THINKERS MARCH 20 2012: ANTON CHEKOV

[2012/03/20 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: Today, the topic for discussion is this….
[2012/03/20 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: What did Anton Chekov mean by “Man will become better, when you show him what he is like”?
[2012/03/20 15:34]  Be (be.ewing): ok
[2012/03/20 15:34]  Be (be.ewing): Made in the image of God
[2012/03/20 15:34]  Be (be.ewing): in other words true underlying nature of man/woman is very highly spiritual
[2012/03/20 15:34]  darcon Xue: He means the greatest joy 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:35]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, the idea is that all human folly is because we don’t see what we’re doiing lainly and clearly.
[2012/03/20 15:35]  Be (be.ewing): darcon – true
[2012/03/20 15:35]  Be (be.ewing): we are here to have fun and enjoy life
[2012/03/20 15:35]  Be (be.ewing): and learn a little along the way
[2012/03/20 15:35]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Like when we don’t realize how we come across to others.
[2012/03/20 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: see I would have taken a neurocentric point of view.
[2012/03/20 15:35]  darcon Xue: greatest joy is to give people back to Themselves.
[2012/03/20 15:36]  Be (be.ewing): well greatest joy for me to give to other people and somehow Universe keeps on giving me things which I then give away and Universe keeps on giving me more
[2012/03/20 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Man will become better when we understand how the mind works.
[2012/03/20 15:36]  Zobeid Zuma: This is the same guy who came up with “Chekov’s Gun”, right? 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:37]  darcon Xue: to make people independent of us is great 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: I do not know, Zo. Does anyone here know?
[2012/03/20 15:37]  darcon Xue: To empower people
[2012/03/20 15:37]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I never heard of Chekov’s Gun
[2012/03/20 15:37]  Be (be.ewing): what is Chekov’s Gun?
[2012/03/20 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: Empower how?
[2012/03/20 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, I was thinking of what Chekov might have meant, and neuroscience wouldn’t have been it
[2012/03/20 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: It’s a principle of writing fiction, it’s about foreshadowing.
[2012/03/20 15:38]  druth Vlodovic: neuroscience would be a method of achieveing what he presupposes
[2012/03/20 15:38]  Be (be.ewing): well — whole issue came into play — when corporate people started to tell people they were going to empower them — with power(s) they already had and were in process of taking away from them
[2012/03/20 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, maybe then, as he was a writer
[2012/03/20 15:38]  darcon Xue: Do not miss a single chance — not one single opportunity — to tell someone how wonderful they are, how special they are, how important to you they are, how incredible as a person they are, how beautiful they are inside and out. Do not miss a single opening in which to insert such a comment, genuinely felt and genuinely meant.
[2012/03/20 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: Zobeid Zuma points –> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekhov%27s_gun
[2012/03/20 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: Zobeid Zuma struggles to remember using CRTL instead of CMD. @.@
[2012/03/20 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Be, just another example of “Oz never gave anything to the Tin Man that he didn’t already have.”
[2012/03/20 15:39]  Be (be.ewing): Rhi — so true
[2012/03/20 15:39]  Be (be.ewing): we all have everything
[2012/03/20 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): darcon, yws, you should always beless people and things. It comes back to you
[2012/03/20 15:40]  Zobeid Zuma: So, I don’t know the context of the quote, but it seems straightforward…. You must be aware of your flaws before you can think of correcting them.
[2012/03/20 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: I think I agree, Zo.
[2012/03/20 15:40]  Be (be.ewing): Zo — flaws????
[2012/03/20 15:40]  Be (be.ewing): I have flaws???? 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:40]  Zobeid Zuma: Shocking, I know. Some of us aren’t perfect.
[2012/03/20 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yes, Zoe, but it’s more than that–it’s that if you see what you really look like, you will be ashamed and will correct it
[2012/03/20 15:40]  darcon Xue: To empower: to bring to the attention of another just how extraordinary they are. Say it. Say it. SAY it. Their heart is waiting to know that their own best thought about themselves can be believed.
[2012/03/20 15:40]  druth Vlodovic: and of your positives, before yuo can develop them
[2012/03/20 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes flaws. Like racism, for example. There is some evidence we are all prone to racist POVs.
[2012/03/20 15:41]  doobie Zanzibar: Come sit downRhianno
[2012/03/20 15:41]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): hi Gwyn!
[2012/03/20 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: Hi Gwyn!
[2012/03/20 15:41]  doobie Zanzibar: Rhiannon
[2012/03/20 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi hi 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:41]  Be (be.ewing): Gwyn – Greetings 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: Gwyn, I have missed you. WB to Thinkers.
[2012/03/20 15:41]  doobie Zanzibar: lol
[2012/03/20 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yo have to remember that Chekov wrote at a time when humans were feeling pretty satisfied with themselves–before WWI came along to cut them down to size
[2012/03/20 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: Good point, Rhi. A lot of attitudes were different then I’m sure.
