Thinkers May 22 2012: Implanted Mobile Phones

Extropia DaSilva: Welcome to Thinkers!
[2012/05/22 15:31]  Pamala Clift: greetings.. .. just rezzing
[2012/05/22 15:31]  Extropia DaSilva: Today the topic for discussion is….
[2012/05/22 15:31]  Extropia DaSilva: Would you have your mobile phone implanted?
[2012/05/22 15:31]  Pamala Clift: interesting question.
[2012/05/22 15:31]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Only if I got area code ‘666’
[2012/05/22 15:31]  Pamala Clift: Hi Rhi.
[2012/05/22 15:32]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): hi Pam
[2012/05/22 15:32]  Pamala Clift: Arisia
[2012/05/22 15:32]  Arisia Vita: welcome
[2012/05/22 15:32]  Chance (miss.zadark): I wouldn’t…. you’d probably get some strange tumor or a mutated form of cancer from it.
[2012/05/22 15:32]  Zobeid Zuma: Haha!
[2012/05/22 15:32]  Zobeid Zuma: I hardly ever even use my cell phone, I’m not sure why I have one.
[2012/05/22 15:32]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): really implnted or just that small size so you can gulp those down?
[2012/05/22 15:33]  Pamala Clift: I personally think I have the perfect balance.. I have my iphone on a lanyard around my neck.
[2012/05/22 15:33]  Zobeid Zuma: I only use it to make phone calls…. and I rarely make phone calls.
[2012/05/22 15:33]  Alexi Flux: Well, we have colostomy bags, so theres not a big difference…just another function
[2012/05/22 15:33]  MoodyLoner Korobase: When my phone becomes my wallet and internet access, with direct neural interface. Ten years, maybe?
[2012/05/22 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: But you would probably miss out on brain-computer interfaces confering transhuman superpowers.
[2012/05/22 15:33]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): heh, I first read about that idea in Heinlein’s Puppet Masters. Supposed to take place, well, now; only super secret spies had them, though
[2012/05/22 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Greg Stock once said he could not think of any advantage to having a computer implanted. Was he right?
[2012/05/22 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I’d want everyone else to have them though; it would vbe great hacking them
[2012/05/22 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: It seems like the “smart phone” is rapidly becoming the most ubiquitous icon of technology, and supplanting the PC (including laptops/notebooks) for most people.
[2012/05/22 15:34]  Alexi Flux: I don’t swith my phone on so it might be help for me
[2012/05/22 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: And yet, I haven’t found any use for one…. yet.
[2012/05/22 15:34]  Martin (martinnorthlove): if mobile, then with alarm clock, for the morning
[2012/05/22 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It would be of great advantage to the government; they could control people easier
[2012/05/22 15:34]  Alexi Flux: Yes gps
[2012/05/22 15:35]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I read somewhere that the cell phone is eating every other form of consumer electronics, so I guess when it gets to hearing aid/pacemaker ☆smiles☆
[2012/05/22 15:35]  Zobeid Zuma: Zobeid Zuma points –> http://www.osnews.com/story/25970/Smartphones_Reignite_the_OS_Wars
[2012/05/22 15:35]  Alexi Flux: but they control us already through facebook, Rhi
[2012/05/22 15:35]  Chance (miss.zadark): I still don’t feel the need for a smart phone… I spend the majority of my time at home. I just need a new phone. >_<
[2012/05/22 15:35]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Violet!
[2012/05/22 15:35]  Zobeid Zuma: I thought that article (and especially that first chart) was enlightening as to how phones are changing the computering landscape.
[2012/05/22 15:35]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, in my case, a phone implant does solve one problem–where do I put it?
[2012/05/22 15:35]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Hi Rhi, all 🙂
[2012/05/22 15:36]  Zobeid Zuma: Hi Violet!
[2012/05/22 15:36]  Alexi Flux: where did I put it Rhi?
[2012/05/22 15:36]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I don’t know, Alexi, I was on the phone when you mentioned it. lol
[2012/05/22 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: It would seem like the logical development, given the increasingly personal nature of computers over the generations.
[2012/05/22 15:36]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): the implanting thought surely preceded any “smartphone” developments
[2012/05/22 15:37]  Alexi Flux: Don’t let’s develop that theme, Rhi
[2012/05/22 15:37]  Pamala Clift: thats why it is on a lanyard around my neck.. I lose a black phone.. the lanyard has big glitzy diamond stuff so easy to see if I take it off.
[2012/05/22 15:37]  Chance (miss.zadark): Well, wait… The ultimate question here is what do we mean by “Implanted?” Are we putting it on our palm, so we can see it and interact physically? Or are we talking about a device physically in your head that you can take calls mentally?
[2012/05/22 15:37]  Pamala Clift: I like the glasses idea.. for augmented reality vs implant
[2012/05/22 15:37]  Alexi Flux: Yes, I use a lanyard too, but I never switch on my phone
[2012/05/22 15:37]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I’m holding out for option two, Chance.
[2012/05/22 15:37]  Martin (martinnorthlove): implanted mobiles has the advantage you need any clothes, to wear it
[2012/05/22 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: I guess I mean interfacing directly with the brain. A brain chip.
[2012/05/22 15:38]  Pamala Clift: oh.. so totally augmented thought interactions.. eeek..
