THINKERS MARCH 22 2011: HYPERPERSONAL EFFECT.

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Extropia DaSilva: And today we are discussin….
[2011/03/22 15:32]  Scarp Godenot: That fits in with the topic today.
[2011/03/22 15:32]  Extropia DaSilva: THE HYPERPERSONAL EFFECT: Many observers have noted that time seems compressed in SL. This is particularly aparrent with romantic relationships. People seem to fall in love, get married and get divorced more quickly than they do in RL. This has been called the hyperpersonal effect. But what is the reason for it? Why is time compressed in SL?
[2011/03/22 15:33]  Zoltan Neximus: may I join the groupRhi plz?
[2011/03/22 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: This is my group and yes you may.
[2011/03/22 15:33]  Ivy Sunkiller: contary to popular belief, Rhi isn’t hosting all talks in SL, just the boring ones *grins*
[2011/03/22 15:33]  Zobeid Zuma: That’s odd, it seems like everything I do in SL takes much longer than it should.
[2011/03/22 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): /me glowers at Ivy
[2011/03/22 15:34]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): i guess we are only in sl for short bursts of time therefore time has to be compressed
[2011/03/22 15:34]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: when you say “time speeds up” you mean “events transpire quickly?”
[2011/03/22 15:34]  Alexi Flux: I ben here a year and still not married
[2011/03/22 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah.
[2011/03/22 15:34]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): hahah
[2011/03/22 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But I’ve noticed what Extie is talkiing about; a couple of months is like years here
[2011/03/22 15:34]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Maddy, and are packed. I think that’s partly it.
[2011/03/22 15:35]  Kate (kat22.alter): i married the same guy like 3 x
[2011/03/22 15:35]  Ivy Sunkiller: on alts? :p
[2011/03/22 15:35]  Kate (kat22.alter): nope we just liked the scene and taking photots etc
[2011/03/22 15:35]  Scarp Godenot: I have given this some thought previously and I think that because things change so rapidly here, people get right to the point of what they want before it isn’t there anymore.
[2011/03/22 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: If we can keep this focused more on romance, that would be cool…
[2011/03/22 15:35]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Hmmm. I don’t do “romantic” relationships in SL, so I can’t comment very much.
[2011/03/22 15:35]  Kate (kat22.alter): agrees with ex
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Do you think you could, Madeleine?
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Kate (kat22.alter): to the point exactly
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I really don’t have an interest in that.
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Kate (kat22.alter): i find women are so forward in sl its freaky
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Ivy Sunkiller: romantic relationships are so XX century
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Kate (kat22.alter): oh men too btw
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Scarp Godenot: Better forward than backward!
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: You are not interested in love?
[2011/03/22 15:36]  monaka Sak: lol
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Kate (kat22.alter): lol scarp
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Kate (kat22.alter): meet many backward oens too
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: not romantic love
[2011/03/22 15:36]  Zoltan Neximus: i was just telling a close friend of mine that i met 6 mo ago that its like weve known each other for years
[2011/03/22 15:37]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: now, friendship…that’s different.
[2011/03/22 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: DO you think people are more foward in general in SL, compared to how they might be irl?
[2011/03/22 15:37]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Friendship, though, takes lots of time here.
[2011/03/22 15:37]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): yea it does sometimes zolt
[2011/03/22 15:37]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): yes much more i think
[2011/03/22 15:37]  Scarp Godenot: I think regarding how quickly relationships develop, people can get right to the essense of themselves without having to fight all the preconceptions involved with RL experiences.
[2011/03/22 15:38]  Scarp Godenot: We suspend disbelief enough to trust others more quickly.
[2011/03/22 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, well, it depends; there’s an additional layer of intimacy to get through.
[2011/03/22 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: But in a way the preconceptions are here. YOu do see a lot of people that fit Westernised ideas of beauty.
[2011/03/22 15:38]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, sometimes it’s the other way around; there’s paranoia
[2011/03/22 15:38]  Ivy Sunkiller: if you want to develop “friendships” quick, get on facebook! 🙂
[2011/03/22 15:38]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Hmmmm, trust requires LOTS of time here.
[2011/03/22 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I know one man who is totally paranoid about relationships after two SL relationships blew up in his face
[2011/03/22 15:39]  Zoltan Neximus: perhaps we project how we would like to believe the person to be like
[2011/03/22 15:39]  Ivy Sunkiller: Rhi: that’s a reasonable approach actually
[2011/03/22 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: So one reason why I think love happens morwe quickly, is because we all have the self confidence that comes from looking like your idealised self.
[2011/03/22 15:39]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): i agree wit you there zoltan
[2011/03/22 15:39]  Scarp Godenot: Well I can’t count the number of people around me who have developed intense relationships very quickly. And then just as quickly dissolved them.
