[2011/11/08 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Welcome to Thinkers!
[2011/11/08 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Back after a week’s break..
[2011/11/08 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Today we are discussing (another topic suggested by Zo…)
[2011/11/08 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: THE AI SUMMER: AI research failed to live up to its hype in times gone by, but do the likes of Watson and Siri mean we are finally approaching an AI summer in which its full potential is realised?
[2011/11/08 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yay for Zo!)
[2011/11/08 15:35]  Zobeid Zuma: Yay!
[2011/11/08 15:36]  Zobeid Zuma: There have been rumblings for a while that AI was starting to pay off. With the whole DARPA self-driving cars program, and more effective natural language translation programs. . . and a few other things.
[2011/11/08 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: I guess it depends on your definition of ‘true AI’.
[2011/11/08 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: But mostly behind the scenes, or in research still. Not something most ordinary people were exposed to. What’s cool about Siri is that its easily recognized as some kind of AI, and it’s going into the hands of millions of people.
[2011/11/08 15:37]  Khannea Suntzu: Yes. The awakening of a whole ecology of AI’s automation infrastructures, robotics ecologies and lineages of microform swarms is night, and I mean in a few yers.
[2011/11/08 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “Planet Khannea” is also a fascinating place to live.
[2011/11/08 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: Siri isn’t exactly HAL (and doesn’t like to be compared with him!). . . But something like HAL couldn’t just appear out of thin air. It has to be assembled out of less impressive components, and those components are starting firm up.
[2011/11/08 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: starting to, even
[2011/11/08 15:40]  Khannea Suntzu: Problem is
[2011/11/08 15:40]  Khannea Suntzu: That primarily rich bastards will only be able to afford these wonders of novel technology.
[2011/11/08 15:40]  Zobeid Zuma: What’s your basis for that, I wonder?
[2011/11/08 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: If you add the caveat ‘at first’ you might be right, sweets.
[2011/11/08 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: An iPhone isn’t *that* expensive. 😛
[2011/11/08 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: Although Siri is affordable.
[2011/11/08 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: Maybe a driverless car will be expensive at first?
[2011/11/08 15:42]  Ivy Sunkiller: hey heya
[2011/11/08 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: Cars are expensive anyhow.
[2011/11/08 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: Hello Ivy!
[2011/11/08 15:42]  Khannea Suntzu: Heya tasteful one
[2011/11/08 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah but I mean ‘Lamborghini’ expensive.
[2011/11/08 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi Ivy 🙂
[2011/11/08 15:42]  Ivy Sunkiller: Ivy Sunkiller grins at K
[2011/11/08 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: Yeah. . .
[2011/11/08 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, considering what you would save in driver insurance, a driverless car would be affordable after 350 years or so… lol
[2011/11/08 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry, I’m in my sarcastic day!
[2011/11/08 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: It wouldn’t pay to develop something like that and only put it into Lambos. You have to go for the mass market to make it viable.
[2011/11/08 15:43]  ArtCrash Exonar: Yay sarcasm!
[2011/11/08 15:43]  Ivy Sunkiller: Ivy Sunkiller whips rezz hamsters
[2011/11/08 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn waves @ Art
[2011/11/08 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: where is Toy?
[2011/11/08 15:43]  Ivy Sunkiller: in bed
[2011/11/08 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: ah.
[2011/11/08 15:44]  Zobeid Zuma: It’s software. The cost is in *developing* it, not in deploying it. And that means that once you’ve sunk the money into getting it working, you have incentive to sell it as widely as possible.
[2011/11/08 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: There are really not many technological innovations that don’t start to be sold in luxury markets first, and then trickle down to the consumer mass-market as production increases…
[2011/11/08 15:44]  Khannea Suntzu: How many toys does it need to get screwed with a light bulb?
[2011/11/08 15:45]  ArtCrash Exonar: ha ha Khannea
[2011/11/08 15:45]  Khannea Suntzu: Not sure but it’s done with great quality
[2011/11/08 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Specially if they’re *completely new*
[2011/11/08 15:45]  Ivy Sunkiller: depending on patents in use, you might have deployment cost
[2011/11/08 15:45]  Zobeid Zuma: Oh gawd, patents. 😛
[2011/11/08 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And if the technology is *fantastic*, you will certainly have huge patent costs ㋡
[2011/11/08 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: I forsee driverless vehicles as the next thing to have a major effect on the job’s market. Just think of all the jobs that will disappear once driverless vehicles are reliable and affordable.
