THINKERS AUG 23 2011: SOCIAL MEDIA CRACKDOWN

Extropia DaSilva: Today, the topic is….SOCIAL MEDIA CRACKDOWN…
[2011/08/23 15:36]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: Rhiannon Chatnoir waves to Gwyneth Llewelyn
[2011/08/23 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: If the UK government restricts social networking in answer to the riots, what separates it from the Arab tyrannies and China? On the other hand, does freedom of speech and freedom to protest really extend as far as the actions seen in the past weeks? If the riots were coordinated via social networking, is some restrictions a price worth paying to prevent further disruption to daily life?
[2011/08/23 15:37]  Lem Skall: did you wait for me to start? ;P
[2011/08/23 15:37]  Scarp Godenot: always!
[2011/08/23 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: Of course. Got to have my Lem before we begin.
[2011/08/23 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn waves hi to everybody!
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, I don’t think such censorship can work; underground networkds will be created
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Scarp Godenot: Confusing communication systems with causation is pretty freaking stupic.
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Scarp Godenot: stupid
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I totally agree
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: as they did in some of the Arab countries that also had similar citizen organization through social networks
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The only result is that the technologically-minded will use encrypted, alternative ways to communicate, while legitimate users will be left out
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, it’s a typical response of governments though to break down communications to have order
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: “Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security” — Ben Franklin
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Lem Skall: what kind of restrictions are you thinking of anyway?
[2011/08/23 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hear hear ZO!
[2011/08/23 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Intercept mail; in East Germany, the Soviet Union restricted long distance
[2011/08/23 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that using China’s country-wide firewalling/gatewaying system is an idea
[2011/08/23 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: You mean, hear hear Ben?
[2011/08/23 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly!
[2011/08/23 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, the technology is already readily available
[2011/08/23 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I know, Rhi
[2011/08/23 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tor, for example
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It will just make it more difficult for the government to actually know ahead of time what’s going on
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Scarp Godenot: Even thinking about repressing free speech should be fought to the maximum. But people are sheep and their fear rules their tiny sheep brains…….
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Zobeid Zuma: But you knew which side I’d be on, since I’m one of those crazed Tea Party extremists. :/
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The point is that only a few use it
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: I wonder what the ratio of folks using social networking to organize riots versus the ratio using it to condem the troubles was?
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, well, that will change with restraictions by the government
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well perhaps, yes
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Some people use PGP simply because the government wouldn’t like it
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can imagine that
[2011/08/23 15:40]  Lem Skall: well, you can’t restrict access for everyone because a few use it for the wrong purposes
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Note that I’m not saying that this isn’t going to be the consequence; because, yes, it is the consequence
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Lem, it wouldn’t be ethicsl or practical to do so
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: Sure you can, Lem. The goverment has that kind of power.
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then the Government can escalate… and forbid the use of cryptography
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zobeid, actually I ithink in this case, they don’t
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: true
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, well, they already tried that in the US
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I know!
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Zobeid Zuma: They can make all kinds of things illegal on a whim, and then enforce it (to varying degrees).
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Couldn’t do it without wrecking the ecnomoy
[2011/08/23 15:41]  Lem Skall: Zo, the Chinese government does have that kind of power, the UK government doesn’t because it would fall
[2011/08/23 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the economy is already wrecked
[2011/08/23 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s an optimistic thought, Lem
[2011/08/23 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: I do not think there is any country that allows totally uncensored web access.
[2011/08/23 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): The Chinese government really doesn’t; they restricted access to the internet; bribery fixted that problem
[2011/08/23 15:42]  Scarp Godenot: I would like to tell David Cameron to read the book 1984. Maybe he can get some more cool ideas!
[2011/08/23 15:42]  Laborious Aftermath: why not keep the network up for the better parts and send moles into suspected groups that might be violent like they do with some of the other groups that can be violent
[2011/08/23 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oooh Extie…. now that’s a bold claim
[2011/08/23 15:42]  Lem Skall: No, it’s not an optimistic thought, governments have falen for less
[2011/08/23 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: How would that work?
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Lab, that’s what I was getting at earlier; the idea of keeping the network open makes gov. infiltration easier
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lab, exactly, that falls neatly in what is commonly known as routine police work….
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I mean how many of us are gov. agents? Could be all of us, for all we know
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Laborious Aftermath: also more intell and uptodate that way or closest to real time
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: Would any of us really *want* zero restrictions?
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Alexi Flux: If people use social networking to organise riots, then the law and order folk can listen in and respond accordingly
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Communication makes for better intel
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Kimiko Yiyuan: In any case it is rather unlikely though that Britains government would ever really be able to pull that off the way China does. Not because they would fall but because they neither have the money and – more important – the amount of staff that would be needed for that.
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: wait… what restrictions do we have *now*
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Scarp Godenot: I know I am spying on all of you evil thinkers! We KNOW you are subversive. Don’t ask us how, but we KNOW.
