Roxie Marten at Thinkers

Extropia DaSilva: Welcome to Thinkers!
[2012/02/21 15:32]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): If we can, Extie lol
[2012/02/21 15:32]  Zobeid Zuma: My computer does that all the time. The web just goes out for a couple minutes, then it comes back.
[2012/02/21 15:32]  Khannea Suntzu: MHUMM*yes*
[2012/02/21 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: Today we ask..
[2012/02/21 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: MY HAPPY APP: How much personality do we want from our devices?
[2012/02/21 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: so SIRI. Is it The Future?
[2012/02/21 15:33]  Zobeid Zuma: It certainly seems appealing at first blush. Whether that will last after the novelty wears off, I dunno?
[2012/02/21 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: up a bit and too the left slightly, Khannea.
[2012/02/21 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): What’s SIRI?
[2012/02/21 15:34]  Khannea Suntzu: Functionality in an app *slurp* should be lean and functional.
[2012/02/21 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): huh, Roxie disappears and I’m told she’s online
[2012/02/21 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: SIRI is a virtual assistant for the iphone 4S
[2012/02/21 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Is SIRI what gives a personality to your computer
[2012/02/21 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: It manages your life for you. You ask it and it does it.
[2012/02/21 15:34]  druth Vlodovic: the next generation of clippy
[2012/02/21 15:35]  Khannea Suntzu: Yep clippy is an example of Satan in personalized servitor apps
[2012/02/21 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: But does clippy prove we do not want personality in our machines or was it just that particular attempt to personify a machine we turned against?
[2012/02/21 15:36]  Zobeid Zuma: What is a clippy?
[2012/02/21 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: Clippy was a cheerful and anoying paper clip who would turn up on Microsoft apps saying ‘I see you are writing a message! Do you want help with that?’
[2012/02/21 15:37]  Khannea Suntzu:
[2012/02/21 15:37]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I’m trying to turn my mike off. Are you still hearing me?
[2012/02/21 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: I was. I am not now
[2012/02/21 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Speaking of a machine with personality
[2012/02/21 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: no I still am.
[2012/02/21 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): This reminds me of Rosalyn’s first VW. It wouldn cease to function if it didn’t like you. Seriously
[2012/02/21 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It would start right back up if someone it didn’t like got out of the car
[2012/02/21 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: So it had personality in the form of being really obnoxious?
[2012/02/21 15:38]  druth Vlodovic: could be it was the personality, chirpy happiness during the workday may have been a poor choice
[2012/02/21 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It had it’s likes and dislikes about who rode in it or drove it
[2012/02/21 15:40]  Khannea Suntzu: Yep zobi *winks* you got it
[2012/02/21 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): So does chirpy make the phone ing and go “have a nice day?”
[2012/02/21 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): “Good morning! Andn it’s another beautiful day!1” That sort of thing?
[2012/02/21 15:41]  druth Vlodovic: ok, hands up everybody who wants their devices to have conversations with them
[2012/02/21 15:41]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Only if they’re intelligent
[2012/02/21 15:41]  Doug Wellesley: Personality will perhaps just be an option. If you want it, you can turn it on. If not, turn it off. Depending on the number of people who turn it on will be a measure of its ‘worth’. I don’t think we should wonder about what people will want. Like almost everything else, some people will like it and some won’t.
[2012/02/21 15:41]  Roxie Marten: no and no
[2012/02/21 15:42]  Roxie Marten: whispers: what happesn if it says “no”
[2012/02/21 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: I would like personality apps for myself so I become kind of like an assistant to my primary. You know, like ve asks ‘find that paper on peak oil that Ari mentioned’ and I say ‘oh right you mean.’ and get it.
[2012/02/21 15:42]  Doug Wellesley: If it says no, uninstall it.
[2012/02/21 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yeah, i wouldn’t mind my phone telling me–hey, send Roxie’s HW to her
[2012/02/21 15:42]  Scarp Godenot: Rhiannon, your microphone is on. Is that on purpose?
[2012/02/21 15:43]  Roxie Marten: The more I learn what’s under the hood the more I am less enamoured with the idea
[2012/02/21 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: Competence is key. I’ve had many bad experiences with software that tries to “help” me do simple task and only messes me up.