[2011/03/22 15:39]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): and then get dissappointed when they are not who we perceived them to be
[2011/03/22 15:39]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ivy, paranoia? Well, if not taken to an extreme. That man is convinced I’m an ex of his; his best girlfriend is too, but a different ex
[2011/03/22 15:40]  monaka Sak: yes a lot of ” serial dumpers” on SL lol
[2011/03/22 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Drezz
[2011/03/22 15:40]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I suggest that if a relationship forms and dissolves quickly it can’t really be that deep.
[2011/03/22 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Ste!
[2011/03/22 15:40]  Drezz Jarman: hi everyone
[2011/03/22 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: MAkes sense, Maddy.
[2011/03/22 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: Hello!
[2011/03/22 15:40]  Scarp Godenot: I have also witnessed SL marriages between people, both of whom are RL married. That one is a mystery to me.
[2011/03/22 15:40]  Ste Sullivan: Hi
[2011/03/22 15:40]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeah, here, as in FL, it takes time to made things deep
[2011/03/22 15:41]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: And SL amplifies distortion of self as well as enhances so-called “hidden” or “real” self image.
[2011/03/22 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: why is it a mystery to you, Scarp?
[2011/03/22 15:41]  Ivy Sunkiller: Scarp: that is a mystery for me as well 🙂
[2011/03/22 15:41]  Scarp Godenot: I guess, because Marriage implies exclusivity.
[2011/03/22 15:41]  Ivy Sunkiller: Extie: not everybody does separation of primary and virtual person
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Right, Ivy
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah, I noticed that, Ivy:)
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: But I suspect that most of us do=)
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): For a lot of people, your avatar is you.
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Ivy Sunkiller: my avatar is me
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Scarp Godenot: That is a good point though, as some view their virtual presence as completely separate from their RL lives. And act accordingly.
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And any deviation from the RL you is considered a betrayal
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Kate (kat22.alter): haha
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Ivy Sunkiller: it’s a different form of me, but it’s me
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Zoltan Neximus: or how you would like to be
[2011/03/22 15:42]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Halo!
[2011/03/22 15:43]  Ivy Sunkiller: precisely Zoltan 🙂
[2011/03/22 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: Actually when you fall in love maintaining the separation is very hard to do. Because real love is physical changes to the brain, Chemistry. So it gets real hard for the primary to remember who is in love with who.
[2011/03/22 15:43]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Is it how you would like to be or how you are really?
[2011/03/22 15:43]  Zoltan Neximus: an idealized version of youself
[2011/03/22 15:43]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I’m not so sure about idealized.
[2011/03/22 15:43]  Scarp Godenot: I think that roleplaying doesn’t necessarily imply becoming your ‘best self’. It can be becoming a different self.
[2011/03/22 15:43]  Ivy Sunkiller: not really idealized, no
[2011/03/22 15:44]  Kate (kat22.alter): roleplaying in sl, is just that, like a child pretending
[2011/03/22 15:44]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, right, not necessrily better; just an aspect of yourself that often goes unfilled in FL
[2011/03/22 15:44]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: If I knew how to become my idealized self I’d probably do it in RL as well as SL.
[2011/03/22 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: There is this notion of a ‘love delusion’. Like, when someone in love thinks ‘my man is a million times better than any other!’ Nobody is THAT good. So what we love is quite often an idealised fantasy figure, even in RL.
[2011/03/22 15:44]  Zoltan Neximus: the role becomes the actor
[2011/03/22 15:44]  Scarp Godenot: Is becoming a Dragon, becoming your best self for example?
[2011/03/22 15:45]  Kate (kat22.alter): we are the puppeteers
[2011/03/22 15:45]  Zoltan Neximus: you may be mor like your avithan you are to your rlpersona
[2011/03/22 15:45]  Scarp Godenot: Sometimes you just want to see what it is like to be a ….fill in the blank…. role.
[2011/03/22 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: No we are the puppets, It is the people out there in RL who are the pupeteers. Or…so they like to think!
[2011/03/22 15:45]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: But the topic is about the frequency of events here vs RL, right?
[2011/03/22 15:45]  Scarp Godenot: Including being a cad.
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: yeah
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Zoltan Neximus: i think its relative
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But back to the original question–all of this is true, but why does it make time distorted?
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I think, yes, things can go faster here in many cases.
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Why is two months like 4 years, for instance?
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Many cases they take longer.
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Zoltan Neximus: if u suc out there you will sju c in here
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Scarp Godenot: The rate of change is my answere Rhiannon.
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Scarp Godenot: The world changes that fast.
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: Does the fact that SL is not quite reality have anything to do with it?
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Ivy Sunkiller: it’s faster to make your tits bigger in SL!
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): lol zol
[2011/03/22 15:46]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scrp, I think that’s one factor, for sure
[2011/03/22 15:47]  monaka Sak: cuz one of the reasons is we meet hundred of new ppl everyday on SL.. which is impossible in RL
[2011/03/22 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): monaka, yes.