[2011/08/23 15:43]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: although enough fear in the populace and you don’t even need government agents
[2011/08/23 15:44]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: then you have 1984
[2011/08/23 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s ultimately what I’m actually afraid of, Rhi
[2011/08/23 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon, that’s true, but again, it would be easier to pull off a paranoid surveillance if they allowed an open network
[2011/08/23 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The ‘nymwars show how much people actuyally *want* 1984
[2011/08/23 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, that is actually the only real fear
[2011/08/23 15:44]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod
[2011/08/23 15:44]  Lem Skall: Kim, there is opposition in the UK and they would tear down a government that would do something like that
[2011/08/23 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Unfortunately I think you’re right, Rhi
[2011/08/23 15:45]  Scarp Godenot: I think the threat to us in the future will be when companies like Google present all of our internet traffic information to the local despot for inspection. Very likely scenario.
[2011/08/23 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The difference between 1984 and what we have now is that megacorps play a role stronger than governments…
[2011/08/23 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: What is nymwars? Botgirl is going on about it and I do not know what she is going on about.
[2011/08/23 15:45]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): The prospects for self censorship and people truning inn others on their network is endless
[2011/08/23 15:45]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: but think of how much citizens in the US allowed to have change with laws post 9/11
[2011/08/23 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: it’s the ongoing discussion around the right to be pseudonymous on the Internet, and how megacorps are fighting that
[2011/08/23 15:45]  Zobeid Zuma: In the USA we have laws against online gambling, pretty much anything related to kiddie porn, piracy, trading stolen credit card numbers, calling for the assassination of public officials, etc, etc. :/ But *most* of that is not coded into the system, it’s just that you can be prosecuted if you do it.
[2011/08/23 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh.
[2011/08/23 15:45]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: have fear and then add in focus on a common enemy/goal or thing that the average person would fear
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Scarp Godenot: nymwars is a twitter thread handle for Google plus requiring RL information in order to use their product.
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Z aira
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Alas, Rhi. Textbook totalitarism
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Zaira Artful: hi Rhia .. everyone
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Scarp Godenot: #nymwars on twitter, go check it out
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Hi Zaira 🙂
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Zaira Artful: 🙂
[2011/08/23 15:46]  TR Amat: I’m in the UK. What they said was they reserved the right to shut down the social networkds if they were a risk to public order…
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, when it comes to nymwars, one state tried that and it was pointed out that privacy was an issue–nobody really wants others to access their privatge info
[2011/08/23 15:46]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: thanks for that hashtag Scarp.. will do
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): TR, yes, that’s like shutting down the phones, and they had done that
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok ok enough with Nymwars unless it is relevant to our topic:)
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: it’s Facebook too. People are just less tolerant of Google “doing evil”
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It is to a degreee…
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): You’d have to go to an offshore provider; darn it, will the horror never cease.
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Suppose that the UK does NOT go the route that China went,
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Jizz!
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Zobeid Zuma: The one area where it seems like they keep pushing for some kind of coded restrictions is in the piracy-and-DRM area.
[2011/08/23 15:47]  TR Amat: I’m pretty sure that the givernment wouldn’t authorise the shutdown of public networks unless they were really desperate…
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Opposition can get in line. You only need a big enough incident and most of them would agree that more drastic measures should be enabled. My point though is that as it is now that would actually not much more than talk. They would not be able to do that really effectiffly because of the reasons I stated. Especially in the current situation, and them wanting to cut police budget and what not.
[2011/08/23 15:47]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): It is, I think; being able to communicate pseudononymously is pretty important for any kind of civil dissent
[2011/08/23 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: but instead partners with Google, Bing,Yahoo… and demand that THEY filter content on behalf of the UK citizens
[2011/08/23 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Violet, or any kind of communication on the web
[2011/08/23 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don’t see a huge room full of censors…
[2011/08/23 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: What I see is an agreement with Google Yahoo Bing
[2011/08/23 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: Social networks work for the law as well as against. Think how easy the prosecution will find it, when you have what amounts to a full confession right there on someone’s FB page:)
[2011/08/23 15:48]  Laborious Aftermath: if they don’t know who I am from a sudo then thats there problem .I know my friends know them.
[2011/08/23 15:48]  ʍɨռǟ (ahmina.serdyuk): up!
[2011/08/23 15:49]  Scarp Godenot: #nymwars it totally related to our topic because many internet powerhouses have stated that any names not your birth name should not be allowed on the future internet. This is how they would tie all communications to you for future despots.
[2011/08/23 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree, Scarpo
[2011/08/23 15:49]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Which actually happened a few times already Ex.
[2011/08/23 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: We have discussed the wars for online identity a few years ago….
[2011/08/23 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: As OpenID lost that war, megacorps seized the opportunity
[2011/08/23 15:50]  TR Amat: Looks like Google+ will have to kick me off then…
[2011/08/23 15:50]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, well, they would have to demand your birth certificate or SS # to enforce that; oh, that will go over big
[2011/08/23 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: Good thing ‘Extropia DaSilva’s *is* my birth name. Well, Rez name, which is the same thing for a digital person such as myself.
