THINKERS 3rd APRIL 2012: SEX IN A STATE OF NATURE

Extropia DaSilva: Welcome to Thinkers!
[2012/04/03 15:32]  Hiryo: The “GAME” sims.. had NO goals..
[2012/04/03 15:32]  Hiryo: no rulesd
[2012/04/03 15:32]  Hiryo: rules
[2012/04/03 15:32]  Hiryo: yet is still a game
[2012/04/03 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Today we shall discuss the following topic…
[2012/04/03 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: What would sex be like without inhibitions, taboos, and the collective weight of civilisation?
[2012/04/03 15:32]  ArtCrash Exonar: By no definition is SL a game we can discuss it later.
[2012/04/03 15:32]  Strix6: it is a gam – the rule is that Linden Labs should get money
[2012/04/03 15:32]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): use it for biz
[2012/04/03 15:32]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): and for learning social rules
[2012/04/03 15:32]  darcon Xue: Sex would be divine 🙂
[2012/04/03 15:33]  Gentle Caress (zapotek.dryke): night I love you healing and you all
[2012/04/03 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: It is a game if you want it to be. But that is not my topic so move on, please:)
[2012/04/03 15:33]  Zobeid Zuma: Didn’t Steve Martin do a thing about that?
[2012/04/03 15:33]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): Nini
[2012/04/03 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: did he?
[2012/04/03 15:33]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): I don’t know
[2012/04/03 15:33]  ArtCrash Exonar: Sex would be continuous and random without those rules, I would think.
[2012/04/03 15:33]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): depends…..
[2012/04/03 15:33]  Zobeid Zuma: “I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy.” — Steve Martin
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: random, how?
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Hiryo: Wouldn’t people get bored with sex though if it was continuous?
[2012/04/03 15:34]  ArtCrash Exonar: See person, get excited have sex.
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Chloe
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Zobeid Zuma: Which is not actually the big I was thinking of, but Google coughed it up. 😀
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Hiryo: Let alone not wanting to pee or poo in or on people.. at least.. not all.
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): Hi
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Strix6: I never had sex for money and never got money for sex
[2012/04/03 15:34]  darcon Xue: to discover a divine love beyond all sexual imagining.
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: well there would still be biological constraints.
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, yes, Hiryo; I was going to say, sex without inhibitations would end up boring. Although I know some guys like the same motions over and over again, I think that’s against a background of scarcity
[2012/04/03 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): You don’t pay for something in abundance
[2012/04/03 15:34]  ArtCrash Exonar: Yes, cycles of hormones would control behavior.
[2012/04/03 15:35]  Strix6: But sex ties me to a person
[2012/04/03 15:35]  darcon Xue: The key to the mystery of divine love is to see love as it is, and not as you think it or imagine it.
[2012/04/03 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: I might go a while wihout encountering anyone I fancy.
[2012/04/03 15:35]  Hiryo: 😄
[2012/04/03 15:35]  Hiryo: I am dumbfounded on this.
[2012/04/03 15:35]  darcon Xue: The cause of most of the unhappiness on earth is that man and woman have actually forgotten how to make physical love. This is the greatest tragedy of all time.
[2012/04/03 15:35]  ArtCrash Exonar: what?
[2012/04/03 15:35]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): Same Striz
[2012/04/03 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: But is that possible? How can I see anything other than in terms of my own thoughts/ imagination?
[2012/04/03 15:35]  ArtCrash Exonar: I haven’t forgotton!
[2012/04/03 15:35]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): strix
[2012/04/03 15:36]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): My first thought was when I worked the streets, it seemed no one got tired of sex without inhibitions, but you pay for sex on the streets. That means you’re not getting enough of it, so that means inhibitions.
[2012/04/03 15:36]  ArtCrash Exonar: Why should I have sex according to someone else’s rules of what is good or bad sex?
[2012/04/03 15:36]  darcon Xue: The forgetfulness has been going on and slowly getting worse for so many thousands of years that it’s now a tragedy for the whole of mankind.
[2012/04/03 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: What have men and women forgotten, Darcon?
[2012/04/03 15:36]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): My second thought was Marcuse’s idea–that “surplus” repression is needed for capitalism, and that in a completely free (i.e., communist) society, we’d all be ploymorphous.
[2012/04/03 15:37]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): Soul ties, Art, soul ties
[2012/04/03 15:37]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think if you observe a pack of chimpanzees, you see that when you remove the veil of culture, sex is casual and frequent.
[2012/04/03 15:37]  darcon Xue: They forrget to keep their minds out of bed 🙂
[2012/04/03 15:37]  darcon Xue: Sex is what body knows doing 🙂
[2012/04/03 15:38]  darcon Xue: but mind mess with it all
[2012/04/03 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: But jealousy is an evolutionary trait, I think so that would exist even if the cultural constraints on sex and love were removed.