[2011/03/22 15:47]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: SL implies role-playing; role-playing implies narrative/stories; stories have beginning, middle and end and stories are generally compressed in time.
[2011/03/22 15:47]  Ste Sullivan: One reason time seems quicker is because you don’t have to spend time travelling in SL. If we invented teleportation in RL then RL time would seem compressed too.
[2011/03/22 15:47]  Scarp Godenot: I notice that particularly in groups of friends. The dynamic is continuously changing. Much more so than a RL group of friends.
[2011/03/22 15:47]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But some people never change and I’ve noticed in SL, the french saying, “The more things change, the more they remain the same,” is true
[2011/03/22 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: Well not really. You could walk up to as many strangers in a city as you can say hello to random people in SL on any given day.
[2011/03/22 15:48]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: If you’re role-playing, you are participating in stories.
[2011/03/22 15:48]  Ivy Sunkiller: I have changed my home 3 times now, and moved about 4 or 5, in my year in SL, all while being in the same place IRL
[2011/03/22 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Maddy, that’s awesome! I like that; yes, there is a deeply narrative dimension here
[2011/03/22 15:48]  Scarp Godenot: But they think you are less crazy in SL than RL, extie. ha ha
[2011/03/22 15:48]  Ste Sullivan: We probably still associate RL time with SL time in the back of our mind.
[2011/03/22 15:48]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Rhi, not for everyone; but for many, yes, I think.
[2011/03/22 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: Maybe one reason why marriage happens sooner in SL is because it is so much cheaper? Both to have a ceremony AND get divorced.
[2011/03/22 15:48]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): When thiings drag out here, by contrast to what we’re talking about, it could be because the narrative hasn’t ended.
[2011/03/22 15:49]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: We want action here.
[2011/03/22 15:49]  Ste Sullivan: YOu know that moving house takes a long time in RL, so you still associate moving house 3 times in SL with being longer than it was.
[2011/03/22 15:49]  monaka Sak: not reall unless u are full of confidence.. not many ppl go right up to a total stranger and say ” hi wanna dance?”
[2011/03/22 15:49]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: We want the plot to proceed.
[2011/03/22 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: I famously lost the plot a long time ago.
[2011/03/22 15:49]  Ivy Sunkiller: I don’t understand the point Ste?
[2011/03/22 15:50]  Scarp Godenot: Another reason we percieve time to go faster is that we can change our environment. We can live in a new house as often as we would like for instance. After several changes like this, we percieve a large amount of time as having passed.
[2011/03/22 15:50]  Ste Sullivan: The perspective of time in RL and SL can get confused.
[2011/03/22 15:50]  Zoltan Neximus: or how long it takes to get ready and drive to a dance club
[2011/03/22 15:50]  Ivy Sunkiller: but isn’t that the whole point? 🙂
[2011/03/22 15:50]  Zoltan Neximus: factor that in
[2011/03/22 15:50]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ivy, I think Ste is saying that we use the FL frame of reference, so when things take less time or effort here, we relate to them as if we were still in FL
[2011/03/22 15:50]  Ste Sullivan: Yes, and we probably do it subconsciously.
[2011/03/22 15:51]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ste, almost certainly subconsciously; once we think about it, we realize the difference
[2011/03/22 15:51]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I think also SL is entertainment; we’ve been conditioned by tv and movies to expect compressed spills and chills in our entertainment.
[2011/03/22 15:51]  Scarp Godenot: I also believe it is possible to have many more ‘peak’ experiences in SL and that might make memory seem longer as well.
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Ivy Sunkiller: Scarp: only if you have really boring RL, but yes 🙂
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Basically, in our entertainment, no issue takes more than two hours to get resolved.
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Ivy Sunkiller: corporate work 9 to 5, yay
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, that was kind of my point when I said to Maddy there is more packed experiences here
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I mean the question should be, why is RL so damned slow!!!
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Scarp Godenot: Most people do lead boring lives, Ivy…. heh
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Maddy, well, there are series, where somtimes it takes as much as 17 weeks to save the world
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: See Scarp I wold have said SL is not responsive enough for peak experiences.
[2011/03/22 15:52]  monaka Sak: right scarp
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Ste Sullivan: Since SL resembles RL in quite a realistic way, it makes us associate events in here with RL more than with other things.
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Ivy Sunkiller: their own damn fault
[2011/03/22 15:52]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: True, there is the long form: the miniseries.
[2011/03/22 15:53]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: or maxiseries.
[2011/03/22 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But your point is still valid, Maddy
[2011/03/22 15:53]  Scarp Godenot: By peak experience, I mean a time when your emotions run strong in whatever direction.
[2011/03/22 15:53]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Or the pointless series (“Lost”)
[2011/03/22 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But some people take SL seriously, as truly a second life; don’t think they gview it as entertainment
[2011/03/22 15:53]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And time is still compressed for them.
[2011/03/22 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: Some people take soap operas very seriously.