[2012/05/22 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m not ready for anything plugging into my gray matter.
[2012/05/22 15:38]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): surprisingly, phones included into watches never took off
[2012/05/22 15:38]  Chance (miss.zadark): Thennnn, I’d still have to go with “No.” That’d be some risky surgery, not to mention your body can reject anything foreign.
[2012/05/22 15:38]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Of course, the advantage is no one will think I’m crazy when I talk to myself. Any more.
[2012/05/22 15:38]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): I don’t want a phone in my brain. A phone in my fingers is distracting enough.
[2012/05/22 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: But the report that inspired this discussion was about bluetooth devices implanted in the arm.
[2012/05/22 15:38]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): not even Android watches. just to awkward telephoning with a watch
[2012/05/22 15:38]  Pamala Clift: lol Moody
[2012/05/22 15:39]  Alexi Flux: Yes, Extie, but if we could interface with the brain, why interface with a mobile phone?
[2012/05/22 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon of the Birds imagines someone holding her arm up under her nose to use the Bluetooth implant, and looking like she’s wiping her nose on her sleeve as she talks on the phone
[2012/05/22 15:39]  Chance (miss.zadark): That’s a good point. Why not just develop something that makes us telepathic?
[2012/05/22 15:39]  Pamala Clift: I am thinking of Iron man helmet.. interface first.. before implant
[2012/05/22 15:39]  Alexi Flux: Need a new service provider
[2012/05/22 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: Arguably, any person with no phone is at a huge disadvantage. Would this be even more true with brian-computer interfaces effectively conferring superpowers for thos that have it?
[2012/05/22 15:39]  Martin (martinnorthlove): maybe a complete package, mobile + radio + tv
[2012/05/22 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: (haha Rhi)
[2012/05/22 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yeah, a cell phone is even more of a necessity thatn a cr or a home; you could survive without those
[2012/05/22 15:40]  Pamala Clift: everything is merging.. boy would the teachers hate that.. they couldnt tell if the student was listening or not.
[2012/05/22 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Pam, they’d just have to break down and say something interesteing, then
[2012/05/22 15:41]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): but a car or a home can include a phone, too. those technologies are no opposites
[2012/05/22 15:41]  Chance (miss.zadark): School’s would probably have some kind of tech to hault all signals and such.
[2012/05/22 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: Am I at a huge disadvantage? I have a phone, but I don’t really use it…..
[2012/05/22 15:41]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Well, when you have constant mental communication with the Internet, what’s school for?
[2012/05/22 15:41]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): I think there are a lot of benefits to not being wired all the time, Zo
[2012/05/22 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: Having it and not needing it and needing it but not having it are not the same thing, Zo.
[2012/05/22 15:41]  Chance (miss.zadark): Teaching you what’s a lie on the internet. 😛
[2012/05/22 15:41]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): luh, true, and if you have a cell phone, even if you live in a cardboard box in a park, you still really have a home–people can get ahold of you, you can call for help; get pizza delivered.
[2012/05/22 15:41]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): the consumer tendency goes into owning a secondary phone, not using that too
[2012/05/22 15:41]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Hm. Well put, Extie 🙂
[2012/05/22 15:41]  Pamala Clift: good point Moody.. they could not only record your thoughts and what you learned.. ooh the Privacy issues..ugh
[2012/05/22 15:41]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Exactly, Chance ☆smiles☆
[2012/05/22 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: I’ve also been surprised to learn how many people still don’t have internet access — and don’t want it.
[2012/05/22 15:42]  MoodyLoner Korobase: What makes you think we have privacy now?
[2012/05/22 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I saw a Sliders about a parallel universe where everyone was forced to have an internet interface, wallet, and account
[2012/05/22 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): MOre than if there was telepathy by Google
[2012/05/22 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): —->Moody
[2012/05/22 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: Actually, Rhi has a point. I remember years ago reading an essay from somebody who lived in India…. he said a lot of stuff where he lived was messed up, but if you had a *phone* you could get by.
[2012/05/22 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): So I can actually see the government mandating an implant, reassuring people with “privacy” filters, etc.
[2012/05/22 15:44]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Technology that used to be luxury often becomes a necessity
[2012/05/22 15:44]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): public watches, public telephone boothes are surely on the retreat since cellphones took over
[2012/05/22 15:44]  Martin (martinnorthlove): you can use a phone to strike nails into the wall, a head… i think….not
[2012/05/22 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Public telephone booths? Can’t remember when I saw one last–seriously.
[2012/05/22 15:44]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): Martin, I need to know your phone brand !
[2012/05/22 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: What could you achieve by implanting a phone that you could A) not achieve with a phone you simply carry around and B) is worth brain surgery?
[2012/05/22 15:45]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, probably nothing, and it will create some semblance of control.
[2012/05/22 15:45]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Well, support Net Neutrality and use personal encryption. Because I don’t see how we can not go to constant, ubiquitous Internet access for everyone.
[2012/05/22 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: seems to me those are the criteria to fill before this step is worth taking.
[2012/05/22 15:45]  Chance (miss.zadark): To me, the gamble would outweigh the luxury.
[2012/05/22 15:45]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Having a brain PDA would help with my crappy memory. But it would destroy my already shaky ability to focus on anything. Those are the pros and cons I see, assuming perfect safety and stuff.