[2011/08/23 15:50]  Scarp Godenot: Gwyn has a great story on the website My Name Is Me on this topic http://my.nameis.me/
[2011/08/23 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So all a government needs to do is to “demand” that all identity providers (and, to be honest, only a few are needed…. ) start applying strict measures
[2011/08/23 15:50]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And it will be going to a bar all voer; you borrow your big sister’s id
[2011/08/23 15:50]  Laborious Aftermath: so we end up with 10,000 joe smiths or such? How are they going to solve that and keep real names with out more personal information given out freely
[2011/08/23 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: so long as you can prove that in a RL court, you’re clear.
[2011/08/23 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: aw thank you Scarp hehe
[2011/08/23 15:51]  TR Amat: Isn’t it illegal to demand the Social Security number except for government/official stuff?
[2011/08/23 15:51]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): TR, you can demand it for all sorts of things
[2011/08/23 15:51]  Zobeid Zuma: It’s one of those laws that’s totally unenforced TR.
[2011/08/23 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: yes in many countries, but megacorps could care less. You don’t HAVE to give them any info. You don’t HAVE to use their services.
[2011/08/23 15:51]  Scarp Godenot: TR, that was illegal, but it isn’t know
[2011/08/23 15:51]  Scarp Godenot: now
[2011/08/23 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh I see. Even worse
[2011/08/23 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gwyn, and they are not going to check; if you have a dead relative’s social security number, how are they going to know?
[2011/08/23 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The issue is, even if it were illegal… who can afford to sue megacorps except other megacorps?
[2011/08/23 15:52]  Zaira Artful: the us government has been reading emails for a good number of years with SAC stored communications act .. and canadian government is trying to do same
[2011/08/23 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rhi: depends on how that is checked…
[2011/08/23 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): The whole point of these is not for them to work, but to get us all afraid and used to police state tactics
[2011/08/23 15:52]  TR Amat: I’ve been using a variety on names on the net for more than 20yrs now…
[2011/08/23 15:52]  TR Amat: of names*
[2011/08/23 15:53]  Scarp Godenot: Google and Facebook think you aren’t a real person then, TR
[2011/08/23 15:53]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In Extie’s paranoid scenario, I can certainly imagine that governments might start giving access to their databases to “certified identity providers”…. sure, that’s illegal…. and in many cases, anti-constitutional… but so what? How can you complain?
[2011/08/23 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: I found a couple of fun links. . . . .
[2011/08/23 15:53]  Laborious Aftermath: if the services squeeze to hard and the people don’t like it then they can drop that service in most cases
[2011/08/23 15:53]  Lem Skall: man, you’re such a bunch of paranoids, I think you even give too much credit to what governments are technically capable of, let alone morally and ethically
[2011/08/23 15:53]  Zobeid Zuma: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20017671-281.html
[2011/08/23 15:53]  Zaira Artful: ty
[2011/08/23 15:53]  TR Amat: Google and Facebook think I’m several people. Who, don’t always agree with, or even know, each other. 🙂
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: YOu know, some online companies do have my primary’s personal details. I do not mind, provided it remains confidential. I just object to having to put it up on display for anyone to know:(
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Scarp Godenot: I have Dumped Google plus for this very reason
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yeah Facebook actually tells me to friend myself from time to time
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hhoray for the pirate bay… sued, prosecuted, supposedly dismantled, but still serving the piracy community! hahahah
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Because we have som much in common
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, Scarp, I think I will have to do the same.
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Jizz (lucca.seid): I can’t change my name anymore in g+ got to wait like 20 days 😦
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s simply too risky
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: Everyone, join Diaspora! The social network that lets you be anyone you want.
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Scarp Godenot: Google Plus is Googles first attempt to enforce the ‘real name’ policy.
[2011/08/23 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I wish I could; I tried to sign for Diaspora
[2011/08/23 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I wasn’t accepted
[2011/08/23 15:55]  TR Amat: Some bits of me don’t get on well with oters. I think they’d avoid each other at parties. 🙂
[2011/08/23 15:55]  TR Amat: others*
[2011/08/23 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh I got in, Maybe if I send you an invite?
[2011/08/23 15:55]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: not accepted Gwyn? really
[2011/08/23 15:55]  Scarp Godenot: It’s only a matter of time before you get dumped out of Google plus, Extie
[2011/08/23 15:55]  Scarp Godenot: They are serious
[2011/08/23 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Meaning that Facebook isn’t? 🙂
[2011/08/23 15:56]  TR Amat: I’m waiting to see how long my Google+ account last. It is a 15+yr old id, too…
[2011/08/23 15:56]  Scarp Godenot: Opensourse Obscure was the first one to bring up this dumping issue on google plus, but I know many others now that have been dumped
[2011/08/23 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (and please do, Extie!)
[2011/08/23 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh Khannea said G+ love transhumanists so I will be allowed to stay. So Khannea says.
[2011/08/23 15:56]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes, I know of a few, and the best you can do is request a review
[2011/08/23 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Unless Khannea is a Google representative, I wouldn’t take her word for it.
[2011/08/23 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: I mean Goole not just G+
[2011/08/23 15:57]  Scarp Godenot: i’m voting with my non adoption of Google products
[2011/08/23 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I know personally a few Googlers and they’re definitely NOT transhumanists 🙂
[2011/08/23 15:57]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol
[2011/08/23 15:58]  Scarp Godenot: There is apparently an internal war about this policy at Google, but evil is winning at the moment.