[2011/03/22 15:54]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Well, there are certainly ongoing soap operas in SL.
[2011/03/22 15:54]  Ste Sullivan: In SL, we can get what we want right away. That’s the bottom line.
[2011/03/22 15:54]  monaka Sak: but those who take SL romance seriously….are they on Facebook too? or what’s the point of seeking a serious partner on SL?
[2011/03/22 15:54]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Philosophy Island?
[2011/03/22 15:54]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Maddy, lmao
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yes, it is certainly more a soap opera than a philosophy venue
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Scarp Godenot: It is very interesting, when I think of January 2008 in SL, That seems like forever ago, so many things have happened to me here since then. But when I think of that in RL, not a whole lot has changed there.
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi Gilles!
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Ivy Sunkiller: Rhi: we still deal with real people in SL, don’t let the name confuse you 🙂
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ivy,that’s why I like FL, instad of RL.
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: I think the same reason you take a partner in RL. YOu meet someone, get to know them, and both of you really really enjoy being together.
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Gilles Kuhn: hello all
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Ivy Sunkiller: hello Gilles
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: hello Giles.
[2011/03/22 15:55]  Ste Sullivan: Hi Gilles
[2011/03/22 15:56]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Besides, you think my discussions are boring; I don’t think Ii should talk to you. ::wink::
[2011/03/22 15:56]  monaka Sak: lol
[2011/03/22 15:56]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): or in some cases try to destroy each other, 😦
[2011/03/22 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: I kind of feel sorry for people who say ‘I do not do romance in SL’ becase from my experience, nothing makes SL more real than having a romantic relationship with someone. That REALLY pulls you in.
[2011/03/22 15:56]  Ivy Sunkiller: Rhi: only a subjective opinion, it’s more about the topic selection 🙂
[2011/03/22 15:56]  monaka Sak: well some ppl on SL seem to prefer LDR on porpose for some reason
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Friendships are nice too, Extropia.
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: yes:)
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Drezz Jarman: yeah
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Scarp Godenot: Extie, I would consider a romantic relationship in SL to be cheating on my RL partner…..
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Halo Evermore: i feel the exact opposite extropia.. i think SL ‘relatonships’ are ridiculous
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And business partnerships
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Ivy Sunkiller: but see, you can take something like an opinion seriously in SL, be it entertainment or not
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And I pick the topics people into philosophy are most hungry for, Ivy.
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh I like different opinions! Why is that, Halo?
[2011/03/22 15:57]  Ivy Sunkiller: Rhi: I know, I’m just not hungry for them *chuckles*
[2011/03/22 15:58]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Discussions, relationships, in general, are what is real here; as are feelings
[2011/03/22 15:58]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): When you hit someone over the head with a hammer here, it isn’t real; when you make a cutting remark, it is
[2011/03/22 15:58]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Romance here is real
[2011/03/22 15:58]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Even if speeded up
[2011/03/22 15:58]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I can’t imagine a romantic relationship in SL that would not require fulfillment in RL; I don’t think this is true of friendships.
[2011/03/22 15:58]  Ivy Sunkiller: emotions can be pretty real
[2011/03/22 15:58]  Ste Sullivan: I know exactly what you mean, Rhiannon.
[2011/03/22 15:59]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ivy, that’s what I just said
[2011/03/22 15:59]  Gilles Kuhn: so are arguments an argumentation or information here as the same value that in a rl conversation if you demonstrate a math theorem in sl its true in rl as well
[2011/03/22 15:59]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Good point, Maddy
[2011/03/22 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: I think it is real because the society inworld is complex enough to support it.
[2011/03/22 15:59]  monaka Sak: i agree with Madeleine.. i cannot form a serious romantic relationship without having hunan touch etc
[2011/03/22 15:59]  Ivy Sunkiller: Rhi: I’m sorry I agree with you about something 🙂
[2011/03/22 15:59]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gilles, yes, and a lot of griefers don’t understand that; go ‘What?’ if you point out they are interfering with a real dialogue or educational experience.
[2011/03/22 15:59]  Scarp Godenot: I agree it is easy to get involved in drama in SL. Sometimes by accident. But the emotions are real enough.
[2011/03/22 16:00]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ivy, you’re live, she said dryly
[2011/03/22 16:00]  Gilles Kuhn: to magd and monaka lot of people have begin a rl relation from a sl one
[2011/03/22 16:00]  Halo Evermore: emotions are real but the person ur ‘in love with’ is probably married or lying about themselves
[2011/03/22 16:00]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gilles, I think Maddy’spoint is that it can’t stay in SL and be true romance
[2011/03/22 16:00]  Scarp Godenot: Love is about trust and it is hard to trust when you barely know someone. true
[2011/03/22 16:00]  Ste Sullivan: I did have a “real” SL romance that only lasted a few months, but it seemed like a lifetime.