[2012/04/03 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: OK, I think I found what I was looking for.
[2012/04/03 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, is it evolutionary, or a product of a class society, where your possessions define you?
[2012/04/03 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: .Steve Martin: “I actually learned about sex watching neighborhood dogs. And it was good. Go ahead and laugh. No, go ahead. But animals are very instinctive, very natural in the way they approach sex.”
[2012/04/03 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: Steve Martin: “I think the most important thing I learned was: Never let go of the girl’s leg no matter how hard she tries to shake you off.”
[2012/04/03 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, is tht why you’re an ocelot?
[2012/04/03 15:39]  ArtCrash Exonar: Doesn’t jealousy arise from seeing the other as property?
[2012/04/03 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: Evolutionary. A drake will follow a duck around posessively because it cannot stand the thought of another drake getting in and making his woman pregnant. Jealousy.
[2012/04/03 15:39]  darcon Xue: This requires pure love. It does not depend on technique. A man may develop his sexual technique but he cannot use expertise to make divine love.
[2012/04/03 15:39]  Keesha Lenroy: I agree Ex….jealousy due to the survival of the fittest…..cave man needed a strong woman …he couldn’t afford to loose her…..his survival depended on her
[2012/04/03 15:40]  ArtCrash Exonar: ha ha Zob!
[2012/04/03 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Art, that’s what I’m thinking
[2012/04/03 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Wilma has always been my role model, Keesha; right up there with Hillary
[2012/04/03 15:40]  ArtCrash Exonar: I’m thinking that ‘divine love’ is a projection of the imagination onto sex…..
[2012/04/03 15:40]  darcon Xue: Exciting sensations are gratifying and give him a form of authority, but they are not the love that woman craves.
[2012/04/03 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Wilma Flintsone
[2012/04/03 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: how so, Art?
[2012/04/03 15:41]  darcon Xue: e may satisfy her, like a good meal. But soon she hungers again and eventually despises her appetite or herself, because she knows she is not being loved.
[2012/04/03 15:41]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): sighs divine love is not all about sex
[2012/04/03 15:41]  darcon Xue: He
[2012/04/03 15:41]  ArtCrash Exonar: Well, one can ascribe all sorts of things to sex or really,… anything. And this projection can seem as meaningful as you want to believe it to be.
[2012/04/03 15:41]  Strix6: I have been with many women in RL – too many in my own opinion – and every time you have a new woman you have to learn sex anew again – it is so individual!
[2012/04/03 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): HOw can divine love be about sex? God only has had one copulation in 6 000 years and he still loves us
[2012/04/03 15:42]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): hahahaha,
[2012/04/03 15:42]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): that’s what am saying it’s not about the sex
[2012/04/03 15:42]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): 🙂
[2012/04/03 15:42]  darcon Xue: do you think god is not there in you time Rhia?
[2012/04/03 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: That is because everyone’s body is unique, strix so what is great for one woman is painful for another and indifferent to yet another.
[2012/04/03 15:42]  ArtCrash Exonar: Good sex comes from people who don’t worry about their bodies or their perfomance and who live in the moment of it.
[2012/04/03 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Seriously, Diotima used divine love to show tht love is eternal; it bridges the gap of mortality; it is not about anything physical, even though it can manifest itself physical–like in a divine madness
[2012/04/03 15:43]  Strix6: Yes exactly Extropia
[2012/04/03 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): darcon, I think divine love transcends the physical; that’s all I’m saying.
[2012/04/03 15:43]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): Ditto
[2012/04/03 15:43]  Strix6: and not only physically different – but different in the mind too
[2012/04/03 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: In SL good sex is two halves of an erotic fiction that fit seamlessly together. When that happens it is like your partner is reading your mind and knows your every desire.
[2012/04/03 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And even though I gave a joking example, the fact that God manifested himself sexually only once, shows that
[2012/04/03 15:44]  Hiryo: I have a odd question, please.. no one make fun of me… does body type, such as height or weight.. effect the feeling of which it is during sex? Or is it the same for all based on the size of the sexual part itself?
[2012/04/03 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But we’re talking sex, not love
[2012/04/03 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: we can talk about love, too.
[2012/04/03 15:44]  Strix6: God made one cell and told it “EVOLVE”
[2012/04/03 15:44]  ArtCrash Exonar: That said, I think that anticipation and rarity add to the experience somewhat.
[2012/04/03 15:45]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): LOve without inhibitions? Sex without inhibitions? Don’t people see the difference?
[2012/04/03 15:45]  darcon Xue: Sex is joy, and many of us have made sex everything else but.
[2012/04/03 15:45]  Strix6: I must go now
[2012/04/03 15:45]  Hiryo: whispers: Strix, would this.. body here.. have any effect on your performance/
[2012/04/03 15:45]  Strix6: wirk time
[2012/04/03 15:45]  Hiryo: ?