[2012/02/21 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But if it had too much personalityh and added dufus
[2012/02/21 15:43]  Roxie Marten: auto spell check is one
[2012/02/21 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, no, it’s not on purpose. It’s the first time it’s worked in 2 1/2 years d its stuck open
[2012/02/21 15:43]  druth Vlodovic: it would have to “learn you” to know what you wanted in any given situation
[2012/02/21 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Now, you all know I’m a girl–and with a mouth on her too–and that’s supposed to bea secret
[2012/02/21 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: what do you mean, Rosxie?
[2012/02/21 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: A good example is the inventory window in SL, actually. It’s constantly squirming and scrolling and opening folders and doing other stuff I never asked for in an attempt to “help” manage my inventory. I hate it!
[2012/02/21 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zo, is that why it does that
[2012/02/21 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I thought it was just FU’d
[2012/02/21 15:44]  druth Vlodovic: ugh, if I need a folder closed i’ll damn well close it myself
[2012/02/21 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Like having your microphone stuck open
[2012/02/21 15:44]  Roxie Marten: a program that is suppose to help you is auto spell check, you see itin Word and Email programs. there are entire web sites devouted to mis adventures of auto spell check and often with humours results
[2012/02/21 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: It is. But somebody programmed it that way on the theory that it would be helpful.
[2012/02/21 15:45]  druth Vlodovic: each person uses the same tech for the same purpose in different ways
[2012/02/21 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: yes Druth. But then search engines strive to know who you are and what you are like and datamining your online activities can reveal much about you, so I guess SIRI and its succesors would be good at learning to be you.
[2012/02/21 15:45]  druth Vlodovic: but the more customizeable it is the harder it is to set up
[2012/02/21 15:45]  Khannea Suntzu: Or learning to emulate you to steal you blind
[2012/02/21 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yeah, one of these days I’m going to do a Captain Kirk on theose search enines– have o manycontraictgor intersts, it will melt down the system
[2012/02/21 15:46]  druth Vlodovic: Rhiannonbot is right around the corner 🙂
[2012/02/21 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Maybe she can turn my mike off, druth. lol
[2012/02/21 15:46]  druth Vlodovic: she can hold your sessions for you
[2012/02/21 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I will have copyrighted my personalityh by that time when thy pass SOPA II
[2012/02/21 15:47]  druth Vlodovic: actually it’s been almost 15 years since i had my first conversation with an AI
[2012/02/21 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: Unless one recently convinced you it was human, druth.
[2012/02/21 15:48]  Khannea Suntzu: Damn it would be nice to properly pirate Rhiannon, I’d love to hack that software to the bone and rootkit it all down the backdoors.
[2012/02/21 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh, you said ‘first had’
[2012/02/21 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: My mistake:0
[2012/02/21 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Khannea, I’ll remember tghat and put a trojan in me
[2012/02/21 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Suck you–rather your data–dry
[2012/02/21 15:48]  Khannea Suntzu: You’ll need a double sweet 🙂
[2012/02/21 15:48]  druth Vlodovic: it had me pretty convinced, but i was asking it for straight forward help, nothing complicated or personal
[2012/02/21 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: I have seen transcripts of chatbots that haunted MUDS. They seemed quite good at conversation, actually. Just as good as the few chatbots I have conversed with, anyway.
[2012/02/21 15:49]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): druth, ask for something really strange, then, it will either show it’s an AI–or an Indian that they outsourced the job too
[2012/02/21 15:50]  druth Vlodovic: the only reason i found out is that I called it back to say “thanks” and the guy running the BBS called and told me lol
[2012/02/21 15:50]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I want some being which is it’s on nothingsness. “I’ll be asking my supervisor for your help. Please be patient.”
[2012/02/21 15:50]  druth Vlodovic: if you ask me something weird you might get a slowed or nonsensical response
[2012/02/21 15:50]  druth Vlodovic: actually lots of people think I generally give nonsensical responses 🙂
[2012/02/21 15:51]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): druth, that’s my point; i’d get a nonsensical response from you, a programmed one from it
[2012/02/21 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: You know Rhi, studies show that people tend not to want to trip the AI’s up. In fact they go some way to refrain from asking questions or framing sentences in ways that will reveal the artificiality of the bot. they like to retain an illusion of intelligence.