[2011/03/22 16:00]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Halo, that’s harsh. Projecting an image, yes. We do that in FL too, but we have more control over it here
[2011/03/22 16:01]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I would find that hard Rhi and Giles
[2011/03/22 16:01]  Zoltan Neximus: trust goes a long way
[2011/03/22 16:01]  Scarp Godenot: Yes, Ste, that is the case with many
[2011/03/22 16:01]  Ste Sullivan: Then a while after that, I had another romance in a different 3d chat program, but I realised I couldn’t do another LDR.
[2011/03/22 16:01]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Wow, Maddy, I’ve ‘blown away’ people with points, but never like you just did with Gilles. WB, Gilles
[2011/03/22 16:02]  Gilles Kuhn: /me hate to crash in the middle of a conversation
[2011/03/22 16:02]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: say what?
[2011/03/22 16:02]  Ste Sullivan: I was going to break off with it for that reason… until she invited me to visit.
[2011/03/22 16:02]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): So the rate of change is greater, we have a frame of reference point, and a lot more impact and drama in SL, but that explains a lot, but not all of the speed of romances, imo
[2011/03/22 16:02]  Gilles Kuhn: what say magdy taking advantage of my sl bug leave of absence?
[2011/03/22 16:03]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I didn’t do anything. I’m innocent.
[2011/03/22 16:03]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Oh, you don’t want to know, Gilles. ::giggles::
[2011/03/22 16:03]  monaka Sak: ya i know a lot of SL couples eventually got married in RL… but i find it hard to be honest and faithful on SL.. ppl lie after lie on the net… online relationships are not for me.
[2011/03/22 16:03]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): /me is innocent of all adorment, like Pamala
[2011/03/22 16:03]  Halo Evermore: chances of the two meeting and actually being compatible in RL are very slim
[2011/03/22 16:03]  Ste Sullivan: You need to be very trusting. It’s hard.
[2011/03/22 16:03]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): monaka, it goes gback to Maddy’s point–about trust
[2011/03/22 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And how hard that is to establish here
[2011/03/22 16:04]  Gilles Kuhn: magd you are at least guilty of heresy as you just proclaimed yourself free of the original sin report to rome st pieter place n°13
[2011/03/22 16:04]  Scarp Godenot: I also know a couple of SL relationships that became RL real. It is a matter of sharing RL info by degree, first voice, then pictures etc.
[2011/03/22 16:04]  Ivy Sunkiller: it’s not like people don’t like IRL when in relationships
[2011/03/22 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: About the lying thing. If you are upfront about not being anything like your RL self, but not allowing someone information about that RL self..is it still lying to them? What I mean is…can two people agree ‘ok this is all happening in SL and who this peron is in RL is not my concern?
[2011/03/22 16:04]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): As a wise person said to me once, about SL relationships, “They’re fine, as long as you don’t lend, invest or give your heart to them.”
[2011/03/22 16:05]  Scarp Godenot: Good question Extie
[2011/03/22 16:05]  Gilles Kuhn: lol rhi thats true of ALL relationship!
[2011/03/22 16:05]  Zoltan Neximus: ive not asked my girl for a photo
[2011/03/22 16:05]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, there are people who have relationships here, even though they are married in FL; it’s like they are single in SL and married in FL; don’t see a problem with it, nor do their SL or FL partners
[2011/03/22 16:05]  Halo Evermore: its much easier to say im a supermodel in SL then in RL someone crazy person here might actually believe me.. its soo easy to lie in thsi game and to someone
[2011/03/22 16:05]  Gilles Kuhn: if everything is knopw by all party its not a principle problem indeed
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Drezz Jarman: I dont like to call it lying as this is our secind life, we are entitled to be anything we want
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I know one woman who has two long lasting relationships here, a husband in FL, and flings from time to time on all of them
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I think if you are going after romantic relationships in SL then you really should make sure your avatar conforms to your RL identity.
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Ivy Sunkiller: yay SL is game again! 😀
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Ste Sullivan: ask them to chat on webcam with you.
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Oh, and she thinks I’m immoral for going naked all the time.
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Ste Sullivan: Simple way to find out things about them.
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: but if your after friendships, that doesn’t matter.
[2011/03/22 16:06]  monaka Sak: lol
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: you’re*
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Gilles Kuhn: madeleine how do i do that?
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: do what?
[2011/03/22 16:06]  Drezz Jarman: well I have had 2 sl realtionship with staight women i am straight in rl and a woman and a guy insl
[2011/03/22 16:07]  Drezz Jarman: and every one knew and it was ok
[2011/03/22 16:07]  Gilles Kuhn: my avi conforming to my rl identity?
[2011/03/22 16:07]  Scarp Godenot: It is my experience that the more you roleplay a different avatar than your RL charactaristics, the less you are able to connect on an intimate level. It is because roleplay is somewhat inauthentic by definition.