[2011/08/23 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: I am actually suprised when I find I am still not banned from G+. It seems a bit um..well, like hypocritical? Why are some banned while others like me remain?
[2011/08/23 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Incredible, for what Google was supposed to stand for.
[2011/08/23 15:58]  Scarp Godenot: I say evil because Google’s motto is ‘Don’t Be Evil’
[2011/08/23 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Scarp
[2011/08/23 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That was soooo early 2000s
[2011/08/23 15:59]  Jizz (lucca.seid): dont be a square either <<
[2011/08/23 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now it’s the 2010s. Be Evil, Rule The World, because, Yes, We Can!
[2011/08/23 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: anyway this psuedonymity thing has been done to death…
[2011/08/23 15:59]  TR Amat: Maybe the transhumanists and distributed persona need a set of private networks using IP6, behind multiple changing !P addresses?
[2011/08/23 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ironically, I think we live in cyberpunk days
[2011/08/23 15:59]  Scarp Godenot: The battle is just starting out there Extie
[2011/08/23 15:59]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): They tell me I’m not good enough for google plus; i’ve used my real life identity too; it’s all beta now
[2011/08/23 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree, Scarp, and this is the kind of battle that is easy to predict who will win
[2011/08/23 16:00]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: there are ways around that seeminly, if someone within G+ shared a photo with you that often kicks it so you can join/use it
[2011/08/23 16:00]  Jizz (lucca.seid): is there any clear answer on what kind of content can be posted to G+?
[2011/08/23 16:00]  TR Amat: Or, you need your own public networks, using peer-to-perr, not the big servers?
[2011/08/23 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good question!
[2011/08/23 16:01]  Jizz (lucca.seid): I was searching through their terms of use and its pretty confusing where to draw the line as to avoid trouble
[2011/08/23 16:01]  Scarp Godenot: http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23nymwars just for reference btw…….
[2011/08/23 16:01]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: that was the power behind the idea of diaspora, that you could self host your node
[2011/08/23 16:01]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Rhiannon of the Birds envisions a lot of offshort ISP’s in the future
[2011/08/23 16:01]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): *offshore
[2011/08/23 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jizz: use “Disney rules” 🙂 If it’s good for Disney, it’s probably allowed on Google too
[2011/08/23 16:02]  Laborious Aftermath: more like a lot more dark nets that are runing and not threw ISP’s
[2011/08/23 16:02]  TR Amat: Recycle old oil wells as offshore ‘private nations’? 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:02]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Offshore ISPs would have to be satellite, right?…that won’t work :p
[2011/08/23 16:02]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Lab, perhaps so
[2011/08/23 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: Way things are going, Google may overtake Microsoft as the Company that is spawn of the Devil’s dog.
[2011/08/23 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not really, Violet…. a lot of islands are on fibre too
[2011/08/23 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: well said!
[2011/08/23 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Microsoft is being very very very quiet
[2011/08/23 16:02]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Violet, they could cut off the satellite relay, but if they send it through a number of venues, it can work
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Zobeid Zuma: They have a long way to go to catch up with Microsoft. 😛
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Not to mention that there are a number of satellites you could pggy back off of
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Scarp Godenot: I quit using facebook because of all the data mining there too.
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: If the Pirate Bay survived…
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Laborious Aftermath: you can still set up a comunity network that is like a subnet only completly walled off fromthe normal net if needed
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Zaira Artful: Does it work for people who have their own servers ?
[2011/08/23 16:03]  TR Amat: Locking down a country’s comms infrastructure – don’t satellite phones still work?
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zaira, only at the relay junctures
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Zaira Artful: ty
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, the lockdown would only affect the normal citizens, who they don’t have to worry about anyway
[2011/08/23 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I knew I shouldn’t have left the ISP I created in the 90s… hehe
[2011/08/23 16:04]  Laborious Aftermath: loop hubs and network structure
[2011/08/23 16:04]  Scarp Godenot: Fortunately you can’t shut down a country’s internet completely without shutting down their economy as well.
[2011/08/23 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It’s like gun control; it only affects the law abiding citizen, who the State doesn’t have to worry about anyway
[2011/08/23 16:04]  TR Amat: Any PC that is turned-on can be part of a server via Peer-to-Peer?
[2011/08/23 16:04]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): No, I mean satellite is not really adequate for the internet anymore; adding more users would just sink it….wireless doesn’t really have enough range to work, either; ISPs are pretty much restricted to smallish geographic areas
[2011/08/23 16:04]  Laborious Aftermath: yep Tr 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, yes, exactly, that’s why the suppression of cryptography in the 90’s failed
[2011/08/23 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In theory, TR… using Tor should work
[2011/08/23 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Violet, oh, I see; well, for private networks it might work
[2011/08/23 16:05]  Zobeid Zuma: But cryptography didn’t take off and become mainstream either.
