wide financial crisis.
[2012/09/18 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well…
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): it’s what funded westward expansion in teh US
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Wallace Wirefly: Wait till Steam gets started ….
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): It’s funded every expansion in history
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): So, not to say peopel should liek it or dislike it, but it’s hardly something NEW
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: what does Steam bring to SL?
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Zobeid Zuma: I do think SL could be made a *better* platform for games, and LL have made a few moves in that direction… though not as much as I’d like.
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Yes. It is a bit late for SL to turn into some kind of online game.
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Steam brings nothign to SL
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): well, no
[2012/09/18 15:52]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Well, Art, that falls into “broadband and spare time” People looking for work or worried about finances often lack one or both of those.
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Wallace Wirefly: what does SL bring to Steam?)
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I remember a time, not so many years ago, when arcade machines were touted as “the only serious place to develop games for. PCs are just unable to handle games”. Then came consoles… and then PCs also got better cards… so, I don’0t know, Extie…
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Kimiko Yiyuan: That probably would not work.
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Wallace Wirefly: hmmmm
[2012/09/18 15:52]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Steam brings “Legitimacy” to SL
[2012/09/18 15:52]  ArtCrash Exonar: Extie: I think that the only thing STEAM brings to SL is more eyes on the product.
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Wallace Wirefly: so LL did this just for giggles
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed…. Legitimacy and good press
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Like Art said.
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: What about Steam? I don’t understand…
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): SL Brings to Steam furtherence of Steams pklans to move from pure gaming to being a generalized software distribution and access channel
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Wallace Wirefly: its shows a bit of their thinking I believe….
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I think Art has a valid point; entertainment industry is down all over; before I left stripping, my tips went from $500 a night to $200 a night,
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Which tehy have announced wanting to do’
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Yeah. Whats about Steam and LL. I must have missed that.
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, that too, Caitna — so it’s a win-win situation
[2012/09/18 15:53]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): SL makes a perfect “bridge”
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kimiko: SL is going to be distributed through Steam as well
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): That makes a bit more sense to me, Caitna….but blah, Steam.
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): but it’s amusing, that the deal flew because Steam knows what SL is better than LL does
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): What is Steam?
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Zobeid Zuma: You mean the LL viewer is, right?
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Wallace Wirefly: maybe…
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Gilles Kuhn: 500 % a night and after that some complain of gender salary inequalities….
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Ah, ok. So they try to get the gamers that way then. Hm…
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: Well Gwyn, my fear is that gamers will come who are used to games that store massive gigabytes of content on their harddrives, and they come to a world where everything is streamed and it will all seem rather laggy and crude compared to what they have come to expect.
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Wallace Wirefly: Time Warner though they knew AOL better )))))
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Gilles Kuhn: 500 $*
[2012/09/18 15:54]  ArtCrash Exonar: Zo, here is the link to the Steam Website:
[2012/09/18 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Steam is a game distribution platform, where you download games instead of shopping for boxes 🙂 On top of that, there is a comunity around it
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So you can see what your friends are playing, exchange games and gifts and so forth
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Zobeid Zuma: I know what Steam is, I have it. I like it. I just don’t see the connection with SL.
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mind you, we’re talking Triple-A games
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: like Xbox live, then?
[2012/09/18 15:55]  MoodyLoner Korobase: That would make sense – Steam moving to general software distribution. I have heard in interviews that Steam plans to compete with Windows Store, even putting resources into Linux graphics performance
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): They’re tryign to branch into selling NON game software,
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And SL will be loaded on their platform? Are they a Cloud platform, or do you have to actuallyk download?
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, Zo. Steam is expanding. They’re not limiting themselves to “games” only
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Wallace Wirefly: also brings in sale able items into each game…
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Kimiko Yiyuan: I do not think I would ever exchange SL for something there, honestly. haha
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You will download — like all other Steam games, Rhi
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): SL makes a lousey game. Though some of the things LL is doing could very well make it into a pretty good RP environment
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Wallace Wirefly: one can create an item just fo that game…
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kimiko: hehe
[2012/09/18 15:55]  Zobeid Zuma: Will you be stuck with the LL viewer? Because that’s a non-starter for me. 😛
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Rhi, you download the software, and then launch it through Steam
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Wallace Wirefly: like the SWORD of DESTINY )))
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): no
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Zobeid Zuma: And when the viewer is already a free download, then what’s the point?