[2012/02/21 15:51]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Really? Maybe gththey just want to get passed it t a human.
[2012/02/21 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And figure tripiping it up will slowthat down
[2012/02/21 15:52]  druth Vlodovic: people generally want to be nice to those they converse with
[2012/02/21 15:52]  Scarp Godenot: I spent time on a voice recognition AI phone tree the other day and it would have been funny if it wasn’t so annoying that it couldn’t get anything correctly done.
[2012/02/21 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I just press the 0 and yell “You toaster; you toaster; you toaster…” until a human comes on
[2012/02/21 15:53]  druth Vlodovic: ttfn
[2012/02/21 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Got the slur “toaster” from battlestar galaxtica, the original cylons looked like great big toasters
[2012/02/21 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): bye, druth!
[2012/02/21 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: Scarp my primary’s xbox 360 now does voice recognition and it is really good. It very rarely misunderstands what is asked of it.
[2012/02/21 15:53]  druth Vlodovic: ah, love to stay, have to run
[2012/02/21 15:53]  Khannea Suntzu: I think the new Cylons could have been designed better. Except that one Cylon that looks just like Rhiannon.
[2012/02/21 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: The origin of the name Toaster was explained in Caprica, the prequel series to BSG.
[2012/02/21 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: YOu mean Six, Khannea:)
[2012/02/21 15:54]  Zobeid Zuma: I don’t remember them looking anything like toasters. I think that was just a derogatory term.
[2012/02/21 15:54]  Zobeid Zuma: As compared with Daleks which really do look like salt shakers.
[2012/02/21 15:54]  Khannea Suntzu: 🙂
[2012/02/21 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, I still like to odo it
[2012/02/21 15:55]  Khannea Suntzu: Six!
[2012/02/21 15:55]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And I want my PA to ask me “Should I retrieve your files, ma’am, or go fuckmyself?”
[2012/02/21 15:56]  Khannea Suntzu: And what does the PA do? crawl away and hide. In vibrating model.
[2012/02/21 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): What should it do?
[2012/02/21 15:56]  Scarp Godenot: I have read that searching for the correct voice tone for navigation systems is difficult, because people have cultural assumptions about certain voices.
[2012/02/21 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: so who would want a measure of AI for their SL avvie? I would, obviously, goes without saying, but would anyone else want their avatar to be semi or fully independent in certain circumstances?
[2012/02/21 15:57]  Khannea Suntzu: I wouldn’t mind it.
[2012/02/21 15:57]  Zobeid Zuma: I’d be willing to give it a try. Sounds like a fun experiment at the very least.
[2012/02/21 15:58]  Khannea Suntzu: Yah but I would wanna take it in the realworld first chance I get
[2012/02/21 15:58]  Khannea Suntzu: I am kinda messy in the *focus* department. Some of you might find that hard to believe but it’s true.
[2012/02/21 15:58]  Scarp Godenot: As long as it would be the equivalent of an answering machine with multiple choices and as long as it was clear to the listener that AI is involved.
[2012/02/21 16:00]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): My avatar baeing independent in certain circulstance would be helpful
[2012/02/21 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: You are not keen on Scarp Bot passing a Turing test, then, Scarp?
[2012/02/21 16:00]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): She could go “Do you really mean that? How odd?” while I cooked
[2012/02/21 16:00]  Khannea Suntzu: Cooked being the euphemism dujour.
[2012/02/21 16:01]  Scarp Godenot: heh
[2012/02/21 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: Today when I sent out notices. It would have been nice to be like a digital assistant so my primary requests ‘Extie send the notice ‘my happy app’ to the Thinkers, Rhi’s and the transhumanist groups’ and I do what is asked.
[2012/02/21 16:02]  Zobeid Zuma: It would be nice if I could get it to sort through all the spammy messages that I get from various groups. :/
[2012/02/21 16:02]  Khannea Suntzu: Hmmurr
[2012/02/21 16:02]  Khannea Suntzu: To catch up with stuff to sort I need hundreds of these assistants
[2012/02/21 16:03]  Khannea Suntzu: My JPG archives are hundred of megabites. Months of work to sort on my own.
[2012/02/21 16:03]  Zobeid Zuma: Or sort through my inventory…
[2012/02/21 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: and then as the apps advance I do ever more sophisticated forms of collaboration, able to do more for myself until, finally, hurrah, I have taken over my life completely and am master of my own SL!