[2012/04/03 15:45]  Hiryo: Aww
[2012/04/03 15:45]  Keesha Lenroy: maybe there weren’t enough virgins around Rhia….was a wild time back then…
[2012/04/03 15:45]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And being a sumo wrestler humping the air by me is dangerously close to sexual harassment, you know
[2012/04/03 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: Bye!
[2012/04/03 15:45]  ArtCrash Exonar: Love and sex CAN be related, but don’t have to be necessarily, no?
[2012/04/03 15:46]  Hiryo: 😄
[2012/04/03 15:46]  Hiryo: I am cute now.
[2012/04/03 15:46]  Hiryo: Changed.
[2012/04/03 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Cute is better, Hiryo
[2012/04/03 15:46]  Hiryo: I was doing that just for fun.
[2012/04/03 15:46]  Hiryo: hehehe
[2012/04/03 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Cute gets cuttled
[2012/04/03 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): *Cuddled
[2012/04/03 15:46]  Hiryo: Then I will go super cute.. owl. ^.,^
[2012/04/03 15:46]  ArtCrash Exonar: Love with sex can be a shared intimacy, that which you don’t do with others therefore making it special.
[2012/04/03 15:47]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): I love owls
[2012/04/03 15:47]  Hiryo: =)
[2012/04/03 15:47]  ArtCrash Exonar: But do you ‘love’ owls? heh
[2012/04/03 15:47]  darcon Xue: Sex is an extraordinary expression of love -love of another, love of self, love of life. You ought therefore love it!
[2012/04/03 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: I do, Darcon:)
[2012/04/03 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, but what about the question, darcon. I think we can all agree to love sex, but unrestrained, undisciplined, irresponsible sex?
[2012/04/03 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Sex without regard for the other person?
[2012/04/03 15:48]  ArtCrash Exonar: Sex without love can be Hot! But a different experience, more animalistic.
[2012/04/03 15:48]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): tried that as a young adult, didnt work so well
[2012/04/03 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: But would it be irresponsible? What does responsible/irresponsible MEAN when culture and law is removed?
[2012/04/03 15:48]  darcon Xue: There is not sex withou love
[2012/04/03 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes there is.
[2012/04/03 15:49]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): I have to go
[2012/04/03 15:49]  darcon Xue: there is not 🙂
[2012/04/03 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: The vast majority of organisms have sex without love.
[2012/04/03 15:49]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): without love it is meaningless
[2012/04/03 15:49]  ArtCrash Exonar: That statement is patently false, darcon.
[2012/04/03 15:49]  Hiryo: I never had sex, but can say one thing about it…. “Sex” brings out much greed.. hatred. envy, lust.. and more so.. makes people see the truth in each other more ways then one..
[2012/04/03 15:49]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, responsible/irresponsible with culture and law removed. “You come one step closer with that thing flapping, and I’ll shoot it off.” That’s what it means.
[2012/04/03 15:49]  purelightreflections (healingspirittransformations): Stay well everyone, night
[2012/04/03 15:49]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): bye, pure!
[2012/04/03 15:49]  Hiryo: and sex has done little good when it comes to love.. sex never does good at all actually if you consider it to be a true profound path.
[2012/04/03 15:49]  darcon Xue: Love is all there is 🙂
[2012/04/03 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: sex without love is not meaningless. It could be for pleasure’s sake.
[2012/04/03 15:50]  ArtCrash Exonar: Unless you define attraction as love
[2012/04/03 15:50]  Hiryo: But as for sex in-itself.. it is reproduction with no “good” unless the intent is to make such “mutual”
[2012/04/03 15:50]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): darcon, if that were true, we would have world peace
[2012/04/03 15:50]  Hiryo: unrestrained is just saying rape
[2012/04/03 15:50]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): In other words, if we don’t have law and culture to define sex’s boundaries, sex is the will of the stronger.
[2012/04/03 15:50]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Unarmed woman, storng man; anything he wants.
[2012/04/03 15:50]  darcon Xue: first being human beings we are love beings 🙂
[2012/04/03 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: But, yes, you get far more pleasure from sex if it is with someone you love. Well, I do, anyway.
[2012/04/03 15:50]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Armed woman; strong man; maybe some roses, dinner, and a movie before sex
[2012/04/03 15:51]  ArtCrash Exonar: I would say different pleasure Extie.
[2012/04/03 15:51]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I think it adds a whole ‘nother dimension, Extie
[2012/04/03 15:51]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Sex with love
[2012/04/03 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Sex without love isn’t even orgasmic most of the time, in my experience
[2012/04/03 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): “Say, Miss, I need a place to dump my load. I’ll pay you for it?”