[2012/09/18 15:56]  ArtCrash Exonar: So Steam wants SL because it thinks that Steam users will want to make stuff. And you can make stuff here better than anywhere else.
[2012/09/18 15:56]  ArtCrash Exonar: easier that is
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Steam is a software distributer and optional front end
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Many would agree with that, Caitna, there are hundreds of RPGs inside SL
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: Sl is like new Cap City, where figuring out the object of the game IS the object of the game.
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: reaching out to 40 million users using a single interface
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Wallace Wirefly: yes there are RPG’s
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Wallace Wirefly: and growing
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Etie, some people say life’s a lot like that. lol
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): it will distribute the LL viewer, tehy MAY make some kind of deal with Premium membership, but all parties have specifically said they are NOT cutting into TPV support
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: they are right:)
[2012/09/18 15:56]  Wallace Wirefly: divided SL will be…
[2012/09/18 15:57]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I don’t know that Steam users will stick with SL. But I don’t know that they *won’t*, either
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Wallace Wirefly: Gamers and players )
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Zobeid Zuma: If you can get the viewer on the WWW and you can get it on Steam, that’s not a single interface. That’s two interfaces. But you know… The great thing about standards is how many of them we’ve got. :/
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Remember, there is a huge ‘modding’ community around Steam
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Those are the target for SL
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Ok. I still have not really nailed the “troubles” that this statement was about. Could it be that the author did not really know that himself and just made a general complaint about LL?
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: guess we will find out in due course whether Steam users stick around.
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Wallace Wirefly: should get very interesting…
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: try Steam out. You’ll see it’s pretty well integrated actually.
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): There are… some RPG settings… there’s more… I’m not sure what to call them LOL. but I’m a purist when it comes to RP, so, ignore me 😄
[2012/09/18 15:57]  ArtCrash Exonar: A lot of people in the gamer world respect SL because successful micro transactions were invented here.
[2012/09/18 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: I think that ‘modders’ will stick, yes
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Zobeid Zuma: I have Steam. Did I not mention that? I just don’t see what it does for SL, or vice versa.
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: Well Gwyn here thinks the author is a bit of an authority on SL.
[2012/09/18 15:58]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I don’t rP here. Or, all I do here is RP. Either way.
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): I think Steam will prove to be a good move, but will have VERY little impact IN Second Life
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Wallace Wirefly: fully functional autonomous Avatars ))
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Kimiko Yiyuan: The only real trouble I have with that statement anyway so far is that I do not really think me to be either a techer nor a pervert but still feel fine here in general.
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Wallace Wirefly: able to respond to ones bidding …grins
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: I want to be one of them, Wallace!
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: what Rod has in mind is that ‘modders’ in Steam will see SL as the ultimate modder dream and join it 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Wallace Wirefly: LMAO….
[2012/09/18 15:58]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Welcome to my World, Kimiko.
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Wallace Wirefly: see)
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: No I am serious.
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Zobeid Zuma: SL = GMod?
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Kim, well, I’m sure whoever said it meant teacher and pervert in the nicest possible sense
[2012/09/18 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What Steam sees is that they will have a heavy-weight environment with millions of users as part of their “non-gaming application distribution” policy
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Wallace Wirefly: Pathway was a start…
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Kimiko, I don’t know the context of the quote, but it seems to be saying that SL doesn’t really cater to anyone in particular, which I think is basically true, but something I *like*
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, yes, both companies will profit from the announcement
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Oh, I’m fairly sure anybody would call me a perv,. I don’t much care 😄
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): But I’m HERE for the Building ability 🙂
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Wallace Wirefly: Framing system another..
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Zobeid Zuma: The key is, are they planning to somehow *link* SL and Steam together.
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: A good perv doesn’t mind to be called a perv 😉
[2012/09/18 15:59]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think a LOT of modders wll be impressed by what can be done with avatars in SL. After all the content choices in SL are greater than all the gamer worlds combined.
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Yes. I get the same feeling Violet.
[2012/09/18 15:59]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): no, it wouldn’t be in line with either companies strategy
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: Does this perception of Sl as the hangout for perverts have anything to do with the fact that the most popular sims have names like ‘nudysexy beach’ or ‘Hot Amsterdam’?
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): at least not unless somethign really weird happens
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: so I’ve heard, and I’m rather curious about it. Remember It should become completely obsolete if all that gets replaced by Steam’s own community
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Wallace Wirefly: oops gotta go.. good discussion…your on the right track…
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Wallace Wirefly: : ))
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: Byeee!