[2011/08/23 16:05]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It might end up restricted to that
[2011/08/23 16:05]  TR Amat: We could all use one-time random number sheets. And, software Enigma Machines. 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:05]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Well, you need both Gwyn. Censors and probably a cooperation with Google and similiar corpoarations and providers. And it is not that easy with corporations that are headquatered in another country with their own business interests. Even China has a little trouble with those. And besides that Google, Bing Facebook or whoever, would in the end then have the same problem. They would have not only gater info, which they do anyway, but also monitor it and decide which should be well “banned” or when the police should be called or whatever. And you never can do this without also shutting down or out a lot of innocent people. So the way the UK is planning this, that it would like to monitor social networks and decide on an individual level who will be shut out and who not will never work too well. The best thing they can hope for is that they can encrypt Blackberry messages and make them traceble that way, like the normal mobile communication.
[2011/08/23 16:05]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Oh dear!! Sorry lol
[2011/08/23 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: http://www.torproject.org/
[2011/08/23 16:05]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Zobeid, it did in industry, but being mainstream makes it even more difficult to regulate
[2011/08/23 16:05]  Zobeid Zuma: Yes you can get the software, but whoever’s on the other end almost certainly doesn’t, so it’s useless.
[2011/08/23 16:05]  Zaira Artful: i wonder how Anonymous does it …
[2011/08/23 16:05]  Kimiko Yiyuan: And with that I now say good bye. I have to tp. have fun everyone and see you next time.
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Zaira Artful: 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Take care, Kimiko
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Kim, well, it sounds like what the UK is thinking is locall shutdowns during emergencies.
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Scarp Godenot: One of the few good reasons to use Phoenix/Firestorm browser is that they encrypt IM messages btw….. (just a sidenote)
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You mean, *de*crypt BB messages, since they’re already encrypted 🙂 (that’s why BB was popular with rioters)
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bye Kimiko!
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Oh, yes, decrypt of course.
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): bye, Kim
[2011/08/23 16:06]  TR Amat: Sofware living on USB keys? You can get a lot on a CD, use the (music?) CD as a code pad?
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: Bye!
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Jizz (lucca.seid): bye 😀
[2011/08/23 16:06]  Laborious Aftermath: if the UK does that then they will only compound the problem and lose track of good intell
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Honestly…. I think that was just media buzz
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That helped to settle down the ones that would prefer more security and less privacy,
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Lab, yes, again, it would be better to keep the networks open and infiltrate
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: the media wrote about it
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Yes, Rhi, that it will be in the end when they follow that path.
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Scarp Godenot: The UK refuses to admit that the riots were caused by unemployment and hopelessness.
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Laborious Aftermath: also by doing that they will drive away a % of the people that use the said service
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: and now they can safely ignore the whole issue
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): It’s sabre rattling and point scoring, yes
[2011/08/23 16:07]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): But Scarp has it.
[2011/08/23 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well at least at the start, yes
[2011/08/23 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then there was a lot of opportuniostic criminality
[2011/08/23 16:08]  TR Amat: I understand that the Blackberry manufacturers and telecoms providers said that they’d fully cooperate wit the authrities…
[2011/08/23 16:08]  Kimiko Yiyuan: And that, to close a circle here, would really bring them closer to China or Arab countiries, because thats what those regulary do.
[2011/08/23 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In some cases, TR, that’s the only way they can get licensed to operate.
[2011/08/23 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It could be just a trial balloon and a way to get people to say…well, infiltration and spying is much better than shutting down the networks…
[2011/08/23 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well said, Kimiko! Good point.
[2011/08/23 16:09]  TR Amat: Upset enough people and they tend to do things like riot…
[2011/08/23 16:09]  Scarp Godenot: YOu did see in the news that the Chinese Government complimented Cameron on his statements of repression…… heh
[2011/08/23 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, oh that will go over big in the UK
[2011/08/23 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Can we riot against the lack of privacy on the Internet, and riot against those who wish to restrict it even further? No.
[2011/08/23 16:09]  Zobeid Zuma: That had to be embarrassing.
[2011/08/23 16:09]  Jizz (lucca.seid): Rhia: local shutdowns of internet access you mean?
[2011/08/23 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Chines do have a sense of humour 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:10]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Bye all.
[2011/08/23 16:10]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Jizz, yes.
[2011/08/23 16:10]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): bye Kim
[2011/08/23 16:10]  Jizz (lucca.seid): bye 😮
[2011/08/23 16:10]  Zaira Artful: 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The irony.
[2011/08/23 16:11]  TR Amat: A lot of people in the UK consider Cameron to be a PR man who is Prime Minister because the Conservatives were desperately scrapeing for someone reasonably photogenic…
[2011/08/23 16:11]  Scarp Godenot: Gwyn, I guess we CAN choose our social networking sites and reward those who don’t do massive Data Mining as their business plan……
[2011/08/23 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh sure, Scarp…. I can remain happily in SL 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:11]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: good point scarp but are most users savvy enough to even be aware enough to make good choices
[2011/08/23 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: yeah, keep me company Gwyn!
[2011/08/23 16:11]  TR Amat: It was really amusing to see how he tried to manipulate the view the Press had of him in the run up to the election…
[2011/08/23 16:12]  Scarp Godenot: Second Life is way ahead of the curve on alternative identity….. I compliment them for that
[2011/08/23 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, it’s not as if 90% of everybody I know isn’t in SL anyway… lol
[2011/08/23 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp, agreed!