[2012/04/03 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): bleah
[2012/04/03 15:52]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): I would agree Rhi
[2012/04/03 15:52]  darcon Xue: Man in his selfishness taught woman to be selfish. He taught her to excite him physically whenever love was not present;
[2012/04/03 15:52]  Hiryo: When sex is formed from man and woman.. “Not personal experience, Books and what people told me” it comes as a more.. impact to a woman with her orgasms and feelings if such is more emotional and not pure force or just physical.. while for men “Dominance” was key and to gain “control” to increase their pleasure..
[2012/04/03 15:53]  ArtCrash Exonar: I guess if we are defining love as ‘ full acceptance and non judgement’, I can see what you are saying. Love comes in lots of levels and flavors.
[2012/04/03 15:53]  darcon Xue: to project herself sexually for their mutual entertainment through clothing, make-up, dance and posing.
[2012/04/03 15:53]  Hiryo: Sex and love though literally have nothing together.
[2012/04/03 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: I have a friend whose favorite word is “scrump”. She thinks it’s hilarious.
[2012/04/03 15:53]  Hiryo: anyone can sex anything
[2012/04/03 15:53]  Hiryo: your hands
[2012/04/03 15:53]  Hiryo: a doll
[2012/04/03 15:54]  Hiryo: cocoa nut..
[2012/04/03 15:54]  ArtCrash Exonar: Do you Love someone you lust after? And if you ‘make love’ to them are you loving them in that sense?
[2012/04/03 15:54]  Hiryo: sex is absolutely nothing with love.
[2012/04/03 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): polymorphous perversion, Hiryo; but if Marcuse is right, once we dissolve all inhibitions through technology, that’s what we all will be
[2012/04/03 15:54]  Hiryo: So, a man screws 20 women..
[2012/04/03 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): So is that a great vision? Sorry, honey, just had sex with my toothpast tube, feeling kind of depleted.”
[2012/04/03 15:54]  Hiryo: did he love any?
[2012/04/03 15:54]  Hiryo: no..
[2012/04/03 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah I have often found that strange. In most other species the visual appearance of the male for sex selection is paramount. The male is always the prettier of the sex. BUt with humans it is the woman’s sexual attributes (or lack of them) that gets noticed first.
[2012/04/03 15:55]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeah, Extie, the other species got *that* one right
[2012/04/03 15:55]  Hiryo: Not with sea horse.
[2012/04/03 15:55]  Hiryo: or snails
[2012/04/03 15:55]  Hiryo: or slugs
[2012/04/03 15:55]  Hiryo: leeaches.
[2012/04/03 15:55]  Hiryo: ewwww
[2012/04/03 15:55]  Hiryo: ><
[2012/04/03 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hiryo’s right; humans are like sea horses, snails, slugs, or leeaches.
[2012/04/03 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): All of which somebody, somewhere, will eat.
[2012/04/03 15:56]  ArtCrash Exonar: The male sexual characteristics are there… and noticed by woman. We can list them. Large size, muscle shape square jaw. powerful hands….
[2012/04/03 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hmmm. A pattern? lack of inhibition in sex leads to cannibalism?
[2012/04/03 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, the square jaw, not so much
[2012/04/03 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: The sexist attribute for a man is money, or looking like he has the means to aquire it.
[2012/04/03 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But yeah, we want you strong enough to protect us and then silly enough that we can control you. That’s what dicks are for.
[2012/04/03 15:57]  darcon Xue: Woman in her natural state is not dependent on man. She loves him. And in love there is no dependence, and no fear of losing.
[2012/04/03 15:57]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): Ideally darcon
[2012/04/03 15:57]  darcon Xue: She is the passive, attracting principle. She is an irresistible living magnet. She draws to herself a right man to love her truly and divinely. There’s no choice in it.
[2012/04/03 15:57]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I wonder if that is what ARchimedes meant if he had a lever long enough and a fulcrum, and some place to put it, he could move the earth? A tiny lever controlling a big hulky guy
[2012/04/03 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: There is such a thing as male beauty, of course. BUt we emphasise FEMALE beauty far more. Is that just a cultural thing?
[2012/04/03 15:57]  ArtCrash Exonar: Extie: you are right about ‘man as provider’ woman as ‘reproducer’ being the primary sexual attractants throughout history.
[2012/04/03 15:57]  Hiryo: A lot of people.. I dealt with in counseling… always seemed to have some sort of fetish with sex.. but not all… those without these fetishes seemed more inept and happy without sex… And were able to actually key in on the other individuals more.. sex in a way.. blinds people.. the hormones go whack.. and people lose sight of what is in front of them.. rather then their key interest in pleasuring their-selves…
[2012/04/03 15:58]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon of the Birds wonders if anything she is saying is making sense to anybody.
[2012/04/03 15:58]  Hiryo: To give pleasure in equal amounts.. Not a forced “Karma-Sutra: per se.. and.. Rhiannon.. I read.
[2012/04/03 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: I know that story, Rhi.
[2012/04/03 15:59]  Hiryo: it made sense.. not to which .. I could apply.