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn grins @ Extie — exactly!
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (bye Wallace!)
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Zobeid Zuma: I never got into the Steam “community”, I don’t even know how it works. I just use it to buy games for my Mac.
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Wallace Wirefly: bye all…Gwyneth good to see )
[2012/09/18 16:00]  MoodyLoner Korobase: bai Wallace!
[2012/09/18 16:00]  ArtCrash Exonar: Extie, I think that you are correct about that. Things are skewed by those sim numbers of concurrent avatars.
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Zobeid Zuma: And I don’t need to use Steam to buy Firestorm.
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: Although, when you go visit it is usually just people dancing.
[2012/09/18 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: likewise, Wallace 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:01]  Wallace Wirefly: Rhi keep those pots warm )
[2012/09/18 16:01]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): it has to do with teh fact that the internet, as the only Frintier in living memory, is explored, expandedm, and funded by teh sex trade, exactly like every other frintier in history, and, it gets the same COMPALINTS that every frontier has had
[2012/09/18 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo, you’re right that probably Steam has nothing to offer to *you*
[2012/09/18 16:01]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Well, there are plenty of perverts here. And that’s fine with me. 🙂 I wish there were more educators, though; a lot of instructors *want* to get involved with SL, but can’t figure it out.
[2012/09/18 16:01]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): me either
[2012/09/18 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: For me, well, I see a very slight possibility of exchanging L$ for Steam credits… 😉
[2012/09/18 16:01]  Gilles Kuhn: Ataraxia who said teacher are not too in the pervert set?
[2012/09/18 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I agree that *existing* SL users will not have a huge advantage of “being in Steam”
[2012/09/18 16:02]  Zobeid Zuma: Zobeid Zuma doesn’t see much use for “” either.
[2012/09/18 16:02]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Wallace, sorry–a little slow (in more ways than one) Keep what pots warm?
[2012/09/18 16:02]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): You could already do that in 2 steps via pay pal if you wanted to though, Gwyn
[2012/09/18 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Still, the SL groups on Steam has thousands…
[2012/09/18 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: nor do I, Zo.
[2012/09/18 16:02]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think why sexual content gets a lot of press in SL is that SL is much more accepting of it than MOST other worlds of any type.
[2012/09/18 16:02]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Well, sex sells. And it always did. That they got in trouble in puritan USA because people going after that particular activity was a thing to be expected. They probably should have thought about that from the beginning, then it might not have been that attractive at first but would have spared us all the trouble with age verifications and adult continents.
[2012/09/18 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna: yes, I know, Caitna. And pay charges twice… but I see your point.
[2012/09/18 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: hooray for LL’s enlightened attitude 😉
[2012/09/18 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yay, humans enjoy sex! What a novel concept! ㋡
[2012/09/18 16:03]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I think the reason why sexual content in SL gets a lot of press is that it’s a cheap, easy stereotype
[2012/09/18 16:03]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): ahhh, haven’t used PayPal enough to get aware of whwn they charge what
[2012/09/18 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “Look at the clock! It’s the 21st century! We’re out of the middle ages!”
[2012/09/18 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna: it’s not overwhelming, but it’s still a bit
[2012/09/18 16:03]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Yes Moody. It always makes a good headline: haha
[2012/09/18 16:03]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): People complained about the immoraslity of the West back when it was a saloon and a whore house and a general store, we got us a town!
[2012/09/18 16:03]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, some people’s clocks run a little slow
[2012/09/18 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: I indulge in quite a lot of sex, but then I have been in a relationship and partnership with somebody I love for several years. I wonder if sex between two people in a relationship outnumbers one night stands in SL?
[2012/09/18 16:03]  MoodyLoner Korobase: also, if you can’t build, code, or texture there are few options to earning L$
[2012/09/18 16:03]  ArtCrash Exonar: Name other game world that isn’t Porn company only, can you get sexual diversity? There aren’t many…..
[2012/09/18 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: sadly that’s true for a few billions, yes
[2012/09/18 16:04]  Gilles Kuhn: look about sex content its seems its ok to burn hanoi to the ground but not with pin up girl painted on the bomber : its ridiculous i think that violence is shocking even in display but why the act mimicking or doing repoduction are ?