[2011/03/22 16:07]  Drezz Jarman: somepeople have flexible boundaries
[2011/03/22 16:07]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ste, the one man I mentioned, whose SL relationships blew up? He did that with his second relationships, and the *guy* hired a girl to play him on webcam
[2011/03/22 16:07]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Sex, age, appearance.
[2011/03/22 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: But take Scarp. Even if we agree that I am not in a relationship with his primary, that person still has to be at a computer rather than his family, whenever we are together. So it is hard to have a relationship that does not impact on RL.
[2011/03/22 16:07]  Gilles Kuhn: /me scratch his fur….
[2011/03/22 16:07]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Gender*,, age, appearance, real life info
[2011/03/22 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, well it depends. There is intimacy within the role played, and then there is going to deception bgeyond that. So there are levels.
[2011/03/22 16:08]  Gilles Kuhn: Mad nobody do that and thats great here you can have relation that are perfectly platonician you just look at the mind
[2011/03/22 16:08]  Scarp Godenot: Interesting point Extie
[2011/03/22 16:08]  Gilles Kuhn: and the possible fantasy of the mind too 😉
[2011/03/22 16:08]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yes, Gilles, in the original concept of ‘Platonic relationships,’ I think they can be deep and satisfying here.
[2011/03/22 16:08]  monaka Sak: question… so if form a romantic relationship on SL.. u spend time sitting in front of computer all the time.. then when u get married.. u start goin out a lot? ur life and habit changes that easily?
[2011/03/22 16:08]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: I’m just saying if you’re after long term romantic relationships then you need to conform your avatar to your RL identity.
[2011/03/22 16:08]  Ste Sullivan: I bet you’d figure out soon enough if it’s not the same person on the webcam.
[2011/03/22 16:08]  Ivy Sunkiller: I’m quite happy that I don’t have to judge people by their IRL appearence here
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Otherwise, who cares?
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: Or can it be like a movie? You know, you cry at movies so you have an emotional connection to its characters, but after you no longer think it was real. It was just a film. Can SL be like that? Real while you log in but afterward, just fantasy?
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Drezz Jarman: i am not roleplaying i am myself my av is just a different sex
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Scarp Godenot: A lot of intimacy is sharing of true details. I would say that it is more difficult to attain intimacy while sharing invented details.
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: That’s fine.
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Drezz, but can romance transcend gender?
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Gilles Kuhn: no mad your avie appearance is totally irrelevant in relationship
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Halo Evermore: why not have a RL romance why would someoen want an SL relationship without touch real sex.. w/o poseballs 😛
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Ste Sullivan: If they hire someone to be on their webcam, keep asking them to do it. Eventually they’ll run out of money to hire the imposter.
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: lol, Ste
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): (thinks it can be wants to raise the question)
[2011/03/22 16:09]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ste, didn’t work in this one case.
[2011/03/22 16:10]  Ivy Sunkiller: Halo: maybe someone who doesn’t have hands!?
[2011/03/22 16:10]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Hmmm, considers starting business to provide SLers with faux RL people on Webcams..
[2011/03/22 16:10]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I’m thinking that romance here has to go into FL, and physical contact
[2011/03/22 16:10]  Halo Evermore: lol
[2011/03/22 16:10]  Gilles Kuhn: are you rhi?
[2011/03/22 16:10]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Deception ‘R Us.
[2011/03/22 16:10]  Drezz Jarman: i thinjk romance can trascend gender with the right people i look at a persons essence not their sex but then i am bisexual so maybe its easier for me
[2011/03/22 16:11]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gilles, am I Rhi-what?
[2011/03/22 16:11]  Ste Sullivan: You can fool some of the people all of the time… Just don’t be in that group and you’ll be ok.
[2011/03/22 16:11]  Scarp Godenot: It is hard to pick and choose who you end up attracted to. Even though you might want to save your romance for RL. It just happens in SL sometimes I think.
[2011/03/22 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: Well Halo the brain is the place where senations are created, and sometimes sex in SL can stimulate the mind well enough for it to be worth someone’s bother. Sometimes, two people can connect in a wonderfuylly intimate way.
[2011/03/22 16:11]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Drezz, Wasserstrom once said, at a Philosophy and Sex conference, that if we were true eqalitarians, gender should not matter.
[2011/03/22 16:11]  Gilles Kuhn: thinking that sorry english of england you know….
[2011/03/22 16:12]  Ivy Sunkiller: also known as british english? 🙂
[2011/03/22 16:12]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And again that unnamed man–when he found out his true love was another man, it wasn’t the gender that was the issue; it was that the guy was married.
[2011/03/22 16:12]  Zoltan Neximus: i dont think it has to why would i then be with a person on the other side of the planet?