[2011/11/08 15:45]  Khannea Suntzu: Khannea Suntzu waves a TL bar around.
[2011/11/08 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: a what?
[2011/11/08 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: My university does a driverless van… it works so well that they’re forbidden to drive it off campus 🙂
[2011/11/08 15:46]  Khannea Suntzu: Ohw… a neon uhm how you call those.
[2011/11/08 15:46]  ArtCrash Exonar: Jobs like taxi drivers?
[2011/11/08 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Taxi drivers, bus drivers, lorry drivers…
[2011/11/08 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: delivery..
[2011/11/08 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: right…
[2011/11/08 15:46]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: someone will still have to carry packages to the door when it comes to delivery
[2011/11/08 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And they’re tireless, too. No need to work in shifts.
[2011/11/08 15:47]  ArtCrash Exonar: Delivery still needs a deliverer…. heh
[2011/11/08 15:47]  Khannea Suntzu: Yah best not to frighten the mundanes this early with the mech freight drones.
[2011/11/08 15:47]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: and some folks will still want people to help them with their bags and tell them about the town their driving in
[2011/11/08 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Khannea 🙂
[2011/11/08 15:47]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: so it won’t replace people, but take away some jobs sure
[2011/11/08 15:47]  Ivy Sunkiller: drivers that will lose jobs will start farming gold in diablo 3 instead
[2011/11/08 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: pfft 🙂
[2011/11/08 15:47]  Arisia Vita: I always thought locomotive driving would be easier for an AI, no steering wheel…
[2011/11/08 15:48]  Khannea Suntzu: /train
[2011/11/08 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: It should be, Ari.
[2011/11/08 15:48]  ArtCrash Exonar: Who need jobs, someday I’ll win the lottery and lord it over all the serfs! (politics of the right in 2011)
[2011/11/08 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, right, Ari… but there are a lot of driverless trains in operation today.
[2011/11/08 15:48]  Khannea Suntzu: /follow extropia
[2011/11/08 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: I think the royal mail used a driverless train.
[2011/11/08 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Could be! Is the underground train system for Royal Mail in London still operational? I remember reading an article about that — fascinating, what is below ground in London 🙂
[2011/11/08 15:49]  ArtCrash Exonar: AI’s are very zen, they literally CAN ‘be the ball’.
[2011/11/08 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Around my neighbourhood there is a driverless monorail in operation — public transportation. €1 to do a few kms.
[2011/11/08 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: That is the one I was thinking of, Gwyn. However, I do not know if it is still operating or not.
[2011/11/08 15:50]  Kore Jardberg: Hi
[2011/11/08 15:50]  Ivy Sunkiller: hoy hoy
[2011/11/08 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: BTW (and I do not mean this in an existential sense, only in terms of the jobs market) Is Pyotr right that technology will *never* fully replace people?
[2011/11/08 15:51]  ArtCrash Exonar: One of the first uses in industry of AI was concrete making. Apparently there are so many variables, that changes need to be adjusted constantly…..
[2011/11/08 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: On Siri: the problems of “too ne” technology:
[2011/11/08 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *too new
[2011/11/08 15:51]  Khannea Suntzu: Ok! lets put all the talk about robots and jawbs aside. And automated brokerage systems too. Are we missing some unknown unknowns here we should be focussing on as technoloprogressive coolhunters and consultants?
[2011/11/08 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now that’s an excellent question, Extie 🙂 I would say that humans will always find something more interesting to do 🙂
[2011/11/08 15:52]  Zobeid Zuma: The thing about Siri. . . and the driverless cars, and the language translators, etc. . . is that they clearly don’t “think” anything like the way a human does, and if you ever do get strong AI out of that technology, it’s likely to be rather alien.
[2011/11/08 15:52]  Kore Jardberg: Extropia: why not?
[2011/11/08 15:52]  Khannea Suntzu: Khannea Suntzu nods so *vigorously* ast Gwyn her titties wobble.
[2011/11/08 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: pfft
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: Why not…well maybe nobody is motivated to try and get a robot to do task X, thinking ‘well this is best left to people’.
[2011/11/08 15:53]  ArtCrash Exonar: I should look up pfft and see if it is in Urban Dictionary!