[2012/09/18 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gilles: you’re SO right. Worth another topic 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:04]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): there’s a fair number of ways, though, yes, a lot run itno Sex trade issues. heh. I DJ though, and I know DJs who actually work at ity that make ok money
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Another game world than which one? SL?
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: Grand Theft Auto Giles. You can murder, steal, arson, abuse drugs..but when they found out there was the option to have sex THAT was when the governments became concerned:)
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Sex is something as emotionally charged as violence; it’s not either/or…but I’d rather people had happy sex than murder each other.
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, I’d have to take issue with John’s statement. I woulkd most certainly add ‘modders’ (people who like to build) on the list, too
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): You couldn’t SUPPORT yourself on it in RL, but, not too many freelance DJs in RL can support themselves on it either
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Caitna Brionnae nods to Gwyn
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Actually, I’m shocked at the omission of “nerds,” Gwyn! 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Zobeid Zuma: That’s why they invented PG-13. Extie. So they could have all the cussing and violence but no sex.
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): “Sandboxers” is another term for it.
[2012/09/18 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Note: “build” as in “creating content”
[2012/09/18 16:06]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Then of course there is violent sex…but thats another topic. heh
[2012/09/18 16:06]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Let me toss out a radical idea, and I know, i know, it’s bizaare. But maybe SL’s base are people who like to use SL?
[2012/09/18 16:06]  ArtCrash Exonar: I don’t think many of us here actually buy the idea that sex is the main think people do in SL. Do we? If I were to name one thing, I would say it is shopping.
[2012/09/18 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s not just prims and scripts 🙂 Running a community or DJ’ing is also “producing content”
[2012/09/18 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: I would have thought builders and scripters were the majority in SL. Otherwise…who provided all this content I see around me?
[2012/09/18 16:06]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): The problem is, that builders/Modders/etc do not as a whole tend to be slashy about it, or make ourselves obvuious
[2012/09/18 16:06]  Gilles Kuhn: yes zobeid so its better for 13 old people to see people killing each other than making love….
[2012/09/18 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: that was very philosophical 😀
[2012/09/18 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: no. In fact, not even 10%
[2012/09/18 16:06]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): I think the sexual aspect is a big draw, Art….but mostly I think people are here because they’re curious.
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Also, very accurate… and why the MBA’s have such a hard time fuiguring out how best to epxloit it
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The cool thing is that those 10% produce a LOT of content 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok well who are the 90%? Not..the Occupiers!?
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): WHat SL has is teh market I have come to call the “Collective MicroNiche market”
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, yeah, Gwyn; but I bet that LL has done research into what people o in SL–like sex, yes, but build, do rp, discussions, and they are catering to those types
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: they are the Consumers of Content 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now you have to explain that, Caitna!
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: yes, please do!
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Zobeid Zuma: SL is a general-purpose platform. Just like the general-purpose computer… I remember when everybody was going nuts to buy a home computer, but very few people knew what they were going to use it for. :/
[2012/09/18 16:07]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): in terms of general Niche marketing… say, “Star Trek Fans”
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): you get MILLIONS of them
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: we can only HOPE they are catering to those types 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Zobeid Zuma: Well, you can keep your recipes in it!
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): thats’ a BIG market, so, it’s profitable to make phasers and comm badges and transporters and etc
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: SL is a place. I still think SL makes most sense when you think of it in terms of a ‘place’.
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, does anyone here have any basis for thinking the lindens aren’t making a profit, like their cannual reports says they are?
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): plus people make game after game
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Zobeid Zuma: But of course we eventually figured out what computers were good for — lots of things, for lots of different people.
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna: ah, I see! I totally agree with you on that, I wrote a few articles on precisely it
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): now, then you have ME.
[2012/09/18 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And profit is feedback–if you are making a profit, you’re doing something right
[2012/09/18 16:08]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I expect if I’m still able to log in, LL is making money
[2012/09/18 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “I’m not building a game, I’m building a country” — Philip Rosedale in early 2004
[2012/09/18 16:09]  ArtCrash Exonar: OK, here is my evidence of sex not being the driving force of this place. How much of the hundred of millions of real dollars spent in SL are spent on sex devices. I would say that those products would be only a small percentage of the total.
[2012/09/18 16:09]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): I liek Star Trek, but one of my FAVORIOTE story settings is from a triology that’s virtually impossible to find any more and probably onl ya dozxen or so people in the world would want Fan Stuff
[2012/09/18 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, a good point; SL is more like the personal computer
[2012/09/18 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: Well there you go, no arguing with the big Phil.