[2012/04/03 15:59]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): ty, Hiryo; yes, I can tell that you’re paying attention to me.
[2012/04/03 15:59]  darcon Xue: For woman today to return to her natural golden state – of pure love – takes time.
[2012/04/03 15:59]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): Rhi, I was just trying to picture it
[2012/04/03 15:59]  darcon Xue: But having suffered enough from man’s sexuality, she gradually learns not to compromise when there is not enough love. Finally this brings her a man who can remove the shadow from his love.
[2012/04/03 15:59]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think that a really modelicious looking GQ guy can go into a room full of women and get looked at and desired just as much as an attractive woman, no? Though women are not so directly reacting, they ARE reacting.
[2012/04/03 16:00]  Hiryo: I can’t delve into it as persona, only from a outside viewer…. this whole.. talk is of something I have NO personal experience with..
[2012/04/03 16:00]  Hiryo: except accidental wet dream
[2012/04/03 16:00]  Hiryo: that does not count though
[2012/04/03 16:00]  darcon Xue: A woman is only ever less than her true nature because of man’s lack of love.
[2012/04/03 16:00]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Chloe, it’s hard. That’s why I’m using Marcuse as a handle. Don’t think once we reach replicators and robots, the two things I think necessary for Marxi’s vision to come true, we will completely eliminate sexual repression. But with everyone “married” to everyone else, sex at the drop of a hat, and polymorphous perversion, it gets close
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: I have a odd question..
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: Hmm…but for a woman touch is more important for being ‘turned on’. Men are sexually excited by visual stimulants. But we are all different so some women may get excited when a fit guy walks in, I guess.
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: Why do some people say “masturbation” feels better then sex?
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: and this is within more of the “MALES” oddly
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: and most are furs. that say this
[2012/04/03 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: Masturbation is sex, Hiryo.
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: Well.. no
[2012/04/03 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: yes
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: The female gives of.. well..
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: stuff
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: gosh
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, I don’t find touch as stimulating as companionship. Expressed through touch, yes.
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: feeling dumb now
[2012/04/03 16:01]  Hiryo: ><
[2012/04/03 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: Masturbation feels better because it is sex with a person who has intimate knowledge regarding your ‘sweet spots’. A person who knows just how to touch and where to get you off. Another person may have no clue.
[2012/04/03 16:02]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): “Masturbation, fellatio, cunnilingus, pederasty. Why do these words sound so nasty?” From Hair, the difinitive play about the ’60’s.
[2012/04/03 16:02]  Hiryo: Bears in nature, prefer masturbation over sex..
[2012/04/03 16:02]  Hiryo: =\
[2012/04/03 16:02]  ArtCrash Exonar: They need to be taught, extie! heh
[2012/04/03 16:02]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I can see that, Hiryo. I prefer masturbation to sex with bears myself.
[2012/04/03 16:03]  Hiryo: whispers: @_@
[2012/04/03 16:03]  Hiryo: heehhe
[2012/04/03 16:03]  Hiryo: I did not mean it like that
[2012/04/03 16:03]  Hiryo: 😄
[2012/04/03 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: That is why sex in SL is so great. The physical side of it is always sex with someone who knows just what he or she is doing;)
[2012/04/03 16:03]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2012/04/03 16:03]  Hiryo: So..
[2012/04/03 16:03]  Hiryo: Masturbation is the same as sex?
[2012/04/03 16:03]  Hiryo: in feeling?
[2012/04/03 16:03]  Hiryo: @_@
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Hiryo: If so.. sex sucks
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): For some people, sex is sucking.
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Hiryo: I meant..
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Hiryo: oh gosh
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Hiryo: okay.
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Hiryo: as feeling worse
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Hiryo: horrible
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Hiryo: it felt bad to me.
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Hiryo: I do not like masturbating
[2012/04/03 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): For me, that’s more an ego trip though; you make a big hulky, used to be intelligent guy, start writhing, jerking and talking stupid.
[2012/04/03 16:05]  Hiryo: it has NO good feeling to me
[2012/04/03 16:05]  Hiryo: =\
[2012/04/03 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: Well in surveys there is disagreement about what sex is. Some people think masturbation and fellatio/ cunnilingus is sex while others think they are not.
[2012/04/03 16:05]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Sounds like something worse than “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin,” issue, Extie.
[2012/04/03 16:05]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Worse, as there was a point to that.
[2012/04/03 16:05]  Hiryo: I only masturbated.. eh.. twice last year..
[2012/04/03 16:06]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think whatever culture one resides in places a lot of cultural baggage on sex. For good or ill. If you remove those cultural things, you boil sex down to physical desire and stimulation. You don’t need cultural associations for your hormones to do what they were made to do…..
[2012/04/03 16:06]  Hiryo: and both times..