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Kore Jardberg: Zobeid: that’s mostly because these “AI” are not neuroscience based but the results of engineers and mathematicans theoricists
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: Right.
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Don’t talk to me about language translators grrr…. spend the whole day working on interfaces to MT 😛
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: MT?
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Machine Translation
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ironically,
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh.
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: For one thing, getting back to your Rich Bastards… it will be a status thing to have AI workers until they’re cheap enough for anyone.. THEN it’ll probably be high status to hire people again
[2011/11/08 15:53]  ArtCrash Exonar: Nice!
[2011/11/08 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: the best results come from statistical methods,
[2011/11/08 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: who have absolutely no idea about grammar rules.
[2011/11/08 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *which
[2011/11/08 15:54]  Khannea Suntzu: Zobeid are you personally concerned about all those east coast liberals and bankers and investors taking the jobs of real hardworking americans?
[2011/11/08 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pyotr: well said!!!
[2011/11/08 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: That is off topic, Khannea.
[2011/11/08 15:55]  Zobeid Zuma: Ehh?
[2011/11/08 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ARt: fun ㋡ hehe
[2011/11/08 15:55]  Khannea Suntzu: Hmmmmm!
[2011/11/08 15:55]  ArtCrash Exonar: East coast liberal and Banker hardly go in the same box.
[2011/11/08 15:55]  Kore Jardberg: Pyotr: in my opinion, it is more costly to replace “motor” workers than cognitive ones in the short term because human muscles and anatomy require more sophisticated technology than his nervous system considering today technology
[2011/11/08 15:56]  Kore Jardberg: (a neuroscientist opinion, btw)
[2011/11/08 15:56]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: I can see that Kore, but in the long term, I think that if we can imagine it, it’ll happen
[2011/11/08 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah, in general the more naturally a task comes to us, the harder it is for a robot to replicate it.
[2011/11/08 15:56]  Khannea Suntzu: Inception times of human labor is becoming longer than specialized machine inception times.
[2011/11/08 15:56]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: and there’s a whole lot of science fiction authors imagining a whole heck of a lot
[2011/11/08 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In the long term, if it’s economically feasible, it’ll happen.
[2011/11/08 15:56]  Kore Jardberg: Pyotr: yes, I’m just saying that engineers will be replaced before maids
[2011/11/08 15:56]  ArtCrash Exonar: Can AI’s be ‘creative’? Seems to violate their whole mode of being, which is objective…….
[2011/11/08 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: BUt, like Pyotr said if humans can do it that proves the principle of a physical system able to do that task. And it is just a matter of figuring out how to get machines to do it.
[2011/11/08 15:57]  Zobeid Zuma: Can babies be creative? What we have now are baby AIs. Or not even that. . . They’re closer to insects, or maybe bits and pieces of AIs.
[2011/11/08 15:57]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: I can see that Kore, although some aspects of maids don’t even need much AI.. look at the Roomba robots for example
[2011/11/08 15:57]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: creativity has two bases: random and “fill the gaps” type exploration, and both are well defined computationally
[2011/11/08 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: AI is already creative.
[2011/11/08 15:58]  Zobeid Zuma: It’s just that the bits and pieces are starting to become useful, and we’re starting to plug a few of them together.
[2011/11/08 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It is, Extie? In what sense?
[2011/11/08 15:58]  Ivy Sunkiller: our AI as of now is hardly comparable with that of an insect
[2011/11/08 15:58]  ArtCrash Exonar: Kore, what focuses the virtually infinite choices of those AIs?
[2011/11/08 15:58]  Ivy Sunkiller: we are only starting with cognitive computing
[2011/11/08 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: In the sense that AI has devised novel scientific theories and ways to test it that was judged by peer review panel of scientists as ‘creative’.
[2011/11/08 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Really…. linky please!
[2011/11/08 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: wait..
[2011/11/08 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So we’re definitely improving on the infinite monkeys with typewriters model?
[2011/11/08 16:00]  Khannea Suntzu: General question – when will AIs be ‘smart-acious’ enough as to generate applied engineering solutions… i.e. that they can start making the first non-human suipervised hardware/software design solutions? I’d like to crowdsource this, anyone any votes?