[2012/02/21 16:03]  Roxie Marten: I Need a digital assistant to sort and organize my inventory
[2012/02/21 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: “Delete anything I haven’t used in the last year!”
[2012/02/21 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: That would probably clear about 20,000 items or so…
[2012/02/21 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zoe, truer words have never been spoken
[2012/02/21 16:04]  Khannea Suntzu: Holy shut my inventory is weeks worth for several digital assistants
[2012/02/21 16:04]  Scarp Godenot: Sort my inventory by type and date of purchase.
[2012/02/21 16:04]  Roxie Marten: me too, 8 years of stuff in my mine
[2012/02/21 16:04]  Khannea Suntzu: Hell, I’d make my digital assistants do the roleplay game campaiigns I always wanted to organize. Like several of them, marathon sessions.
[2012/02/21 16:05]  Khannea Suntzu: Not that I’d want to get involved.
[2012/02/21 16:05]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Khannena, but wouldn’t that miss the pointn–it would be like having you digital assistants have pixel sex for you
[2012/02/21 16:05]  Doug Wellesley: Maybe we should differentiate between an app that does something useful for us and an app that does something usefull and has a personality as well?
[2012/02/21 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: yes these days the problem is not storage but managing one’s inventory. You think that is where personality apps and digital assistants will come in to play? as librarians etc?
[2012/02/21 16:05]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeh, as long as we understand each other, Extie
[2012/02/21 16:06]  Zobeid Zuma: Siri seems to have personality…. but as far as I can tell, it’s just pre-scripted responses to specific prompts.
[2012/02/21 16:06]  Roxie Marten: of course nothing can ever go wrong
[2012/02/21 16:07]  Zobeid Zuma: Siri doesn’t have moods… Perhaps it does learn about your preferences and habits, though?
[2012/02/21 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: I believe the movie Westworld ends with an automated voice intoning ‘nothing can go wrong…nothing can go wrong’ on an endless loop:)
[2012/02/21 16:08]  Roxie Marten: do you really want a google interface that guesses, I am really sick of “did you mean X” no you stupid piece of crap I really was looking for what I typed in
[2012/02/21 16:08]  Khannea Suntzu: Heh
[2012/02/21 16:08]  Scarp Godenot: The Spielberg movie AI had a lot of things in it that were very thought provoking. Did you all see it?
[2012/02/21 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: Siri can use your GPS. At least the American version can. So you say ‘remind me to get cornflakes when I am in Tesco’ and it says ‘Ok I will remind you’ and when you arrive at tesco it knows because of GPS and it reminds you.
[2012/02/21 16:09]  Zobeid Zuma: I saw it.
[2012/02/21 16:09]  Khannea Suntzu: Fuck yah. I LOVED the garbage belt
[2012/02/21 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: I saw it like 5 times.
[2012/02/21 16:09]  Zobeid Zuma: He messed up the ending, just couldn’t leave it alone. But a good movie on the whole.
[2012/02/21 16:09]  Khannea Suntzu: Gigolo Joe, what do you know
[2012/02/21 16:09]  Khannea Suntzu: Gigolo Jane, do it any way
[2012/02/21 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Heh, that will be great. I ccanbe remnded to get m blood tested at thedoctor’s office
[2012/02/21 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: what was thought provoking for you, Scarp?
[2012/02/21 16:11]  Roxie Marten: I am waiting for the gps satellites to fail and find the entire population driving circles because no one can read a map anymore
[2012/02/21 16:11]  Roxie Marten: will our love of aps dumb down the world. are we just a generation away from Idiotcracy
[2012/02/21 16:12]  Khannea Suntzu: I don’t think so Roxie.
[2012/02/21 16:12]  Khannea Suntzu: I think we are stupid as humans because we are bored.
[2012/02/21 16:12]  Roxie Marten: which btw I think is a prophecy not a movie
[2012/02/21 16:12]  Khannea Suntzu: If we can do what we WANT to do, we would do things we are better at. And consequently be more motivated.
[2012/02/21 16:13]  Roxie Marten: I know somoene who can not drive with the gps unit. even simple trips to the store or work
[2012/02/21 16:13]  Roxie Marten: ewith out a gps
[2012/02/21 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: Roxie it can be quite scary to contemplate just how much technology we use AS IF we understood it, when in fact we really know very little about how it works.