[2011/08/23 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: that reminds me, we should do a public appreciation event to Rod & LL because of that
[2011/08/23 16:12]  Scarp Godenot: Yay Rod! who hoooooo!
[2011/08/23 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The media would go wild
[2011/08/23 16:12]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: that was also reiterated at last weekend’s SLCC, the idea that anonymity is not an issue for LL
[2011/08/23 16:12]  TR Amat: How do these privacy respecting social networking sites make the money to keep running?
[2011/08/23 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “SL becomes even more the social environment of weirdos”
[2011/08/23 16:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: heh Gwyn
[2011/08/23 16:13]  Scarp Godenot: advertising instead of data mining as a revenue stream, TR
[2011/08/23 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: ads, profiling
[2011/08/23 16:13]  Laborious Aftermath: sounds good gwyn
[2011/08/23 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh wait
[2011/08/23 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Which ones do you mean, TR?
[2011/08/23 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Give me an example!
[2011/08/23 16:13]  Zaira Artful: can’t they find out your isp etc even if you are in sl ?
[2011/08/23 16:13]  TR Amat: I’m not a fan of ads and profiling. 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, show me an example of one that doesn’t it AND respects privacy, LL excluded.
[2011/08/23 16:14]  TR Amat: Any theoretical SN site that was more respective of multiple ids?
[2011/08/23 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zaira: sure they can — comms to the grid are unencrypted
[2011/08/23 16:14]  Zaira Artful: ty
[2011/08/23 16:14]  Jizz (lucca.seid): dweets + google+ location option may prove disastrous
[2011/08/23 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: the answer is: there are NONE. Either they’re still burning venture capital or they’re doing ads and profiling.
[2011/08/23 16:15]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well though not exactly same as these other social networks we are talking, craigslist is still fairly anonymous
[2011/08/23 16:15]  TR Amat: You ISP has you by the wiring. 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: LL is the sole exception because they have a completely different business model
[2011/08/23 16:15]  TR Amat: Your*
[2011/08/23 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hm. Craigslist. Good point.
[2011/08/23 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn checks on Craigslist business model
[2011/08/23 16:15]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): Craigslist is like the only one I wish wasn’t super anonymous! :p
[2011/08/23 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: My answer to all those questions is always “follow the money”
[2011/08/23 16:16]  TR Amat: Maybe we should all use multiple ISPs?
[2011/08/23 16:16]  Scarp Godenot: Wise words Gwyn
[2011/08/23 16:16]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: they have chosen to stick to their guns it seems regarding it, though there model is built more off of monetizing certain ads/content
[2011/08/23 16:16]  Laborious Aftermath: and what will you do for a phone then http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears
[2011/08/23 16:16]  Scarp Godenot: BTW, I have at least 4 different internet identities not counting sl alts
[2011/08/23 16:16]  Laborious Aftermath: they will track you in many ways and from many data points
[2011/08/23 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, Craigslist does ads, so they do profiling too. Simple.
[2011/08/23 16:17]  TR Amat: Some of the Android phones look a lot more attractive than the iPhone…
[2011/08/23 16:17]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: that is why I am a fan of having an unlocked phone, running on an open system.. as sexy as an iphone might be… doesn’t suit me
[2011/08/23 16:17]  Laborious Aftermath: yes androids seem great
[2011/08/23 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: you beat me by two 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:17]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: though still have to deal ultimately with the carriers for the service
[2011/08/23 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, I have three total
[2011/08/23 16:17]  Scarp Godenot: My very first google identity is Bobalinkio
[2011/08/23 16:17]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I like my android
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Scarp Godenot: ha ha
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): In fact, I’ve been on it a few times at these discussions
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Androids seem great… until Google starts toi restrict what you can do with it 😉
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: Rhiannon Chatnoir has a Nokia N8
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Anthony!
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Zaira Artful: hi Anthony my techie friend 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Jizz (lucca.seid): how about apple? <,<
[2011/08/23 16:18]  TR Amat: I’ve had four Internet ids for 15+yrs. I think…
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In fact, I wouldn’t believe if Google claimed that they do NOT do profiling from Android phoens 😉
[2011/08/23 16:18]  TR Amat: I might be forgetting some…
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: Symbian is clunky as an operating system on a phone, I give you that, but at least open
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Brunnar Sopwith (anthonye.staryk): Hello
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Apple just wants money, they care little about privacy
[2011/08/23 16:18]  Extropia DaSilva: When I get an Android I shall name it Marvin and its ring tone will be this voice moaning on about life.
[2011/08/23 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ROFL Extie1
[2011/08/23 16:19]  Laborious Aftermath: Hahaha
[2011/08/23 16:19]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: heh
[2011/08/23 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): lol, Extie
[2011/08/23 16:19]  TR Amat: Sybian is on the way out unless someone other than Nokia use it. Nokia is going over to Windows exclusively, I understand…
[2011/08/23 16:19]  TR Amat: Symbian*
[2011/08/23 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Apple, IMHO, is “old school”. They don’t care what people name themselves, so long as their credit card is good.