[2011/11/08 16:00]  Khannea Suntzu: Me I’d vote for 2025
[2011/11/08 16:00]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: it depends on the AI design, but in the AGI I develop, which is human neurobiology based, it just works like the real thing: there is a context defined by the subject needs and there is an exploration of unexplored paths. Every time a path is explored there’s a new connection in the hippocampus inhibiting stress and orienting reactions, thus marking it as “already done”, the rest is what remains to be explored
[2011/11/08 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d vote “in the next 50 years” to be revised in 2061 😉
[2011/11/08 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: so how does the final deciding get done, as creativity is a continuous set of ‘final’ decisions.
[2011/11/08 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: page 283 of Singularity Is near: “A long-standingf conjecture in algebra was finally proved by an AI system…Human mathematicians called the proof ‘creative'”. So not the robot scientist after all. But still creative!
[2011/11/08 16:02]  Khannea Suntzu: Khannea Suntzu looks scared at Trophy
[2011/11/08 16:02]  Zobeid Zuma: The appearance of Siri is more of a psychological, or even sociological, threshhold than a technical one. This is when people start to think of AI as something we have, instead of something in the vaguely defined, distant, sci-fi future.
[2011/11/08 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: I am not scary. I am beautiful.
[2011/11/08 16:03]  Khannea Suntzu: Yes yes trophy that may be so but what about Ezekiel 23:20 ?
[2011/11/08 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, at least I can agree with that, Zo — if AIs become ubiquous, they will succeed
[2011/11/08 16:03]  Zobeid Zuma: And as they become familiar with Siri guiding them around town, they may become more open to a robotic car driving them around town. One step at a time.
[2011/11/08 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: Why would they not consider the NPCs in thousands of videogames as AI?
[2011/11/08 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That is foreseeable, yes
[2011/11/08 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good question, Extie 🙂
[2011/11/08 16:03]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: we’d have to detail the whole human nervous system to answer this, but as a general rule, there is competition between systems and between neurons, and through resonance between systems, the “best” choice is amplified; a conscious decision is always the result of thousands microdecisions summing up before the subject is aware of the result
[2011/11/08 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: At least from a purely academic PoV, NPCs *are* AI
[2011/11/08 16:04]  Zobeid Zuma: From my gaming experience, most of them are more like AS — artificial stupidity. 😛
[2011/11/08 16:04]  ArtCrash Exonar: I guess all I’m saying about creativity and AI is that initial conditions envisioning the parameters of a final solutions need to be input at the start, whereas in my experience, creativity in art doesn’t envision an end until it is arrived at by stopping the choices, and that cannot be pre envisioned.
[2011/11/08 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Zo — I’m employing a different definition of AI 😉
[2011/11/08 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I would certainly agree with yours 😉
[2011/11/08 16:05]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: and how would this make humans different to AI based creativity?
[2011/11/08 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: True! I mean, it should be impossible to beat the computer. Take an FPS for instance, it should be impossible to beat it becaise it could take you out even if it shot from over the horizon! But they give the NPC something like human’s limited vision.
[2011/11/08 16:06]  ArtCrash Exonar: The AI would have to have pre knowledge of a goal. Whereas the human would not.
[2011/11/08 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It could just flip a coin…. to see if it reaches the goal or not 😉
[2011/11/08 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: SO it might “look” creative 50% of the time 🙂
[2011/11/08 16:07]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: humans DO have goals, your stomach and your hypothalamus will remind you of eating, drinking, or sleeping
[2011/11/08 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: But art, even for people ‘creativity’ is really just taking bits and pieces of other people’s ideas and rearranging them to make something new.
[2011/11/08 16:07]  ArtCrash Exonar: I’m not saying humans don’t have goals, I’m saying that in artistic creativity, that those goals are defined after the fact in many cases.
[2011/11/08 16:07]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: “waking” is itself a “goal”, in the sense that you have to act, just like a kitten in a new garden will move, without having a destination, but having this impulse to move
[2011/11/08 16:08]  Zobeid Zuma: There is no more intrepid explorer than a kitten!
[2011/11/08 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: uhuh:)
[2011/11/08 16:08]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: they are not goals but consequences then
[2011/11/08 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha oh yes 🙂
[2011/11/08 16:09]  ArtCrash Exonar: You can make reasons up to justify your random acts. That is what I’m saying. heh
[2011/11/08 16:09]  Arisia Vita: wb K
[2011/11/08 16:09]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: okay, but this rationalization is not specific to humans
[2011/11/08 16:10]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: for example when a rat tastes a pellet of food, she will determine afterwards that it was palatable food, not before
[2011/11/08 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: so we have not really taked about Watson. I would say that is the closest we have got to HAL, as it was pretty good at natural language, at least in terms of doing Jeopardy.