[2012/09/18 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: HEH. A difficult question to answer 😉
[2012/09/18 16:09]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Iit’s simply not profitable for a game company or whatever to make fan stuff for The Spiral Trilogy for a dozen people
[2012/09/18 16:10]  ArtCrash Exonar: OK Gwyn how much sex stuff do you see when out shopping? It is there, but it isn’t that much.
[2012/09/18 16:10]  MoodyLoner Korobase: SL was intended, IIRC, to be the “Grid” or “Net” from 80’s cyberpunk novels.
[2012/09/18 16:10]  Zobeid Zuma: So following that analogy, LL should focus on improving the performance and *versatility* of SL, and let the users figure out what they want to do with it.
[2012/09/18 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: I think that LL’s “trouble” is: if the landmass continues to shrink, and their business model is 90%+ based on tier, will they continue to be profitable in 2013, 2014, 2015…?
[2012/09/18 16:10]  Kimiko Yiyuan: LL is not really catering to anybody except for teachers and thats because they wanted to get rif off that image that was mentioned earlier. The others are more or less left alone and can do what they want to as long as it not something that would be criminal. Or in other words: Teachers are the only ones that LL explicitly care about. For all the others it cares just with its existence and providing the means that people then use here to make their own little world, for whatever reason they might have for it.
[2012/09/18 16:10]  Gilles Kuhn: Art how do you define sex stuff? because a body which is sexued can be defined like that
[2012/09/18 16:10]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, I agree with that
[2012/09/18 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: Not much. But even plain simple clothes have ‘sexual’ content
[2012/09/18 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But alas, it’s hard to argue… lol
[2012/09/18 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: Lots of sexy, though. From what I have seen, most fashion in Sl for women is ‘I am sexy and I know it and this little number is sure gonna flaunt my hot body’.
[2012/09/18 16:11]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Sexual content is in the eye of the beholder.
[2012/09/18 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kimiko: I thought M Linden kicked teachers out? 😉
[2012/09/18 16:11]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): But if you make an environment where I can make my OWN fan stuff… and the dozen fans of the “Nice Mask” anime can make THEIR micro niche of stuff, etc, etc, etc…. the size of the COLLECTIVE micro niche marketsd becaomes profitable
[2012/09/18 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Moody: so true
[2012/09/18 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: and it does:)
[2012/09/18 16:11]  Gilles Kuhn: and good heaven whats the problem about sex but religious supertition and hypocrisy
[2012/09/18 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caitna: I fully and completely agree. And as a product/service, it’s nothing to be ‘ashamed’ of. Sometimes LL behaves as if they’re ‘ashamed’ of their niche markets.
[2012/09/18 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: We all have SL friends, and outside of a bit of playing around here and there how much of their time is spent having sex or looking for partners? It really isn’t anywhere close to the majority of time for most residents I don’t believe. I just don’t see it .
[2012/09/18 16:11]  Zobeid Zuma: Yeah extie…. Sometimes its depressing to shop the marketplace… so much slouchiness….
[2012/09/18 16:12]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): it’s teh fear of change among teh people who’ve organized their life so they don’t have to think
[2012/09/18 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: Nothing wrong. Sex is great.
[2012/09/18 16:12]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Kim, you may be right; I know that the lindens have always been very responsive to the needs of my group, and Extie, well, I guess we will find out about how well they do in the next three years
[2012/09/18 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Amen to that, Gilles 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:12]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): oh, it’s there, Art
[2012/09/18 16:12]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): just in the same places it is in “RL”… bars and dance clubs and whatnot
[2012/09/18 16:12]  ArtCrash Exonar: not as much as people think it is, Caitna
[2012/09/18 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): *Gwyn
[2012/09/18 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: I truly can’t answer with an *objective* study 🙂 But a few years ago, people estimated, based on the Marketplace, that specifically sex-related content was about 15%, I think
[2012/09/18 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: While on the Internet overall, it was closer to 18%
[2012/09/18 16:13]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): LOL. I dunno. but I wouldn’t say it’s any SIGNIFICANT amount more than they did RL before you had to worry the whatever you took home was an axe murderer thing got so bad
[2012/09/18 16:13]  ArtCrash Exonar: For example have you EVER seen a stampede of avatars at a sex shop like you see all the time at fashion stores or fashion events?