[2012/02/21 16:13]  Chraeloos: Hello everyone
[2012/02/21 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: hello:)
[2012/02/21 16:13]  Khannea Suntzu: Yah but now watch how lots more work the human being does now he or she doesn’t have to bother with folding maps 🙂
[2012/02/21 16:13]  Roxie Marten: I am big in to tech. I write code. build computers but I never want to become dependant on them. that’s what I am seeing
[2012/02/21 16:14]  Roxie Marten: people will become brain dead if they lose thier smart phone or tablet
[2012/02/21 16:15]  Scarp Godenot: I hate web stuff on the phone. It is so tiny and lame …..
[2012/02/21 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: Phone numbers. We used to memorise them but now we store them on the phone and when I want Khannea I just type in ‘K..H.’ and predictive text infers I want to call Khannea or I just tell it ‘call Khannea’. I have no idea what her number is because why memorise anythikng when the machines do a much better job?
[2012/02/21 16:15]  Roxie Marten: what happens your phone dies and you need tomake that call
[2012/02/21 16:15]  Khannea Suntzu: Yep
[2012/02/21 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: Precisely, Roxie.
[2012/02/21 16:16]  Khannea Suntzu: Roxie that;s like saying “and what if your airplane dies and you are flying tenmiles up” .. well then you die.
[2012/02/21 16:16]  Roxie Marten: I almost lost a job becasue of that, I had to check in with the office. the company phone died and I didn’t know the number
[2012/02/21 16:16]  Khannea Suntzu: so?
[2012/02/21 16:17]  Scarp Godenot: I decided many years ago to be unavailable to most people with my devices…. heh ONe needs to escape…
[2012/02/21 16:17]  Roxie Marten: I am not flying the plane I don’t have control over that, I do have control over knowing important phone numbers
[2012/02/21 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: well of course this is an ancient worry. I am surprised Rhi has not mentioned Socrates and his fear that writing would weaken our cognitive skills.
[2012/02/21 16:17]  Khannea Suntzu: Roxie, we entrust nuclear power plants to machines as well.
[2012/02/21 16:18]  Roxie Marten: you are using examples we don’t have control over. I am talking in our own personal lives
[2012/02/21 16:18]  Khannea Suntzu: Khannea Suntzu lays a *panicked* cautionary hand on extropia’s leg (NOOO!)
[2012/02/21 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: ONTH Roxie we are well used to using machines to do jobs that would be far too impractical to perform by hand. It seems no less absurd to rely utterly on machines when they far exceed us in certain mental skills like memorization and recall.
[2012/02/21 16:20]  Roxie Marten: so in your opinon it would be okay to pass of knowing basic life skills to the machines.
[2012/02/21 16:21]  Roxie Marten: I don’t need to know how to read a map,I have a gps. I don’t need to know how to balance a check book I have an ap for that etc and etc
[2012/02/21 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: *Me pats Khannea’s hand, letting my own rest upon it a bit*
[2012/02/21 16:21]  Khannea Suntzu: Khannea Suntzu shivers
[2012/02/21 16:21]  Khannea Suntzu: Yep. Like spinning garments. Essential skill for survival. Every maid should learn spinning before marriage or her husband will backhand her.
[2012/02/21 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: It is OK so long as the technology is available to use.
[2012/02/21 16:22]  Scarp Godenot: haha
[2012/02/21 16:22]  Roxie Marten: the techho verson of timohty leary. tune out, login and drop out
[2012/02/21 16:22]  Khannea Suntzu: I agree Roxie. It’s a little like jumping off a high cliff into the sea yes? We *are* fully becoming a machine species.
[2012/02/21 16:23]  Scarp Godenot: You know, people misunderstand the ‘drop out’ part of that slogan. Drop out was drop out of culture, not drop out of school.
[2012/02/21 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: The thing with traditional maps and compasses is, they tend not to crash. If you have them and know how to use them, they always function.
[2012/02/21 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, I’m off. My DA is telling me tht i have to go to another event that Eternal Desires is hosting. And if I don’t, it will goose me
[2012/02/21 16:23]  Roxie Marten: I am not against techology, it’s matter how much do we want it to dumb us down
[2012/02/21 16:23]  Roxie Marten: send pics of the goosing
[2012/02/21 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: Send a bot Rhi, Rhi!