[2012/05/22 15:46]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Well, I can think of two advantages – telepathy and augmented memory
[2012/05/22 15:46]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): these items develop to fast, still, to consider implanting. and my more crucial point: while customers still reject phone watches, we don’t need to think further about implanting
[2012/05/22 15:46]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Or, just what Violet said :))
[2012/05/22 15:46]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): 🙂
[2012/05/22 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Violet, there will be perfect saftey, and stuff, after all it will be AT&T, Bill Gates, and Google what will be providing this…
[2012/05/22 15:46]  MoodyLoner Korobase: But people don’t reject Bluetooth headsets.
[2012/05/22 15:46]  Chance (miss.zadark): Unfortunately, you would probably get charged out the ass for an implanted cell phone service.
[2012/05/22 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Moody, they can take them off, turn them off, and hey, presto, have privacy again.
[2012/05/22 15:47]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Possibly literally, Chance.
[2012/05/22 15:47]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): hehe
[2012/05/22 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: Probably have to shove a charger UP your ass when the battery runs down, too.
[2012/05/22 15:47]  Martin (martinnorthlove): sometimes the decissions easy, no brain, no mobile
[2012/05/22 15:47]  Chance (miss.zadark): Probably!
[2012/05/22 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Chance, unless the government makes it mandatory–and free!
[2012/05/22 15:47]  Pamala Clift: I have seen interfaces.. that can be accessed the internet thru tatoo ink.. that shows a hallographic 3d interfact in the air.. That sounds cool to me. smile
[2012/05/22 15:48]  Chance (miss.zadark): Pfff, they won’t make the internet free, why would they make anything else they could make so much money on free?
[2012/05/22 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Pam, really? They have ethat already?
[2012/05/22 15:48]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Rhi, the privacy war isn’t going to be won by rejecting hardware. It’s getting as vital to have a cellphone and Net access as it was to have a car.
[2012/05/22 15:48]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): the PublicTelephone Boothes civilisation index “PTBci” troubles me. If you measure civilisation by that, we do look like beeing back to the stone ages again
[2012/05/22 15:48]  Martin (martinnorthlove): with vibration alert
[2012/05/22 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Chance, by free, I mean you pay whether you use it or not–like universal health care
[2012/05/22 15:48]  Zobeid Zuma: Oh, I wonder if the RF emissions will fry your brain? That’s something we already worry about with phones *outside* our skulls.
[2012/05/22 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: They would make it free if, by doing so, they made more money elsewhere. Like Google and Facebook.
[2012/05/22 15:48]  Chance (miss.zadark): Ahhhh. Well, as long as it wasn’t adding much to taxes….
[2012/05/22 15:49]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): My last phone was free; it was an Android smart phone too.
[2012/05/22 15:49]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): You know, the one I use to get to SL when I don’t have a computer
[2012/05/22 15:49]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): I’d like to see internet access be a government service, actually….seems like the only way to get access everywhere, sadly
[2012/05/22 15:49]  Zobeid Zuma: I guess everyone could get a RF-shielded helmet, and it could have an antenna mounted on the top. And then we’d look just like all those 1930s Buck Rogers visions of the future. 😀
[2012/05/22 15:49]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): Pamela, I still hope for tattoo colors based measurements of blood sugar levels, for insuline doseage
[2012/05/22 15:50]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, I hear aluminum foil in the lining of an ordinary hat works wonders
[2012/05/22 15:50]  Pamala Clift: ooh that would be cool luh
[2012/05/22 15:50]  Martin (martinnorthlove): olala android, wasnt the terminator an android too, with implated mobile
[2012/05/22 15:51]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I would buy that at black market prices, Extropia.
[2012/05/22 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: ..
[2012/05/22 15:51]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, “Tek”
[2012/05/22 15:51]  Zobeid Zuma: It would be tempting…
[2012/05/22 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): So Pam, how does that tatoo thingie work? You have an imlant, press the tattos and get a hologram, say, of all of us waving at you?
[2012/05/22 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: ..
[2012/05/22 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: Aha so we have found one reason to adopt this tech!
[2012/05/22 15:52]  Pamala Clift: you know.. if we had that and went back in time.. you could call us Joan of Arc.. for the voices in our head..smile
[2012/05/22 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, I have to agree with William Shatner–so tempting, it will be outlawed, and you will only be able to get it on the black market. Columia “Tek” LOrds. my god
[2012/05/22 15:52]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): oh that is a special target group … those you could offer body modifications to like kitty ears in RL
[2012/05/22 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Pam, and then we’d *all* be burned at the stake by the British. Lovely.
[2012/05/22 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And I thought the present Administration in the UK was bad
[2012/05/22 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: I never read those books. (That was a book series, right?)
[2012/05/22 15:53]  Chance (miss.zadark): I’d be all over synthetic kitty ears. o:
[2012/05/22 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, book and TV series; with Shatner as a secondary character
[2012/05/22 15:53]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I read a few of the Tek novels. But I couldnt get over mentally reading them In. William. Shatner’s. Voice.
[2012/05/22 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It’s basically, a drug-crime drama, only the drug is this kind of VR you can get lost in
[2012/05/22 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: Like ‘Better THan Life’ that Red Dwarf episode?