[2012/04/03 16:06]  Hiryo: felt bad
[2012/04/03 16:06]  Hiryo: horrible
[2012/04/03 16:06]  Hiryo: was bad sensation
[2012/04/03 16:06]  Hiryo: =\
[2012/04/03 16:06]  Hiryo: If that is like sex.
[2012/04/03 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: Remember when Clinton said ‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman?’ He may not have been lying. He may have been one of those who do not consider a blow job to be sex.
[2012/04/03 16:06]  Hiryo: I will prefer to stay a virgin.
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: Sounds like something you should get checked out, Hiryo.
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Hiryo: 😄
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Hiryo: I been checked out.
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Hiryo: I go to a LOT of docs.
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Hiryo: I been proved everywhere.
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Hiryo: my lowers are.. fine.
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Hiryo: =\
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Hiryo: blood flow and all
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): lol
[2012/04/03 16:07]  Hiryo: just does not feel good.
[2012/04/03 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah but only twice in a year is not much at all. A low sex drive is not good.
[2012/04/03 16:08]  ArtCrash Exonar: It is guilt caused by your cultural associations that make you fell bad about sex, Hiryo. Guilt is one of the ways that people are controlled by culture.
[2012/04/03 16:08]  Hiryo: >.<
[2012/04/03 16:08]  Hiryo: I will say.. Art is right
[2012/04/03 16:08]  Hiryo: =\
[2012/04/03 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Joyce!
[2012/04/03 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: Hey Joyce you sound just like Rhi when you rez in;)
[2012/04/03 16:08]  Hiryo: My estrogen is naturally high, Extropia..
[2012/04/03 16:09]  Hiryo: But that does not effect me with..
[2012/04/03 16:09]  Hiryo: Testosterone..
[2012/04/03 16:09]  Joyce Allen: Hello ~Smiles~
[2012/04/03 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: does it bother you?
[2012/04/03 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: does sex hurt, too?
[2012/04/03 16:10]  Hiryo: Not really. =) Makes me feel like a outcast but.. eh.. I can talk to people without looking at their ass or breasts but rather their face and pnder on their being rather then their organs.
[2012/04/03 16:10]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I have heard that it’s the low estrogen/testosterone levels that make our monthly cycles so spendiferous, and that men have that ratio *all* the time. Would certainly explain things…
[2012/04/03 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: Well if it does not bother you it is no problem:)
[2012/04/03 16:10]  Hiryo: ^^
[2012/04/03 16:10]  Hiryo: I just feel out pf place a lot when I am around furs since.. they seem to be insane over sex.
[2012/04/03 16:11]  Hiryo: Other then that.. not much.
[2012/04/03 16:11]  Zobeid Zuma: What was that?
[2012/04/03 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: I have had good sex and I have had bad sex. It seems that good sex happens when it is related to ‘play’ and ‘caring’. And the bad is related to concern with peripheral things not directly related to the moment. Things like ‘bad body image’, shame or guilt make for bad sex…… just blubbering here….. haha
[2012/04/03 16:11]  Hiryo: Majority of furs..
[2012/04/03 16:11]  Hiryo: are loopy.. over sex
[2012/04/03 16:11]  Hiryo: not all
[2012/04/03 16:11]  Hiryo: Majority
[2012/04/03 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: I agree, Art.
[2012/04/03 16:11]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I’ve had good sex and bad sex. And I can assure everyone–good sex is better.
[2012/04/03 16:11]  Zobeid Zuma: It depends on where you hang out…
[2012/04/03 16:12]  Hiryo: I tried hanging out all places madam Zobeid..
[2012/04/03 16:12]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, I once gave a guy head while we were in a restaurant. I climbed under the table…
[2012/04/03 16:12]  Hiryo: here on SL, the “Sex” dominance of furs is very high..
[2012/04/03 16:12]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): That was a pretty classy place; wouldn’t do it at Burger King
[2012/04/03 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: Sometimes bad sex happens because of not being honest with your partner regarding what you like. For too many people they obsess over what they think they should like rather than what actually turns them on.
[2012/04/03 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): So what does all of this have to do with losing inhibitions???
[2012/04/03 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I mean, we’ve talked about sex, masturbation, tooth paste (ok, that was me), but has anyone, aside from Marcuse or de Sade, envisioned a totally inhibitionless sex?
[2012/04/03 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: wow Rhi you go way past 10% in your tips!
[2012/04/03 16:13]  ArtCrash Exonar: Many people combine the thrill of sex with the thrill of doing something that is considered ‘bad’. In other words, pulling one over on authority and getting away with it….
[2012/04/03 16:14]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Oh, I got the tips for *that,* Extie, not the other way ’round
[2012/04/03 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: Is it possible to imagine sex without any inhibitions?
[2012/04/03 16:15]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, de Sade came close
[2012/04/03 16:15]  ArtCrash Exonar: Yes, Extie, bad sex comes from both people second guessing each other and not talking directly. A lot of mis communication.