[2011/03/22 16:12]  Gilles Kuhn: i say
[2011/03/22 16:12]  Drezz Jarman: having said that i no longer have sl romances just some very good friends basically because i like my freedom
[2011/03/22 16:12]  Drezz Jarman: hahahaha thats funny
[2011/03/22 16:12]  Ivy Sunkiller: Drezz: oh you can have both *yanks the leash*
[2011/03/22 16:12]  Halo Evermore: yah ext i hear that a lot but the whole ‘cybering’ or emotng just does nothing for me.. mebbe im just really not normal
[2011/03/22 16:13]  Scarp Godenot: I see several of my SL friends as ‘true’ friends, indistinguishable from RL friends…. definitely.
[2011/03/22 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: Halo I am sure many people feel the same way as you do.
[2011/03/22 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): So again, there is role playing, image projection, beting other than your FL self here, and then there are *lies*
[2011/03/22 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, yes, me 2; and only here as well
[2011/03/22 16:13]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Here’s my test: I choose friends in SL such that, if I were to reveal all the details of my RL to them, it would be OK.
[2011/03/22 16:13]  Scarp Godenot: Yes, Rhiannon, that is a good distinction.
[2011/03/22 16:13]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Hi erin!
[2011/03/22 16:13]  Gilles Kuhn: they are lies in rl life and relation too
[2011/03/22 16:14]  Ste Sullivan: Lies in RL are harder to get away with.
[2011/03/22 16:14]  Scarp Godenot: Overtly lying to someone means knowingly manipulating them.
[2011/03/22 16:14]  erin Stormcrow: hi rhi, everyone
[2011/03/22 16:14]  Ste Sullivan: Hi erin
[2011/03/22 16:14]  Gilles Kuhn: not really ste and they are way more harmfull
[2011/03/22 16:14]  Drezz Jarman: yes there are people in sl who tell deliberate lies and i hate that as much as anyone I would never have a realtionship with a woman before I confessed who made me
[2011/03/22 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: And I get where you are coming from. But..personally, for me, when Jamie or Seren hug me, even though it is just an animation it feels so good because of the history we have between us. It is like us bonding together and it feels so nice. Just like being loved.
[2011/03/22 16:15]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): There was a woman who pretended to be a man, irl, sort of a “Male like me,” type deal. When she revealed to her girlfriend that she was dating that she was a woman, the girfriend wanted to stay with her; didn’t matter that the gender was not what she had thought it was; she liked/loved the person
[2011/03/22 16:15]  Ste Sullivan: Relative to lying in SL, RL lies are much more difficult.
[2011/03/22 16:15]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): If it can happen in FL, why not here?
[2011/03/22 16:15]  Ivy Sunkiller: what if the other person knows she is being lied to and accepts it for what it is?
[2011/03/22 16:15]  erin Stormcrow: manipulation” can simply mean trying to get a particular behaviour out of them, it isn’t necessarily bad in some contexts
[2011/03/22 16:15]  Ste Sullivan: In SL you can say what you want and you’d never know the truth.
[2011/03/22 16:16]  Ivy Sunkiller: oh the truth eventually surfaces
[2011/03/22 16:16]  Drezz Jarman: ye sit can happen here if you are open to it
[2011/03/22 16:16]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, the animation expresses the real emotion.
[2011/03/22 16:16]  Scarp Godenot: There is a lot of etiquette involved in roleplaying. When you are asked a direct question about your rl self, are you required to answer in order to be not considered rude? And if you don’t answer or say I won’t answer. Are you then seen as somehow suspect?
[2011/03/22 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: I think if you say ‘I am like this in RL’ when you are not, that is a lie. But if you say ‘I am not like this in RL’ then you are not lying and it is up to the person if they want to date your avatar or not.
[2011/03/22 16:16]  Ivy Sunkiller: it’s a matter of intelligence to see through lies 🙂
[2011/03/22 16:16]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Some day, some genius will write/produce the perfect Jane Austen novel based on SL.
[2011/03/22 16:16]  Drezz Jarman: haha yes
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: I would read that.
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): With our without Zombies
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): with
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: with!
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): hehe
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: It is a well known fact, universally acknowledged, that an avatar in possession of many Lindens should be in search of a spouse…
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Drezz Jarman: for me it is just exploting my male side I am into Jung and the idea of anima and animus and i think we all have both sides in us to some extent
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, that is a nice point; and you don’t have to reveal who you really are in FL to do that.
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Just, this is not the “real” me
[2011/03/22 16:17]  Ste Sullivan: In SL you don’t just have to read a novel. You can live it.
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Gilles Kuhn: in rl too ste but its more risky…..
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Like Gilles can tell people he really isn’t a werewolf in RL, and then they can decide if they still care about him.
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Drezz Jarman: hahahaha
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Extropia DaSilva: SL is a foreign country. They do things differently there…
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Gilles Kuhn: who said i was not a real were…?
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Ste Sullivan: You’re right, Gilles.