[2012/05/22 15:54]  Zobeid Zuma: mmm…. kitty ears…..
[2012/05/22 15:54]  Pamala Clift: Funny my two reviews that were positive on Amazon for the book were from Brits.. and only a neg one in the US.. hmmm.. am I turning British? Gasp!
[2012/05/22 15:54]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): Chance, even if including a cellphone application?
[2012/05/22 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Moody, the cure is to get one of those old 78 albums, with JOe Friday’s voice, singing love songs.
[2012/05/22 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): He was a real hep cat, I hear
[2012/05/22 15:54]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Well, I’m thinking of Vurt 😛
[2012/05/22 15:54]  Chance (miss.zadark): As long as it was safe, sure!
[2012/05/22 15:55]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): (Mind fart–which an implant would cure–can think of the actor who played JOe Friday.)
[2012/05/22 15:55]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Gwyn!
[2012/05/22 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: what was that Gerry Anderson puppet show about the kid who sat in a big spinning wire globe….oh. Joe 90! Sorry…Joe friday reminded me of it..
[2012/05/22 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi 😉
[2012/05/22 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: Hey Gwyn!
[2012/05/22 15:56]  Zobeid Zuma: Hi Gwyn!
[2012/05/22 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, put me out of my misery; I can’t think of the guy’s name.
[2012/05/22 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: So far few of us would have a mobile phone implanted, except Zo who might if it meant she could experience full immersion VR.
[2012/05/22 15:56]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Hi Gwyn 🙂
[2012/05/22 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: ..It was Joe 90, Rhi.
[2012/05/22 15:56]  Pamala Clift: I am horrible with names.. I apparently can only see concepts as important.
[2012/05/22 15:56]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): luh note to self: get lightweight, always carryable bluetooth headset clip for right ear
[2012/05/22 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon of the Birds glares at Extie
[2012/05/22 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry, my mobile phone implant crashed and I couldn’t connect with my implanted SL.
[2012/05/22 15:57]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon of the Birds sighs. “I’ll just have to look it up on the internet.”
[2012/05/22 15:57]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Jack Webb?
[2012/05/22 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: No…The Show was called Joe 90.
[2012/05/22 15:57]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yeah, that’s it, Moody!
[2012/05/22 15:57]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I looked it up on the Internet ❤
[2012/05/22 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: ..oh you meant another show. Sorry Rhi!
[2012/05/22 15:57]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I’m horrible with names too…
[2012/05/22 15:57]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeah, I was going to when you blurted it out. And no, you can’t full me, Extie. It was named Dragnet
[2012/05/22 15:58]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I’m smart; I just couldn’t remember an old show from the sixties is all
[2012/05/22 15:58]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): I have these moments so, so often every day, where I need to know some bit of minutae, and I think “I’ll Google that later”…..having a search engine in my brain would be like a mental illness for me
[2012/05/22 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent!
[2012/05/22 15:58]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Violet, yeah, I google everything now.
[2012/05/22 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: If you could have total recall of any fact, any name etc is that worth implanting a computer?
[2012/05/22 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn wonders if implanted mobile phones will have access lists for only the numbers we wish to talk to
[2012/05/22 15:59]  Pamala Clift: Yep.. just the facts mame.
[2012/05/22 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: If everyone around you had that capability, would you even be able to function as an equal?
[2012/05/22 15:59]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, not really; i can have that with my cell phone
[2012/05/22 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, to be honest, my only worry is that I don’t trust mobile phone builders and operators *today*. They send far too much data already. What would they do if they could access our *thoughts*…
[2012/05/22 16:00]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Mm, Gwyn
[2012/05/22 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In-brain Google ads? MMh. No thanks.
[2012/05/22 16:00]  Pamala Clift: I ask Sire.. smile.. he knows nothing and will tell you blantantly.. should I look that up for you?
[2012/05/22 16:00]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Extropia, that’s what I mean when I can’t see it not happening. The pressure would be too great
[2012/05/22 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *that+s* what worries me mostly, actually
[2012/05/22 16:00]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, I’m wondering if in the middle of a telepathic conference, there might be, on the sides, advertisements for shoes. You know, like going to a mall in Minority Report?
[2012/05/22 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Assuming that we could keep companies honest, well, sure
[2012/05/22 16:01]  Martin (martinnorthlove): does an impMoile need an auto answering
[2012/05/22 16:01]  MoodyLoner Korobase: We can’t keep them honest now, Qwyneth ☆smiles☆
[2012/05/22 16:01]  Zobeid Zuma: I hate ads.
[2012/05/22 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi, of course. If we have that today on mobile phones, we would have that tomorrow on brain implants.
[2012/05/22 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Moody: exactly 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes Rhi. How would you distinguish between your own impulse ‘hmm I could use a Pepsi right now!’ and mind control from the implant?
[2012/05/22 16:01]  Zobeid Zuma: One thing that bugs me is that so much of the internet is ad-driven.
[2012/05/22 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No profiling my brain and selling it to Russian scamsters, thank you very much!
[2012/05/22 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: complain to Google!
[2012/05/22 16:01]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I go to check my email–in an alternative account, and get ads to help with bloating, diet back to when I was anorexic, shoes, purses, everything…
[2012/05/22 16:02]  Pamala Clift: My work is human/computer interface psychology.. actually and I am having difficulty explaining IMs to many.. I can not even imagine getting the human race to step eagerly into that step…. there would be an instant division between the have and have nots.