[2012/09/18 16:13]  Gilles Kuhn: as i said once in a conference in england ok there is sex in sl well there is a red light district in Brussels at 10 minute in car from the university only difference tp are almost instantaneous when they dont crash you
[2012/09/18 16:13]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Well, i am not really up to date about that Gwyn. I just know that they once cared for sure, because a while ago I helped some people with an online math academy class project and we got quite some help from LL then. But that was some time ago, so I don’t know it it is still like that. Speaks for me being rather fine here though, I guess, since I had nothing to complain about LL caring for others all the time. I never had such troubles. haha
[2012/09/18 16:13]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Not that it’s any of your business, but I haven’t come in to SL for anything besides discussion panels and Cafe Wellstone for three years now. But because I have an attractive avi, amnd I’ve been known to dress like Rhiannon, I get the “you’re here for the cyber”
[2012/09/18 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Before M Linden, oh yes. They were VERY VERY helpful.
[2012/09/18 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not really merely helpful; they were enthusiastic about teachers.
[2012/09/18 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Alas, sic transit gloria mundi…
[2012/09/18 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[2012/09/18 16:15]  Kimiko Yiyuan: I don’t even know who that M linden fella is. Should I really care, by the way? 😀
[2012/09/18 16:15]  ArtCrash Exonar: My picture of Jabba the Hut as my RL profile picture totally stops people from hitting on me! hahahapeople
[2012/09/18 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not any more, Kimiko: M is history 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Clever trick, Art! I should do the same! hehe
[2012/09/18 16:15]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): I’m hoping that the new things LL is putting in will bring in a lot of the NWN people…. my previous hang about network due to the strong user content support
[2012/09/18 16:15]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Moody, yeah, I used to get that a lot; not so much anymore
[2012/09/18 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: NWN?
[2012/09/18 16:15]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): theremnants of the old Tbaletop Gaming community, largely
[2012/09/18 16:16]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): NeverWinter Nights
[2012/09/18 16:16]  Zobeid Zuma: Zobeid Zuma grrrs at NWN. :[
[2012/09/18 16:16]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Admittedly, my SL is probably not typical, but most of the people I know are here either for the discussions, the music or to build
[2012/09/18 16:16]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Still, actually, going after 10 yrs and a run-by-the-MBA’s sequal that tanked
[2012/09/18 16:16]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Hm. I know a few Jabba the Hut types. I tell them about you Art. Maybe helps getting more social contacts here, ok? :-p
[2012/09/18 16:16]  ArtCrash Exonar: NWN and the hysterical Hamlet Au. “The Sky Is Falling” haha
[2012/09/18 16:18]  Extropia’s Antenna: Touch me for a control menu
[2012/09/18 16:18]  Confident AO – Preloaded ZHAO II: 5% memory free
[2012/09/18 16:18]  Hello!
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Teri! ❤
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And what’s NWN? lol
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): Neverwinter Nights? 😀
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Kimiko Yiyuan: They are mostly nosey Art. But cybering comes second I would assume. Otherwise I cannot explain all the naked noobs that make approaches that were hard to misunderstand.
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): and before Second Life, it was FAR and away the best user Created Content platform around
[2012/09/18 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: New World Notes blog
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “Neverwinter Nights (NWN) is a third-person role-playing video game developed by BioWare and published by Atari.” 😛
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Point: Teri
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Zobeid Zuma: Neverwinter Nights was basically a game that would allow you to play D&D over the internet with your friends. You could create your game (like a D&D module) and put it on your server, and your friends could connect….
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: did I miss anything? 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Zobeid Zuma: Fantastic idea, I wanted it badly.
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: wb Extie, and you missed Rhi putting clothes on!
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Nah, I was joking.
[2012/09/18 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar:
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): you could also rewrite huge chuks of teh game engine to make whatever environment you wanted
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Object: Hi Extropia DaSilva! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[2012/09/18 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn! My reputation!
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You can sue me for libel, Rhi 😉
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): LOL. It’s only $10 now for teh full deal, Zo ;-0
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Zobeid Zuma: But the Mac version of NWN came out late, at full price, and without any of the tools to create your own game modules. So that was a bust. A very disappointing bust.
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Extropia DaSilva: Should have said God turned up, Gwyn. I might have believed that.