[2012/04/03 16:15]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And there’s a reason it’s called ‘sadism.’
[2012/04/03 16:15]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): Sex without inhibition could be detremental to the evolution of mankind.
[2012/04/03 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh is that where it comes from?
[2012/04/03 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: in what way, Chloe?
[2012/04/03 16:15]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): I just made that up
[2012/04/03 16:16]  darcon Xue: “The moral codes, religious constrictions, social taboos and emotional conventions you have placed around sex (and by the way, around love – and all of life) have made it virtually impossible for you to celebrate your being.”
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, lol But can anyone come up with a better vision of uninhibited sex?
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And that perhaps explains why we don’t like it?
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Hiryo: Okay. wait.. there is already sex with “inhibition” if… masturbation is considered sex.
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Hiryo: In Poland and a few other countries..
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Hiryo: there is a “human Like” doll.
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): thats what I was thinking Rhi
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Hiryo: has flesh in texture like a human
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Hiryo: and a record was set..
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Hiryo: for a man..
[2012/04/03 16:16]  ArtCrash Exonar: I would class this mis communication during sex as one or both parties feeling that they will not be accepted because of their desire.
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Hiryo: to have sex with it over a WHOLE day
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Hiryo: he peed and pooped while still.
[2012/04/03 16:16]  Hiryo: doing it
[2012/04/03 16:17]  Hiryo: so… does that count?
[2012/04/03 16:17]  Hiryo: Was to be human in all aspects except living
[2012/04/03 16:17]  darcon Xue: “For now – and for you, personally – simply know this: I have given you nothing shameful, least of all your very body, and its functions. “
[2012/04/03 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: There is an incident of someone contracting an STD from a sex doll. You see, it was on a ship and it had just been used by a fellow crew member who had contracted an STD. Someone else used the doll without cleaning it out first and he caught it too.
[2012/04/03 16:18]  Hiryo: @_@ Was that related to me sir Darcon? @_@
[2012/04/03 16:18]  Hiryo: EWWW!
[2012/04/03 16:18]  Object: Hi Extropia DaSilva! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[2012/04/03 16:18]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): hi Temperance!
[2012/04/03 16:18]  Hiryo: THat is nasty Extropia.
[2012/04/03 16:18]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Was the sex doll on a dirty toilet seat?
[2012/04/03 16:18]  darcon Xue: 🙂
[2012/04/03 16:18]  Hiryo: You can get a STD on a dirty toilet seat?
[2012/04/03 16:19]  Hiryo: I thought that myth unless direct contact with …. cum and such
[2012/04/03 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): So I take it one inhibition would be to have safe sex
[2012/04/03 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hiryo, it is a myth; I ws questioning, through that reference, whether this incident really happened.
[2012/04/03 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: I do not see why.
[2012/04/03 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I mean, you hear all sorts of things, esp. about Republicans, these days.
[2012/04/03 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: Plenty of people have unsafe sex.
[2012/04/03 16:19]  darcon Xue: our attitudes about sex form a microcosm of your attitudes about life. Life should be a joy, a celebration, and it has become an experience of fear, anxiety, “not enough-ness,” envy, rage, and tragedy. The same can be said about sex.
[2012/04/03 16:20]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): lol
[2012/04/03 16:20]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon of the Birds agrees with darcon
[2012/04/03 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: do you think humans ever had the kind of sex the topic asks about?
[2012/04/03 16:21]  Hiryo: I think so Extropia..
[2012/04/03 16:21]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): not laughing at your remark darcon, laughing at the republican remark
[2012/04/03 16:21]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, I doubt it. Not as a norm, anyway
[2012/04/03 16:21]  Hiryo: if you consider the Human doll to be..
[2012/04/03 16:21]  Hiryo: used
[2012/04/03 16:22]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon of the Birds winks at Chloe
[2012/04/03 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: Do you think we ever will?
[2012/04/03 16:22]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): Hiryo, your freakin me out
[2012/04/03 16:23]  darcon Xue: we have repressed sex, even as we have repressed life, rather than fully Self-expressing with abandon and joy.
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, I doubt that too. Maybe if replicators/roots bring about the post industrial, communist utopia, ala Marcuse and Marx, we will come close
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But there will still be tabus
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Sex by adults with children.
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: what is tabus?
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Hiryo: 😄
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): taboos
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Hiryo: Darcon.. you remind me of Confucius… But a more.. sexual version.
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: ah.
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): different spelling is all
[2012/04/03 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: kk
[2012/04/03 16:23]  darcon Xue: The energy which underscores sex is the energy which underscores life; which is life!. The feeling of attraction and the intense and often urgent desire to move toward each other, to become one, is the essential dynamic of all that lives. I have built this into everything. It is inbred, inherent, inside All That Is.
[2012/04/03 16:24]  ArtCrash Exonar: I call it hormones…..