[2012/05/22 16:02]  Zobeid Zuma: Of course, I do put adblock on my browsers….
[2012/05/22 16:02]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): The ones that get to me are the breast enlargement (I’m a size D alkredy, thank you very much) right next to the penis enlargers
[2012/05/22 16:02]  Zobeid Zuma: I wish I could get adblock for my TV and phone too.
[2012/05/22 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, and anti-adblocks get smarter all the time. I’m still stumped at ‘bots that go through CAPTCHA thingies as if they weren’t there.
[2012/05/22 16:02]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, use a DVR; and fast forward those ads
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol, Rhi 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Zobeid Zuma: Yes, I like my DVR!
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: They are smarter than I am, Gwyn. I often fail CAPTCHA.
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Rhi, your ads are suspiciously normal…..the targeted ads I see in Gmail are always like, “GO BACK TO CLOWN SCHOOL ONLINE!” “BULK BARRELS OF KITTENS”…
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh Extie
[2012/05/22 16:03]  MoodyLoner Korobase: We may have to cultivate different personas. We do this, in a way, now. Work Me is a lot different from Bikini (or Bikiniless;) ) Second Life Me
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Pamala Clift: Hey.. I was a clown.. watch it.. *wink*
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (unless you work on the beach, Moody 🙂 )
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: yes Moody. I am not the same person as my primary.
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Pam, I think all the more of you for it 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:03]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yeah, no clown, stripper, or hooker put downs, puh-lease
[2012/05/22 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: I had a forum protected by CAPTCHA, and even though I switched to different variants, the bots kept getting through. Then I switched to a question-based system, and that stopped it cold.
[2012/05/22 16:04]  Pamala Clift: Hugs, Violet..
[2012/05/22 16:04]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): What do you mean, a question based system?
[2012/05/22 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also mmh… I have no clue what kind of positioning data my mobile phone is constantly sending…. but at least I can turn it off and leave it at home, What about a brain implant? Could it be “switched off”?
[2012/05/22 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: ‘Are you a bot’ (no) ok then!
[2012/05/22 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: To register they had to name one of the admins of the MUCK, which meant they had to login to the MUCK first to get the answer.
[2012/05/22 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Zo… good one 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:05]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, exactly, you do have control over the cell phone; leave it turned off at home, if nothing else. Even if the government activates it as a spy device, putting it in your toilet should fix that
[2012/05/22 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: Do you mean ‘will they allow you to turn it off’ or ‘is it possible in principle’?
[2012/05/22 16:05]  Pamala Clift: so tell me.. if we have this implant.. do our horizontal mumbas get recorded for the world as well?
[2012/05/22 16:05]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): (And they can with the latest ones, with one of those secret warrants)
[2012/05/22 16:05]  MoodyLoner Korobase: They’ll tell us it can. Like they telll us we can turn the GPS off on our phones now. A Moody Loner views both of these…skeptically
[2012/05/22 16:06]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon of the Birds notices that being a clown is fine by Violet, but not a hooker or stripper
[2012/05/22 16:06]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): This is kind of making me think of The Final Cut….the Robin Williams movie where people have brain implants that record their lives….
[2012/05/22 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: yes. And in theory you might even rewire your phone, or jailbreak it, etc. Would you be able to do that on a brain implant? “Warning! This brain implant will selçf-destruct now that you’re tampering with it! Remember, on the ToS we’re not liable if your brain is melted down as a result”.
[2012/05/22 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scary,.
[2012/05/22 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: ..What about telempathy? The ability to tune on on someone’s emotional states no matter where in the world they are? Feel what she or he feels?
[2012/05/22 16:06]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Moody, well, I believe that, as there are too many things the government wants that wouldn’t make sense unless we still had control over our phones
[2012/05/22 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh Violet… I never saw that…
[2012/05/22 16:06]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Open source brain implants ☆smiles☆
[2012/05/22 16:06]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): I didn’t say that, Rhi; but clowns get mad props 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:06]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, well, we’d all have to learn those SF techniques to shield oure emotions.
[2012/05/22 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Honestly, Rhi, I’m more worried about companies than governments these days.
[2012/05/22 16:07]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Ditto, Gwyn
[2012/05/22 16:07]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Violet, and hookers don’t? Let me tell you sometime…
[2012/05/22 16:07]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, yes, companies would have greater access, both legally and technically
[2012/05/22 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: I like the general idea, assuming it’s feasible, but, again… I wouldn’t trust Apple for my implants 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: Well…I mean it is an opt in/ out thing, like getting partnered in SL. Seren and I would agree to telempathically link and remain linked until such time as we no longer love one another.
[2012/05/22 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But you create different personas; and then even though you get all sorts of different ads per persona, they can’t really figure you out
[2012/05/22 16:08]  MoodyLoner Korobase: We’re going to have to fight for privacy through the legal system. Because the technology to make the world the worst cyberpunk urban dystopia is coming
[2012/05/22 16:08]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Check that, it’s already here.
[2012/05/22 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: the problem , Extie, is… what happens if you want to opt out but Seren doesn’t? 🙂 Who gets to burn the other’s brain implant first, with all the surrounding grey goo? 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:08]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Yay meathook future!