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[2012/09/18 16:20]  MoodyLoner Korobase: There were people that tried to keep persistent world MMOS running with the NWN engine
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m sure he’s in SL… somewhere
[2012/09/18 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: Professor, your outfit is a mesh! heh
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Gilles Kuhn: Rhi putting clothes on THAT would be hardcore sexual perversity….
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): It is!
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): err
[2012/09/18 16:20]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Tried? LOL
[2012/09/18 16:21]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): there’s persistant worlds still goign that have been goign for 10 yrs now 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:21]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, well, he has been known to use avatars–at least two, maybe more.
[2012/09/18 16:21]  Zobeid Zuma: “We just can’t port those tools to the Mac, they use some Windows-only library for the interface!” Grr… Didn’t you think of that before you decided to use that library? No… Because the Mac doesn’t matter, it’s a Windows world anyhow.
[2012/09/18 16:21]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): well, no, it was more catered to Linux than Windows
[2012/09/18 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Zo Zo Zo..why keep fighting? get a Windows PC.
[2012/09/18 16:21]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): still, yus, teh Mac support debacle was idiotic of them
[2012/09/18 16:21]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m not going to buy a PC to play a game.
[2012/09/18 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
[2012/09/18 16:22]  ArtCrash Exonar: Serious Gamers build their own machines!
[2012/09/18 16:22]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): Professor Teri Ninetails meekly adds. “I built mine…”
[2012/09/18 16:22]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): ehh
[2012/09/18 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Whew, I’m SO glad I’m not a gamer lol
[2012/09/18 16:23]  ArtCrash Exonar: get serious, Gwyn!
[2012/09/18 16:23]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2012/09/18 16:23]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Well, you are a mad scientist <#
[2012/09/18 16:23]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): whispers: Poundheart!
[2012/09/18 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: that reminds me of “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”
[2012/09/18 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: Oo Gwyn, you mean you will not be rushing to but Halo4 or GTA5? Shame on you!
[2012/09/18 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn is merely mad
[2012/09/18 16:23]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): I really only play games for dressup and RP/socializing.
[2012/09/18 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Obviously not, Extie. Not even downloading it from Steam 😉
[2012/09/18 16:23]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): But my point was, with more rbust game tool support like pathfinding (And you’ll find pathfinding does a LOT more tahn just game stuff)… I think SL couold support more serious RP environments, for more Microniche markets, that, as I said, add up. Any one obscure book or movie or game will only have so many fans, but if you lump ALL the obscure stuff into a pile, it’s a big pile
[2012/09/18 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hear, hear, Teri 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:24]  Zobeid Zuma: Oh, Halo is another name that makes Mac users grind their teeth. 😛
[2012/09/18 16:24]  ArtCrash Exonar: I remember that book, Gwyn… It was all about the pursuit of ‘Quality’.
[2012/09/18 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Teri: new VW for you then:
[2012/09/18 16:24]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): hey, could be worse, I used to have an Amiga
[2012/09/18 16:24]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): macs got WAY more supoport and repsect than we did 😄
[2012/09/18 16:24]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): 😮 Was ist das?
[2012/09/18 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: My primary had an Amiga:) Starglider 2, best game it supported.
[2012/09/18 16:25]  Zobeid Zuma: The Amiga was the top game machine in its day, actually.
[2012/09/18 16:25]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): LOl. nuuuu no platform wars! *hudes* Sorry!
[2012/09/18 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Art: yes. And about the big split among bikers: those who love to tweak their machines because “serious bikers” should know how their machines work; and those who just get professional mechanics to tune them, because ‘serious bikers’ love to RIDE, not to spend time indoors tweaking oily bits 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:25]  Zobeid Zuma: It wasn’t until Wing Commander that everything shifted to the PC.
[2012/09/18 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, platform; smatform; what I really want to know–is where the heck Moody is?
[2012/09/18 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Teri: try it. Looks like SL on a browsers.
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): Oooh, it’s all browser-based? Neat.
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: mm hmm
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: *Extie vomits at the mere mention of the word ‘Wing Commander’.*
[2012/09/18 16:26]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Behind you. Why?
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): hee
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Teri: much nicer than CloudParty, but, alas, no user-generated content, AFAIK
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Just like to see who I’m talking to
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): I’m just sitting in teh flowers like always 😄
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): I… don’t even know what CloudParty is! 😀
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lucky you! haha
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: SL in Facebook.
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): Ah!