[2012/02/21 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Thank you ExtieE!
[2012/02/21 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Roxie, always
[2012/02/21 16:24]  Roxie Marten: a few years ago. I was at a fast food resturant and shocked the kids runnign the registers couldn’t make change
[2012/02/21 16:24]  Roxie Marten: the machine tells them how much ot give back
[2012/02/21 16:25]  Roxie Marten: the machine broke and they had to do it by hand
[2012/02/21 16:25]  Khannea Suntzu: Haha Rhiannon is being pimped by her apps
[2012/02/21 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon of the Birds waves as my apps force meme away
[2012/02/21 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: But is it dumbing down, Roxie, or is it more like offloading rote work to machines and leaving us free with more creative stuff? Like, if spellcheckers really worked it would be great because I could just get on with crafting my thoughts into essays and not pausing as I wrack my brains on the correct spelling of whatever.
[2012/02/21 16:26]  Scarp Godenot: So interesting point here. Some schools are starting to not teach cursive writing anymore. Will they not teach handwriting at all someday soon?
[2012/02/21 16:26]  Khannea Suntzu: Don’t doubt the wings Rox, r you’ll never fly with the eagles.
[2012/02/21 16:26]  Chraeloos: I agree Extie
[2012/02/21 16:26]  Roxie Marten: perahps but I will be sucked into a jet engine
[2012/02/21 16:27]  Roxie Marten: I will never
[2012/02/21 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: what is cursive writing?
[2012/02/21 16:27]  Khannea Suntzu: Then feel free to stay down there with the uhm dodo’s.
[2012/02/21 16:27]  Zobeid Zuma: Longhand, extie.
[2012/02/21 16:27]  Khannea Suntzu: I have a great longhand font
[2012/02/21 16:27]  Scarp Godenot: Longhand writing where the letters connect is cursive.
[2012/02/21 16:27]  Khannea Suntzu: Looks real nice
[2012/02/21 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: oh.
[2012/02/21 16:28]  Roxie Marten: I read a sf story about some kids in the future where everything was done by voice. they found an ancient penmanship book and thought they discovered a secret code
[2012/02/21 16:28]  Zobeid Zuma: But their time is limited. If they take the time to teach handwriting, what else are they giving up?
[2012/02/21 16:28]  Zobeid Zuma: A lot of schools don’t even teach touch typing. They figure keyboards are everywhere, kids will pick up how to use them. 😛
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Chraeloos: I’m going to log, sorry I missed most of this. Thanks Extie! See you all around 🙂 TC
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Khannea Suntzu: Well have you read Diamond Age, Rox? *mediaglyphics* 🙂
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Khannea Suntzu: I cant write cursive anymore
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: bye!
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Zobeid Zuma: Zobeid Zuma collects fountain pens! 😀
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Khannea Suntzu: Poem?
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: no we have a couple of minutes yet
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: unless you are all done?
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Roxie Marten: this sim hates me that’s crash number 4 since we started
[2012/02/21 16:29]  Scarp Godenot: So are you literate if you can’t write with a pen, but can type?
[2012/02/21 16:30]  Khannea Suntzu: Huh?? “fountain’ pens? sounds kinky, like bukkake pens. What do they do?
[2012/02/21 16:30]  Zobeid Zuma: Fountain pens…. LP records… I have a surprising amount of old tech around.
[2012/02/21 16:30]  Roxie Marten: fountain pen the civilized way of wrrting
[2012/02/21 16:30]  Khannea Suntzu: Pfff ‘tech”
[2012/02/21 16:30]  Scarp Godenot: Bukkake pens? what?
[2012/02/21 16:30]  Zobeid Zuma: A fountain pen is a pen that contains its own ink reservoir, so you don’t have to dip it in an inkwell every few lines! Very modern. 🙂
[2012/02/21 16:30]  Roxie Marten: and they don’t take batteries
[2012/02/21 16:31]  Extropia DaSilva: Nothing wrong with old tech, Zo. It stuck around because it is reliable.
[2012/02/21 16:31]  Extropia DaSilva: And with that bomshell from a rabid futurist, my time is up!
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