[2011/08/23 16:19]  Scarp Godenot: This latest google action makes me question Android as a platform. I see more data mining there as the future.
[2011/08/23 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: Sybian. I assume you do not mean that sex toy?
[2011/08/23 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ TR, I have read that too
[2011/08/23 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Nooooo Extie lol
[2011/08/23 16:20]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod, TR.. though they released a new version of the Symbian recently
[2011/08/23 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Definitely NOT
[2011/08/23 16:20]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh SYMBIAN. Not Sybian.
[2011/08/23 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: just what I said. These days, I wouldn’t trust an Android phone either
[2011/08/23 16:20]  TR Amat: I don’t take much interest in sex toys. Though teledildonics is an interesting idea…
[2011/08/23 16:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: yeah, all of this does bring to mind, how to effectively make good choices for even something like cell communication based on these various phone makers
[2011/08/23 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: With Apple, at least I *know* that the iPhone is being tracked down. Continuously. No privacy whatsoever 🙂 heh.
[2011/08/23 16:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol
[2011/08/23 16:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: though I shouldn’t talk.. my phone is fully open, BUT I do have an ipad.. so still part of the apple-sphere
[2011/08/23 16:21]  TR Amat: How much do you think about your phone being used to track you whenever it is on to send/receive calls?
[2011/08/23 16:21]  Scarp Godenot: heh, true Gwyn, Jobs is not an internet freedom guy by a long shot… haha
[2011/08/23 16:22]  TR Amat: My cel phone is generally off, or, in ‘Offline’ mode…
[2011/08/23 16:22]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: no he is more of an aesthete concerned with controlling the experience and thus platform/OS fully
[2011/08/23 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: he never even remotely pretended to be one
[2011/08/23 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: so is mine lol
[2011/08/23 16:23]  Scarp Godenot: IN fact Apple is the number one opponent of opensource anything.
[2011/08/23 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In fact, I hope that one day I won’t have the phone on at all. I just use it for the remaining applications
[2011/08/23 16:23]  TR Amat: Except in unusual circumstances, my phone is for calling others, not being called on. 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: even worse, they swallow up open source projects and rebrand them as Apple ones 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeah, my phone too; or for getting in SL, checking my email.
[2011/08/23 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn <—- is an Apple fangril. Yes, I’m allowed to be inconsistent!
[2011/08/23 16:24]  Extropia DaSilva: Someone explain what any of this has to do with my topic?
[2011/08/23 16:24]  Scarp Godenot: Internet censorship!
[2011/08/23 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The UK wanted to shut down Blackberrys too, right?
[2011/08/23 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, well let’s see…
[2011/08/23 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So we’re talking on how current phone brands already have restricted privacy
[2011/08/23 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yeah, phones being shutdown by eviel governmets. There you go, Extie
[2011/08/23 16:24]  TR Amat: Apple kit is good. As long as you are prepared to do things the “apple way”. And, not try and do things Apple didn’t anticipate you doing. 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh. Fair enough…
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gwyneth Llewelyn grins
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): In fact, it’s more likely that they will control phones than computers
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think you’re right
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: Phones are computers these days.
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Violet (ataraxia.azemus): I have to be going….goodnight, guys 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mostly because with phones you can track down locations *precisely*
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Although if you get quantum encryption and satellite transmission, and multiple relays, then phones will be an awesome way to promote the underground
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): bye, Violet!
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Zaira Artful: 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:25]  TR Amat: It is very likely that phones and phone-enabled pads will be how (almost) all social networking is done in future…
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes… phones are computers with GPS 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes the capabilities of some smart phones is on par with a small notebook
[2011/08/23 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: Bye!
[2011/08/23 16:26]  Scarp Godenot: Mobile devices will be the dominant computer of the future, might already be there…..
[2011/08/23 16:26]  TR Amat: Take you phone to a riot, today. 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: or the present!
[2011/08/23 16:26]  TR Amat: your*
[2011/08/23 16:26]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yes, my Android is like my PDA 7 my phone, and my computer, and my TV
[2011/08/23 16:26]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod
[2011/08/23 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: I think we are, Scarp.
[2011/08/23 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed, Scarp… if we count a laptop as a “mobile device”…. then I guess we’re already there
[2011/08/23 16:26]  Jizz (lucca.seid): Jizz looks at her cellphone with shady eyes
[2011/08/23 16:27]  TR Amat: I’ve used my phone as an alarm clock, reasonably often… Mot often as a web browser, though. 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I can’t see you guys when I’m here on my phone, but it’s like I’m blind and paralyzed
[2011/08/23 16:27]  Scarp Godenot: Did you see that the HP company introduced an iPad device for 99 dollars this week? Amazing Previously priced at 400
[2011/08/23 16:27]  Zaira Artful: i’ve heard they can see you on laptop cam and can hear you on phones if “they ” wish .. all you do on computer is accept a cookie and some accept them automatically
[2011/08/23 16:27]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: and I see my phone as also a portable media production device
[2011/08/23 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zaira: I’ve heard that story a LOT of times, even with some alleged clips of captured video images and so forth
[2011/08/23 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But it might just be an urban legend
[2011/08/23 16:27]  TR Amat: Need phones cruchy enough for SL. 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:28]  Laborious Aftermath: hahaah Tr P 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:28]  TR Amat: crunchy*
[2011/08/23 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Need SL fast enough to run on phones and pads 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:28]  Zaira Artful: yes i set mine so cookies aren’t accepted and went to pogo .. the details were they would have acess to my cam and mic
[2011/08/23 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: I do not care if “they” see or hear my primary. I just do not wish you to to have any contact or info with/about ver.