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I see you, or at least I can, Cait, if I move my inredibly slow camera around
[2012/09/18 16:26]  ArtCrash Exonar: Cloud party is Facebooks virtual world
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Don’t worry, nobody will in a year or two, either.
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): if there’s no user content, pffft, why would I bother?
[2012/09/18 16:26]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): What’s Facebook?
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): (KIDDING!)
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): What’s browser based?
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL! Good one!
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: Which does not run on tablets. I wish it did!
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Point: Teri 🙂
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi:
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): I do VERY rarely check my Facebook.
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Zobeid Zuma: Is it just me, or is there not as much streaming music around SL as their used to be?
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Caitna Brionnae is still, so far, successfully avoiding Facebook
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): Awww, Violet… you just give me points because we’re married.
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): hrm
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Um. I still get stream requests a lot
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It’s you, Zoe; I hear it all the time
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn has been kicked out of Facebook and needed to ‘borrow’ an account to get at least a Page.
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Zobeid Zuma: It seems like I used to be able to turn on streaming and just wander around different sims and parcels listening randomly, it was fun.
[2012/09/18 16:27]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): I keep my music off because I have no multitask ability.
[2012/09/18 16:28]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): Professorette Violet Ninetails awards Teri a point for…reasons ❤
[2012/09/18 16:28]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): I keep mine off when I’m not DJing or dancing, because I like my own taste in music better tyhan I like mosrt people’s 😄
[2012/09/18 16:28]  Professorette Violet Ninetails (ataraxia.azemus): I think there are fewer clubs….but still tons of music in SL, so.
[2012/09/18 16:28]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): Though I DO want to be a DJ at some point.
[2012/09/18 16:28]  ArtCrash Exonar: Zo, I have streaming music on this sim everywhere but on this discussion land area. But that said, the streams you put on go under at an alarming rate and need to be changed often.
[2012/09/18 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: Two minutes left, people! So what have we learned?
[2012/09/18 16:28]  Zobeid Zuma: Ah, that makes sense Art.
[2012/09/18 16:29]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): I learned what CloudParty is!
[2012/09/18 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That SL is about teachers, pervs, and content creators.
[2012/09/18 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So John is wrong.
[2012/09/18 16:29]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): That we can’t agree what the user base is, but we know that the lindens don’t know what they’re doing, in spite of being profitable and being around for 9 years
[2012/09/18 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haah Rhi. Love your sarcasm!
[2012/09/18 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And it’s 12 years actually.
[2012/09/18 16:29]  ArtCrash Exonar: I learned that most people think SL is a giant orgy and that they are clueless! haha
[2012/09/18 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, going on 13. They launched the company in 1999
[2012/09/18 16:30]  MoodyLoner Korobase: That it’s always the end of the world. Well, I knew that going in so that doesn’t count.
[2012/09/18 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Even more reason…but what was this about the 9th annviersary of SL, then?
[2012/09/18 16:30]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Well, I think SOME of them do. I tend to read Release Notes as dino tracks in the war between teh programmers and teh business dept 😄
[2012/09/18 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: SL is not LL
[2012/09/18 16:30]  ArtCrash Exonar: SL is a giant SHOPPING orgy!
[2012/09/18 16:30]  Zobeid Zuma: Well, they *do* have to be thinking about the future and where SL goes from here. “We’re profitable, let’s just keep doing the same thing.” is not a good strategy.
[2012/09/18 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: True.
[2012/09/18 16:30]  MoodyLoner Korobase: How about that LL probably has no idea what they’re doing, and that this is to date a successful business model for them.
[2012/09/18 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Moody!
[2012/09/18 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good point!
[2012/09/18 16:31]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): Caitna Brionnae giggles
[2012/09/18 16:31]  Professor Teri Ninetails (teri.ninetails): 😀 I like that.
[2012/09/18 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Philip used to admit that…
[2012/09/18 16:31]  Gilles Kuhn: sl is a orgy ok now what is against orgy ? its about fun i made lot of intellectual orgies in my life and i dont speak publicly about the others 😉
[2012/09/18 16:31]  Zobeid Zuma: But again, I think building the platform and making it versatile is more important than chasing after fashionable market segments.
[2012/09/18 16:31]  Caitna Brionnae (caitnabrionnae): In general, I think due to dithering around, has created an environment that allows support of infinately small niche markets, and has therefore tapped into a market more or less invisible to most Business Majors
[2012/09/18 16:31]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok…My time is up!
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