[2012/05/22 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Moody: aye, aye, I hear you 😛
[2012/05/22 16:08]  MoodyLoner Korobase: And all governments need is the will to use what’s present
[2012/05/22 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Moody, not just through the legal system. Daily. Just if we have to click things
[2012/05/22 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But quantum encryption is just around the corner. Yay! Can hardly wait
[2012/05/22 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that the problem with technology these days is that it looks *awesome* on the lab.
[2012/05/22 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then it gets abused by the companies and governments that relase it to the public.
[2012/05/22 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: …errrr…well the chip will learn to be me and it will generate a puppet Extropia indistinsguishable from real me. Seren would unknowingly carry on with her.
[2012/05/22 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Look at TV… “this will be a cultural breakthrough! the masses will be able to watch theatre and opera performances from their homes!”
[2012/05/22 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Instead, we get “the biggest loser” 😛
[2012/05/22 16:10]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, have something even the chip wouldn’t know.
[2012/05/22 16:10]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Exactly, Rhi. We’ll need to be active, pay attention, vote with our money, make informed choices about privacy. Because apathy will soon be too expensive.
[2012/05/22 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: until Seren uploads a hack that sees through your puppet 😉
[2012/05/22 16:10]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): a Windows 8 based implant
[2012/05/22 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: eek
[2012/05/22 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: She probably would. She is very smart:)
[2012/05/22 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn crosses her fingers to avert evil
[2012/05/22 16:11]  Pamala Clift: I am really concerned if there COULD be an ethical entity to have control of such a device.. implanted ..
[2012/05/22 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uh oh
[2012/05/22 16:11]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Moody, like one proposal by Clinton, where you can encrypt your email, but if you don’t, then it’s public and can be surveilled without a warrant
[2012/05/22 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Imagine tele-evangelists buying access to Google-branded brain implants….
[2012/05/22 16:11]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Extie, what you see as a problem I see as the preferred endgame. ☆smiles☆
[2012/05/22 16:11]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, that will sink the idea right there
[2012/05/22 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uh-huh
[2012/05/22 16:12]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Heinlein again–this time, the one where a Theocracy takes over, using advanced psychology techniques
[2012/05/22 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yay for Heinlein lol
[2012/05/22 16:12]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Rhi, that’s the way it is now, in effect. The only thing keeping your email from being read constantly are the ethics of the sysadmins at your Internet provider.
[2012/05/22 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well sort of, Moody. You can still run your own mail server 😉
[2012/05/22 16:12]  Zobeid Zuma: It irks me that PGP never caught on widely, and most email still works on the “postcard” model.
[2012/05/22 16:13]  Pamala Clift: Wouldn’t we be getting back to the Plato astrocrisy of who is in charge?
[2012/05/22 16:13]  Zobeid Zuma: Although, technically *most* email is spam anyhow.
[2012/05/22 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: PGP has flaws but there are other alternatives, it’s just that people don’t use them.
[2012/05/22 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo, indeed
[2012/05/22 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Moody, yeah, that was the argument; and at least they have to have a secret warrant to monitor you now (the government, that is). I’m sure my internet and email are monitored by companies–as I have several different personas on the internet, and they each get different ads
[2012/05/22 16:13]  MoodyLoner Korobase: And if you send mail to another mail server, unencrypted, you’re implicitly trusting that sysadmin not to read it
[2012/05/22 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: In ‘Ghost In The Shell’ people have cyberbrains and criminals can implant entire false histories and memories so you unwittingly carry out crimes for them.
[2012/05/22 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, yeah, like those drugs given unwitting mules in Columbia
[2012/05/22 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, Extie… and today, people steal email addresses and send scams with your name on them. Same thing, just slightly less techie
[2012/05/22 16:14]  MoodyLoner Korobase: So do I , Rhi, and it’s informative when I get email targeted at my typist. And vice versa.
[2012/05/22 16:14]  Pamala Clift: oh you are all merged Rhi.. easily done so by your IP address.
[2012/05/22 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: … unless she uses Tor
[2012/05/22 16:14]  Pamala Clift: I gave up on secrecy.
[2012/05/22 16:14]  Pamala Clift: Tor?
[2012/05/22 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s what They expect you to do, Pamala
[2012/05/22 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, that crazy system developed to make the origin of your connection untraceable.
[2012/05/22 16:15]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Proxy thingy. It smells like onions.
[2012/05/22 16:15]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Pam, well…my IP address is different on my desktop, my lap top, my alt accounts here in SL, when I go on at the place I get my tires rotated, the public library, my student’s house…
[2012/05/22 16:15]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Not so easy if you deliberately confuse them
[2012/05/22 16:15]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Back to Moody’s point that we have to *consciously* protect our privacy these days
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I plug into different servers even in my house on SL
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Pamala Clift: that is an illusion I would hate to test.. knowing the geeks I know.. sigh.
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): There are anonymizer programs
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Pamala Clift: I have two different service providers
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: ‘Kids these days’ seem less concerned about privacy, if what I hear about postings on FB are true. So do you think THEIR kids will be even less concerned?