[2012/03/20 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’ve remembered the odd time, Extie hehe
[2012/03/20 15:42]  Be (be.ewing): so Chekov was Russian? or other?
[2012/03/20 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): hi, Doobie
[2012/03/20 15:42]  Be (be.ewing): I am not much of an historian
[2012/03/20 15:43]  ArtCrash Exonar: Maybe he was saying that if faced directly with bad behavior, you realize that it isn’t something that can be successful in the long term. Something you wouldn’t see unless faced with it yourself.
[2012/03/20 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Be, he was Russian
[2012/03/20 15:43]  Be (be.ewing): ok
[2012/03/20 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Art, that’s part of it; he thought if we took a good look at the man in the mirror, we’d take a loot at ourselves and change. Sort of an early day Michael Jackson
[2012/03/20 15:43]  Be (be.ewing): I still go back to Image of God
[2012/03/20 15:43]  Be (be.ewing): excuse me
[2012/03/20 15:44]  Be (be.ewing): at times like this I rever to basic Baltimore Catechism which has much history/science in it
[2012/03/20 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: Why do you think it is important todo that, be?
[2012/03/20 15:44]  Be (be.ewing): All — for the record I am not religious at all — I have no religion
[2012/03/20 15:44]  darcon Xue: to find beauty (or perfection) in everyone you must see beauty in everyone, then announce that you see it, for in announcing it, you place it there in their reality.
[2012/03/20 15:44]  Be (be.ewing): ok
[2012/03/20 15:44]  Be (be.ewing): First Question if I can remember is : Who made you?
[2012/03/20 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now that’s interesting, darcon 😉
[2012/03/20 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: so image of god is a metaphore or something else?
[2012/03/20 15:45]  Be (be.ewing): Answer: God made me
[2012/03/20 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Be: I can answer who made my body, Be 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:45]  Be (be.ewing): Question: Who is your Father?
[2012/03/20 15:45]  Zobeid Zuma: And you didn’t even get the first question right. :/
[2012/03/20 15:45]  Be (be.ewing): Answer: god is your father?
[2012/03/20 15:45]  darcon Xue: we are one to one with god
[2012/03/20 15:45]  Be (be.ewing): and this ties in
[2012/03/20 15:45]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I’m not sure if it fits the topic, darcon, but I agree with everything you say
[2012/03/20 15:45]  Be (be.ewing): Qestion: Who are you made in the image of?
[2012/03/20 15:45]  Be (be.ewing): Answer:: I am made in the image of God My Father
[2012/03/20 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): You bless people and things everyday, and you generate postive energy; opportunities open up for you.
[2012/03/20 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: I am made in the image of Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost In The Shell.
[2012/03/20 15:46]  Be (be.ewing): so when you look in mirror of image of yourself you should see yourself as God
[2012/03/20 15:46]  darcon Xue: yes Motoko Kusanagi is god
[2012/03/20 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oooh now we know.
[2012/03/20 15:46]  Be (be.ewing): not sure if I exactly literally got that right 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:47]  Ivy Sunkiller: I don’t recall motoko having antenas
[2012/03/20 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with Rhi
[2012/03/20 15:47]  Be (be.ewing): but essentially first 3 questions of Baltimore Catechism
[2012/03/20 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I think, since it’s Chekov, it ld be more that you see yours shortcomings, as you stack yourslf up with God
[2012/03/20 15:47]  Ivy Sunkiller: at least not outside 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: Having viewed effigies of gods and seen how they tend to take on the racial characteristics of the people, I am inclined to think man made God in his image.
[2012/03/20 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): ty, Gwyn.
[2012/03/20 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s how attitudes and motivation shape our outcome in life.
[2012/03/20 15:48]  Zobeid Zuma: Not always Extie. Concepts of God have varied widely — if not wildly — across time and geography.
[2012/03/20 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: then, as usual, I am only partially correct in my opinions:)
[2012/03/20 15:49]  Zobeid Zuma: The Celts thought it was hilarious that the Greeks and Romans made statues of gods shaped like human beings.
[2012/03/20 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, your opinion is always right to yourself 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:49]  darcon Xue: God reveals herself anytime to any person in anyways 🙂
[2012/03/20 15:49]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, if we’re talking GGod, and images of her, it would be question begging to infer that he isn’t realb ecause we hagve to visualize him in someway
[2012/03/20 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: well yes, Gwyn. Two ways of thinking. The wrong way and MY way!
[2012/03/20 15:49]  Be (be.ewing): Well — I beleive Chekov was saying just show people that they are like God — whatever they interpret God to be — now some might have idea God is a Black Demon of some sort — why I am not exactly sure
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