[2011/11/08 16:10]  ArtCrash Exonar: I can see where you are coming from Kore.
[2011/11/08 16:10]  Zobeid Zuma: I didn’t see that show with Watson, I guess I should look it up sometime.
[2011/11/08 16:10]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: France, right
[2011/11/08 16:10]  ArtCrash Exonar: haha
[2011/11/08 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: I saw highlights on youtube.
[2011/11/08 16:11]  Kore Jardberg: Extropia: he didn’t express feelings, did he?
[2011/11/08 16:11]  ArtCrash Exonar: CyberFrance
[2011/11/08 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[2011/11/08 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “made up of a cluster of ninety IBM Power 750 servers” — we won’t get that on the iPhone 5 yet 😉
[2011/11/08 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: I remember Peter Norvig saying Google would, in 50 years, evolve into something that you converse with. You ask it questions and it answers them, rather than directing you to a website that might have the answer. Watson might be a step or two in that direction.
[2011/11/08 16:12]  Kore Jardberg: Gwyneth: unless your phone is connected to a cloud
[2011/11/08 16:13]  Zobeid Zuma: Yeah, Siri doesn’t do much of its processing on your phone either.
[2011/11/08 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: No?
[2011/11/08 16:13]  Kore Jardberg: Extropia: I doubt it would be Google per se though, because their infrastructure is way too static to allow them to evolve into a massive distributed artificial general intelligence
[2011/11/08 16:13]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: Gwyneth, can’t think it’ll take that long though. I remember when the Last Starfighter came out it took a building full of Crays to do the animation, now they can do better work on a Mac Laptop
[2011/11/08 16:14]  ArtCrash Exonar: interesting Link Gwyn!
[2011/11/08 16:14]  Zobeid Zuma: One right answer is worth more than a thousand blue links.
[2011/11/08 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: Interesting thing about Watson is that it can recall verbatim the whole of wikipedia! Just think what it will mean when it is also as smart as people in other ways (which it certainly is not at the moment). I sure wish I wcould remember and recall perfectly every single thing I ever read!
[2011/11/08 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: A thousand blue links generate more revenue for Google, though. Although I can imagine that they might spin off a project just for fun…
[2011/11/08 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Even though Page is cancelling pretty much every project at Google that doesn’t show revenue or promise of revenue…
[2011/11/08 16:17]  Kore Jardberg: He dropped 20 R&D projects, right?
[2011/11/08 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Maybe IBM will enter the market of search engines 🙂
[2011/11/08 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Something like that, Kore…
[2011/11/08 16:17]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think Google finally realized they blew it with Google plus and their identity requirement. But it is too late.
[2011/11/08 16:18]  Extropia DaSilva: I still survive on G+!
[2011/11/08 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, Art; they dropped Buzz to make sure everybody stays on G+. I wonder if they won’t drop Orkut too…
[2011/11/08 16:18]  Khannea Suntzu: Yes. They realize that now.
[2011/11/08 16:18]  Kore Jardberg: Google has no future, Siri proves search doesn’t need a web page
[2011/11/08 16:18]  Zobeid Zuma: I’m still avoiding G+! (And Facebook, for that matter.)
[2011/11/08 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now that’s true, Kore!
[2011/11/08 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: Of course Google has a future:)
[2011/11/08 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: Doesn’t search need a bunch of servers to search though Kore?
[2011/11/08 16:19]  Khannea Suntzu: My linked in says I worked at Google and I am an owner.
[2011/11/08 16:19]  Khannea Suntzu: I owned them’
[2011/11/08 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: 😀
[2011/11/08 16:19]  Kore Jardberg: ArtCrash: yes, but that doesn’t imply Google ones
[2011/11/08 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Siri does NOT use Google, for instance… 🙂
[2011/11/08 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: There is life beyond Google!
[2011/11/08 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: Bing?
[2011/11/08 16:20]  Kore Jardberg: Now the question is who is going to be at the interface between the user and the database, and the smartest interface, the closest
[2011/11/08 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Apple will never use technology from MS and now from Google, if they can avoid it 🙂
[2011/11/08 16:20]  Kore Jardberg: Gwyneth: not officially, at least lol
[2011/11/08 16:20]  Extropia DaSilva: Well no. Bit then again ‘cpu’ does not have to mean intel but probably does becaise they are far and away the most popular manufacturer. Similarly, we all know to search IS to Google. Not ‘to ‘siri’.