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, trap them, so that if they do trace you down, they are very, very sorry. Hey, that would be a great novel; thanks for the idea, Pam
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Sort of like Death Wish, only cyberpunk
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Pamala Clift: until Big Brother takes over.. oooOOOoooohhh. lol
[2012/05/22 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: George Orwell is rotating in his coffin…
[2012/05/22 16:17]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Even if you’re careful, online privacy is difficult….but you can make the effort to violate it harder
[2012/05/22 16:17]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): so we drifted from the technology constraints onto the political scenario of implanted communication devices
[2012/05/22 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Big Brother IS here. He’s called Google, and knows far more about you than Orwell’s Big Brother did about their citizens.
[2012/05/22 16:17]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Pam, you’re showing your age–the big threat now is not from Big Brother, who can be hacked and shut down, but by companies on the net
[2012/05/22 16:17]  MoodyLoner Korobase: The more of us take these steps, the harder it will be for “them” to get our information, and the safer it will be for implants ☆smiles☆
[2012/05/22 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: luh: yes. Because I have no problem with the technology, really.
[2012/05/22 16:18]  Martin (martinnorthlove): yes right, google your sl name you find more information as you are thinking
[2012/05/22 16:18]  Pamala Clift: idealistically. Hell Yeah.. I want everything and anything to make me better.. give me greater access.. talk multiple languages.. Matrix .. download me.. lol
[2012/05/22 16:18]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Heh, one time I got anonymizer to trace my IP address; they got it *totally* wrong. It was funny
[2012/05/22 16:18]  Extropia DaSilva: So for our generation a mobile phone is..well we would rather not have it but you kind of have to, whereas for our children you have GOT to have it! It is ESSENTIAL! You cannot LIVE without it. And maybe they will see implants like WE see mobile phones and THEIR kids will deem it essential?
[2012/05/22 16:18]  Zobeid Zuma: Privacy is such an abstract concern…. and there are advantages to sharing info about yourself….
[2012/05/22 16:18]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I Google my names weekly. Everyone should.
[2012/05/22 16:19]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Exactly, Extropia. That’s what I mean when I say itr’s coming.
[2012/05/22 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, some places, girls put chips in for credit cards, so they can be nearly naked, or naked, at fun resorts
[2012/05/22 16:19]  Martin (martinnorthlove): google your name, and you know yourself better, hahahahaha
[2012/05/22 16:19]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): Orwell’s Big Brother at least did not intended to influence customers with ads? Uh oh no, can answer myself. Any absolutistical government does more to their pupils than advertisement companies intent to press upon them
[2012/05/22 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: If I google my name I get information on an eye disease known as exotropia.
[2012/05/22 16:19]  Pamala Clift: well my real name is so common.. it actually HIDES me.. my internet presences however.. jumps right to the top.
[2012/05/22 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s ironic that Gibson’s “Neuromancer” was written in…. 1984. Showing the future as a cyberpunk dystopia where the real information owners are corporations, not governments.
[2012/05/22 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I did google my name; found out not only am I an author (which is true), but a physicist, the nude lead singer for an all girl band, a physicists, a ship…
[2012/05/22 16:20]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): ONe of the major people in the NRA
[2012/05/22 16:20]  Zobeid Zuma: Orwell thought privacy would be taken from us — not that we’d weigh the pros and cons and decide to give it up.
[2012/05/22 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You’re a nude lead singer of an all girl band?? hahahahaha
[2012/05/22 16:20]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Yes, Gwyneth. This is why I tell people it was a lot more fun reading about near-future urban dystopias than living in them.
[2012/05/22 16:20]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Published in 1985 though, right?….even though it’s pretty dystopian, there’s still lots of humanity in the Sprawl books 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo: you’re right. The current trend is far more pernicious than what Orwell thought!
[2012/05/22 16:20]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeah, and there are nude pictures of me out there, that are truely of me. I did some modelling that will be there for my grandchildren to see
[2012/05/22 16:20]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Orwell pretty much called it.
[2012/05/22 16:20]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): “Hmm, great ta-ta’s, Grandma; get a lot of action?”
[2012/05/22 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww Rhi
[2012/05/22 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Everyone in SL should read Gibson’s ‘Idoru’.
[2012/05/22 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I totally agree, Extie 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:21]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Every now and then, Khannea finds one and posts it. ONly she can’t agree on which ones are me; so they’re different each time.
[2012/05/22 16:21]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Everyone should read Gibson 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now I’m confused, Rhi… hehe
[2012/05/22 16:21]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, oh, good; it’s working. lol
[2012/05/22 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You’ll have to explain how there are “pictures of you” out there who are not really “your pictures”…
[2012/05/22 16:22]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): That’s what I mean, I’ve just confused you~and you know me~imagine a government or a corporation trying to figure it out
[2012/05/22 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: Do we find it easier to imagine bad coming from new technology?
[2012/05/22 16:22]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Anyway, time for me to get going…..goodnight, everyone 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: bye!
[2012/05/22 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (bye Violet)
[2012/05/22 16:22]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ok, they’ll all mine; leave me alone! lol
[2012/05/22 16:22]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): bye, Vi!
[2012/05/22 16:23]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Woosh!
[2012/05/22 16:23]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Bye Violet
[2012/05/22 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: It does seem like a mahority of this discussion has been spent on dystopian outcomes.