[2011/08/23 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now that’s the next point, Extie
[2011/08/23 16:28]  Scarp Godenot: need graphics cards to advance at the same rate they are for a couple of more years and we will have full SL on a pad.
[2011/08/23 16:29]  TR Amat: bondage wear for phones? 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed, Scarp
[2011/08/23 16:29]  TR Amat: Need OpenGL for phones?
[2011/08/23 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Well you would get a lot of lag running SL on 3G. My Kindle is 3G and just downloading an image takes it over a minute.
[2011/08/23 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, I’m looking forward to *that* A lot of people get upset with me when I’m on my phone.
[2011/08/23 16:30]  Scarp Godenot: I believe that iPad type devices are so popular because people are tired of the tiny screens on smartphones.
[2011/08/23 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: TR: done in 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KrkU70J4rE
[2011/08/23 16:30]  TR Amat: Midnight +30mins. Time for me to go.
[2011/08/23 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: I wat massive touchscreen plasma TV that Geoff Han demonstrated at TED a few years back. You know the one I mean?
[2011/08/23 16:31]  Zobeid Zuma: plasma TVs are grainy
[2011/08/23 16:31]  TR Amat: Have fun.
[2011/08/23 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bye, TR!
[2011/08/23 16:31]  Scarp Godenot: My timezone is -7
[2011/08/23 16:31]  Scarp Godenot: so it is about 5:30 pm
[2011/08/23 16:31]  Extropia DaSilva: Well it was not plasma. BUt that kind of flatscreen TV. Multi-touch, too. Honestly, it looked amazing.
[2011/08/23 16:31]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I want to be able to project a holographic set of images and just go into it, no matter where I am
[2011/08/23 16:32]  Brunnar Sopwith (anthonye.staryk): RL calls, good topic
[2011/08/23 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Plugging into the optic nerve is the way to go. Add a subdermal GPS chip , and government will know where you are and what you’re doing, 24/7…. and so will the manufacturer of those devices 😉
[2011/08/23 16:32]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): TC, Brunnar!
[2011/08/23 16:32]  Scarp Godenot: plasma tvs are still the ones used by professionals btw, and that is because they are far more color accurate.
[2011/08/23 16:32]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeah, they give off wierd energies though
[2011/08/23 16:33]  Extropia DaSilva: I want to genetically engineer me primary’s brain cells to be light sensitive, then run fibre optics cables through the capilliary system to enable full-immersion VR and lightning fast uploading capability!
[2011/08/23 16:33]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: …. don’t buy it from Google-Motorola
[2011/08/23 16:33]  Extropia DaSilva: …And an iPad.
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Extropia DaSilva: OK are we done?
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: wb Kimiko lol
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: pooooooem
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Scarp Godenot: Extie will be living in The Matrix!
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: no wait
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: the poem was censored today!
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Of course. I am The Oracle, after all. Cookie, anyone?
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Kimiko Yiyuan: Hello again.
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): wb, Kim
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[2011/08/23 16:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): You tell us, Extie
[2011/08/23 16:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: do you subscribe to the Internet Oracle, Extie? 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:35]  Zaira Artful: ty all interesting .. be well 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:35]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): be well, Zaira!
[2011/08/23 16:35]  Zaira Artful: 🙂
[2011/08/23 16:35]  Scarp Godenot: My poem: The thing about the Brits you see/ is unlike those like you and me/ ……………. connection closed by order or rule2087y34……………………….
[2011/08/23 16:35]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, I guess it’s time to head out too.
[2011/08/23 16:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl scarp
[2011/08/23 16:35]  Arisia Vita: for me as well….
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): rofl, Scarp
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Arisia Vita: great to see you all
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Extropia DaSilva: The poem was censored today/ “They” finally had their way/ It started with riots/ then in the night, quiet/ they took all our voices away.
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): We’lll see you all next time.
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’ll wait for Extie’s poem first!
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Great seeing you, Ari
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): oh, I guess I will too
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah there we go
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I have to run off too.. back to some SL work, but lovely to meet you all .. feel free to IM me if you hold other related events or want to chat
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: so dark, Extie
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Bye Ari!
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: but appropriate
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Kimiko Yiyuan: I just came back quickly because something else came to my mind that I think is connected to the topic. (although it might have been mentioned during my absence anyway.
[2011/08/23 16:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh please share, Kimiko!
[2011/08/23 16:37]  Extropia DaSilva: NEXT WEEK…GENDER ATTITUDES TO FRIENDSHIP..
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