[2012/04/03 16:24]  Hiryo: That is not so Darcon.. then people like me, you are saying never live life.
[2012/04/03 16:24]  Hiryo: and or can not pertain into a existence of life at fullest.
[2012/04/03 16:24]  Hiryo: which would be redundant..
[2012/04/03 16:24]  Hiryo: including those inept in such from, many other natural and unnatural reasons
[2012/04/03 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): OK, one thing that rung true, although I thought the character was being an idiot, was when Gloria Crusher had to work with a man who was actually controlled by a parasite, like the puppet masters in Heinlein. She fell in love with him. Then he had to be transplanted into her best male friend’s body (temporaily); was grossed out; then lastly, he reappeared as a woman. And that was that…
[2012/04/03 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): There will alwys be taboos.
[2012/04/03 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: Well, if the fabled full immersion VR ever comes along do you think people would go and explore their sexuality much more liberally?
[2012/04/03 16:25]  ArtCrash Exonar: You mean Beverly Crusher?
[2012/04/03 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yes, Beverly Crusher.
[2012/04/03 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Thanks, Art.
[2012/04/03 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: I may do. Never saw much of Star Trek TNG.
[2012/04/03 16:25]  Hiryo: Exropia.. “Lawnmower man” and more so.. it is already been made.
[2012/04/03 16:26]  Hiryo: Long ago.. a “virtual Reality”
[2012/04/03 16:26]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): To answer Extie’s question–if sl is any indication, then yes, they will explore their sexual identities in VR
[2012/04/03 16:26]  Hiryo: due to the people who used it under going.. mental issues
[2012/04/03 16:26]  Hiryo: it is not used public
[2012/04/03 16:26]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, well, it was interesting–an exploration of how much physical appearnace and biological sex influenced us in our sexuality
[2012/04/03 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): She loved the person, but the person was a parasite who had different host bodies.
[2012/04/03 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And she couldn’t handle that.
[2012/04/03 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Inhibition…
[2012/04/03 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: You can get haptics that convey some notion of touch and there is teledildonics but I think that all feels like masturbating with a machine as opposed to the unique sensation of a person’s body close to mine.
[2012/04/03 16:27]  ArtCrash Exonar: When Virtual Reality develops some sort of ‘feeling body suit’ you can bank on the fact that sex will be the first killer application for Virtual Reality…..
[2012/04/03 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): She couldn’t see being in love with her male friend, only it was only his body that she was in love with; the soul, as it were, was another’s.
[2012/04/03 16:28]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And then, when a woman’s body? This in an era where there was total sexual equality
[2012/04/03 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: is that a true story, Rhi?
[2012/04/03 16:28]  ArtCrash Exonar: Thinks about writing a short story about a stimulation body suit gone wrong during a virtual massage.
[2012/04/03 16:28]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, no, we don’t have the technology for it to be true, but it’s a real story written for TV
[2012/04/03 16:28]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And doesn’t it feel real?
[2012/04/03 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: I guess it does, since I had to ask.
[2012/04/03 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: one minute left!
[2012/04/03 16:29]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yeah. Good point
[2012/04/03 16:29]  darcon Xue: Of course sex is “okay.” Play with sex, Play with it. It’s wonderful fun. Why its the most fun you can have with your body, if you’re talking of strictly physical experiences alone.
[2012/04/03 16:29]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): oh, oh, time for your poem, extie.
[2012/04/03 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: How time flies..
[2012/04/03 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: no you have one minute…
[2012/04/03 16:29]  darcon Xue: http://www.fromthestars.com/page173.html
[2012/04/03 16:29]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): oh, well, my point, the last one, is the same as my first point–I think we will always have inhibitions on sex
[2012/04/03 16:29]  ArtCrash Exonar: ArtCrash Exonar is now thinking about sex due to this discussion….. heh
[2012/04/03 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Sex is a way we can hurt other people, so it will always be controlled
[2012/04/03 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: OK closing statements. Would sex be better or worse if there were not culture?
[2012/04/03 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Worse.
[2012/04/03 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Culture defines sex, gives it a spirtiual dimension.
[2012/04/03 16:30]  Chloe Catteneo (d1r2d3): worse
[2012/04/03 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Otherwise, it’s “Excuse me; could you pass the sperm, please?”
[2012/04/03 16:30]  ArtCrash Exonar: Better and worse depending on the cultural association you are talking about.
[2012/04/03 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: fence sitter!
[2012/04/03 16:30]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2012/04/03 16:31]  Hiryo: From my culture… the talk of sex actually… repels me and scares me at the same time.
[2012/04/03 16:31]  Extropia DaSilva: BTW what has become of my Lem?
[2012/04/03 16:31]  Hiryo: I would agree and say worse.
[2012/04/03 16:31]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think about the history of sexual repression and I say better. I think about the love association and I say worse.
[2012/04/03 16:32]  Extropia DaSilva: OKies my time is up!
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