[2012/05/22 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don’t see “bad” coming from *new technology*, but from the people *exploring* it.
[2012/05/22 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The sad bit, Extie, is that dystopia is Here Today.
[2012/05/22 16:23]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): cellphone firmware made us thought about dystopian dellusions. Partially the Android update cycles
[2012/05/22 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And it’s called Business As Usual.
[2012/05/22 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, yeah; there will be great advances, they will create new dangers, and there will be new police trying to stop the dangers
[2012/05/22 16:23]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Technology is not inherently evil.
[2012/05/22 16:23]  Zobeid Zuma: If you want to talk dystopian, how about “flesh eating bacteria”…. in your BRAIN!
[2012/05/22 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly, Moody!
[2012/05/22 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zo! lol
[2012/05/22 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hmmm, sounds like a game.
[2012/05/22 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): “Flesh eating bacteria–at your job”
[2012/05/22 16:24]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): but but … they would *starve* in the void
[2012/05/22 16:24]  MoodyLoner Korobase: I’m willing to accept the risks if it’s one step closer to moving to a virtual existence ☆smiles☆
[2012/05/22 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Aboot and Costello meet–flesh eating bacteria
[2012/05/22 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Imagine that as part of your mobile phone brain implant as a DRM device! “Don’t upload pirated ringtones OR WE WILL RELEASE THE BACTERIA!”
[2012/05/22 16:24]  Extropia DaSilva: Me too, Moody!
[2012/05/22 16:24]  Zobeid Zuma: And nobody’s developing new antibiotics, because there’s no money in it. (The real money is in chronic conditions — getting you on a drug you’ll take the rest of your life.)
[2012/05/22 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: Gosh, another digital person. So rare to meet one these days.
[2012/05/22 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwn, well, there you go; you’ve just solved the problem of property rights on the net
[2012/05/22 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): How to enforce them.
[2012/05/22 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahahahaha
[2012/05/22 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Copyright violations—->release the flesh eating bacteria
[2012/05/22 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Son of SOPA
[2012/05/22 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: … all this conversation is being stored by LL’s servers…. indexed by Google… and somewhere someone is creating a new product 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:25]  MoodyLoner Korobase: So once I have my memories and personality in the secure digital store, I slam the door by pirating a Metallica album. Ah, tradition :))
[2012/05/22 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: And Ivy is sending it to her blog via that screen over there, Gwyn.
[2012/05/22 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That would be your last conscious thought 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh Extie…
[2012/05/22 16:26]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): okay if you are listening:
[2012/05/22 16:26]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): implement the nano color particles based tattoo for measuring blood sugar levels
[2012/05/22 16:26]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yep, Gwyn, I’m I’m optimistic enough that it will be “Tired of worrying about flesh eating bacteria? With our new implant, you will not only know where you are at all times, but you will eliminate braing grudge. Call now, for a free trial…Or better yet; click on your brain stem for…”
[2012/05/22 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: eek
[2012/05/22 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head*
[2012/05/22 16:27]  Martin (martinnorthlove): implanting new brains, is the next step
[2012/05/22 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Can we get an open source brain? 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): “In this economy, with it’s lack of new stimulation, try our new Cherry flavored Brain Implant. You may not get that job you want, but you won’t care…”
[2012/05/22 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok well it is nearly time up so final comments please….what is your reason for/ against implants?
[2012/05/22 16:28]  MoodyLoner Korobase: Well, having a working brain implant phone solves a lot of the problems with virtualizing people.
[2012/05/22 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: For: the technology is way cool. Against: the companies that will sell them.
[2012/05/22 16:28]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, mine is just that it would be too hard to control invasions; I’m all for some kind of brain-computer interface; maybe in an earring or something
[2012/05/22 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: My reason for is to monitor my primary’s brain so I can learn to copy it and live on when my primary expires.
[2012/05/22 16:28]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): Against: technology lifecycles
[2012/05/22 16:28]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Maybe there would be a socket in your skull; you can put in the chip or take it out at will. That would be ok
[2012/05/22 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: it will only copy the parts that interface with it anyway…
[2012/05/22 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: Against…400 messages an hour direct to the brain would be awful!
[2012/05/22 16:29]  Zobeid Zuma: Is there something wrong with the system to explain why distrust towards big corporations has become so widespread?
[2012/05/22 16:29]  luh (luisa.bourgoin): you know recently I’ve seen an elder man with two skull sockets, for an artificial hearing aid
[2012/05/22 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm Rhi. Depends on how ‘deep’ the implant goes. A hacker might send you a virus that will remove your ability to take the plug out 🙂
[2012/05/22 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: Well my implant is a cyber nervous system that touches every single neuron.
[2012/05/22 16:30]  Zobeid Zuma: I mean, I can understand fear and loathing towards Microsoft…. and possibly Sony…
[2012/05/22 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): As far as virtual reality indistinguisible from physical reality, as long as they put a signature in, like an evil clown (no offense, Pam, but there was a British TV series like that; the detective always knew she was hallucinating when the clown showed up)
[2012/05/22 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then it will be able to measure electrochemical activity only…. boring
[2012/05/22 16:30]  Zobeid Zuma: But Google? Facebook? Twitter? Hmm, I just don’t know.
[2012/05/22 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok my time is up!
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