[2011/11/08 16:21]  ArtCrash Exonar: Apple has always and will always use technology from Microsoft.
[2011/11/08 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: give it some more years… 😉
[2011/11/08 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Did I hear Zo faint?
[2011/11/08 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles at Art — you mean *steal* technology from MS
[2011/11/08 16:21]  ArtCrash Exonar: I mean Word etc.
[2011/11/08 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: They don’t “use” it.
[2011/11/08 16:22]  ArtCrash Exonar: Don’t forget that Microsoft saved Apple from Bankruptcy back in the day….
[2011/11/08 16:22]  Zobeid Zuma: I didn’t faint, but I did sort of wonder.
[2011/11/08 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m pretty sure that any Apple employee seen using Word at Apple’s HQ will be immediately fired for not using Pages… 😉
[2011/11/08 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not Microsoft, Art — Bill Gates
[2011/11/08 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gates put up the money out of his own pocket 🙂
[2011/11/08 16:22]  Khannea Suntzu: Oh incodentally anyone heard of the january 2012 global crowd project? Dress up as realistic zombies and on january 1 walk the streets in large shambling gangs?
[2011/11/08 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: … and made at least 4 times the investment
[2011/11/08 16:23]  ArtCrash Exonar: And he also committed to software for them in perpetuity.
[2011/11/08 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Khannea — what would be the point?
[2011/11/08 16:23]  Khannea Suntzu: 2012
[2011/11/08 16:23]  Kore Jardberg: Gwyneth: I second this
[2011/11/08 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: You get to be a zombie Gwyn!
[2011/11/08 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What’s the fun about being a zombie??
[2011/11/08 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don’t get it….
[2011/11/08 16:24]  Khannea Suntzu: Scare the mundanes half to death?
[2011/11/08 16:24]  Kore Jardberg: Democratic massive fun
[2011/11/08 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
[2011/11/08 16:24]  Khannea Suntzu: pfft
[2011/11/08 16:24]  ArtCrash Exonar: You get to eat brains!
[2011/11/08 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: right! 🙂
[2011/11/08 16:24]  Extropia DaSilva: I can coach you. Hold your arms out and repeat after me: ” UUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRR…..”
[2011/11/08 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Eeek. Have you ever tasted a brain, Art? If you did, you wouldn’t find it very appealing.
[2011/11/08 16:24]  Khannea Suntzu: Khannea Suntzu looks at Trophy with apprehension and dread.
[2011/11/08 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: are you speaking from personal experience, Gwyn!?
[2011/11/08 16:25]  ArtCrash Exonar: A mind is a terrible thing to taste. …..or is that waste?
[2011/11/08 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: so we all done?
[2011/11/08 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure; as kids we all had to eat brains. Not *human* brains, though, but I can hardly believe the taste would be much different.
[2011/11/08 16:25]  ArtCrash Exonar: Brains and eggs used to be standard fare at the truck stop!
[2011/11/08 16:26]  Khannea Suntzu: I was in a plane once and this old guy fed me some fried brain in garlic. Was not bad.
[2011/11/08 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps deeply fried…
[2011/11/08 16:26]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: I’ve had Jello brains… tasted like jello actually
[2011/11/08 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anything deeply fried can be eaten
[2011/11/08 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cockroaches, yummy
[2011/11/08 16:26]  ArtCrash Exonar: gack
[2011/11/08 16:27]  Khannea Suntzu:
[2011/11/08 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: If it’s deeply fried… tastes just like brains 🙂
[2011/11/08 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: I take it this discussion about brains and how to cook them means you are tired of the main topic?
[2011/11/08 16:27]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: With you all the way ArtCrash
[2011/11/08 16:27]  Pyotr Vantongerloo: Or at least intimidated by it Extropia
[2011/11/08 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: Well I am so….this discussion is closed!
[2011/11/08 16:27]  Zobeid Zuma: AI isn’t tasty enough yet. 😛
[2011/11/08 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, we can eat artificial brains and become artificial zombies?
[2011/11/08 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: NEXT WEEK…WEAK ANTROPIC PRINCIPLE..
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