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, yes; well put
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Ivy Sunkiller: well I actually don’t have horns IRL
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Ivy Sunkiller: at least yet
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Drezz Jarman: I find women except me whereas some men have hated me in sl
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Oh, L.P. Hartley, how erudite, Extropia
[2011/03/22 16:18]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): oh, sorry. I take it back. He is a werewolf. Honest
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Scarp Godenot: I have a question? Why is roleplaying an opposite sex seen as more deviant than roleplaying an animal or robot or any other type of being?
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Gilles Kuhn: ah you are rl single ivy then 😉
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Drezz Jarman: i meant accept ahjha
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): drezz are you male or female rl
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Ste Sullivan: Risk in SL is FAR lower than in RL. That’s why people have an easy time of lying and cheating in here.
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: He was a werewolf. But he is not NoooOOOOooooow!
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Maddy, how come you never say thinks like that to me?
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Ivy Sunkiller: I’m single indeed
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Drezz Jarman: yes I want to know that as well
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Ste Sullivan: And if you ever get found out, goodbye old avatar, hello new one.
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Hartley is a gem
[2011/03/22 16:19]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): take a look between ya legs and get back to me, lol
[2011/03/22 16:20]  Drezz Jarman: I also have a fmale av as well
[2011/03/22 16:20]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well how about this? Tell other people’s opinion of your rl self? Yes, I am a 19 year old girl. Yes, I am a 300 lb, 44 year old male with a permanent mental defect. Yes, I am a homosexual dwarf.
[2011/03/22 16:20]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Dwarves are sexy.
[2011/03/22 16:20]  Drezz Jarman: 😉
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Gilles Kuhn: ah sarkozy is in sl ?
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): lol
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Scarp Godenot: I suspect that roleplaying an opposite sex seems more deviant because other know for sure that you are NOT an animal or a robot, whereas they don’t about an opposite sex.
[2011/03/22 16:21]  erin Stormcrow: why should you be defined by superficial effects like that rhi?
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Drezz Jarman: yes true Scarp
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Maybe the real thing to bake your noodle is not, being in love with somepne whose gender is not that of their avie, but being in love with someone in SL who has given their account to someone else, and you do not know the person behind the avvie changed;)
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): i dont like deception, i have and never will like people running around sl as the opposite gender
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Ste Sullivan: Scarp: Roleplaying an opposite sex is more deviant because it can change our feelings toward people much more.
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Scarp, but it only matters if gender matters, and isn’t that sexist? That was Wasserstrom’s point, and my poin in the “Male like Me,” story
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Drezz Jarman: but i am not in sl for romance I build and DJ mainly
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Ivy Sunkiller: Rhi: how does it matter if you are tall or short or fat? Isn’t it actually better *not* to judge people on their looks for once?
[2011/03/22 16:21]  Gilles Kuhn: aki it is not a deception an avie is only an avie
[2011/03/22 16:22]  Ste Sullivan: Whereas if you play a robot, we instantly know it’s just a roleplay.
[2011/03/22 16:22]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ivy, yes, I agree totally; that was my point. Careful, Ivy, we’ve been agreeing on evrything except the exciting nature of my discussions.
[2011/03/22 16:22]  Gilles Kuhn: not even that its because you change appearance for wathever reason you wan
[2011/03/22 16:22]  Scarp Godenot: Extie, I suspect that most could easily tell a friend that was being played by a different RL person.
[2011/03/22 16:22]  Drezz Jarman: but it i s second life so it is my choice what i want my second life to me i am not here on a virtual dating service, I see this as a creative medium
[2011/03/22 16:22]  erin Stormcrow: it’s the ultimate opportunity to free ourselves from preconception
[2011/03/22 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: But if you really love someone in SL, and then you find out he is really a she and you say ‘oh UGH! UGH!’ does that not merely show you to be too narrow minded, regarding who you can love?
[2011/03/22 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): /ame agrees with goth Drezz and erin
[2011/03/22 16:23]  Ivy Sunkiller: Extie: I do find that is the case actually, yes
[2011/03/22 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Extie, yes, it does. The “Male like Me,” scenario again
[2011/03/22 16:23]  Ste Sullivan: You still can’t free yourself from human nature in here though.
[2011/03/22 16:23]  Gilles Kuhn: ok an example who am i deceptioning in here atm
[2011/03/22 16:23]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Alas, in RL (and I suspect in SL) we have little control over what we find physically attractive.
[2011/03/22 16:23]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): OMG, Gilles, you’re hot!
[2011/03/22 16:23]  Gilles Kuhn: tks rhi lol
[2011/03/22 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But you’ve left me the only nekkid person here.
[2011/03/22 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I liked it better when you were nude
[2011/03/22 16:24]  Ivy Sunkiller: Gilles is a cat IRL
[2011/03/22 16:24]  Drezz Jarman: ok this is strange I would never fancy guys as amale in sl but i do in rl
[2011/03/22 16:24]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Drezz, not strange at all; we see gender as incidental here in SL
[2011/03/22 16:24]  Gilles Kuhn: once i had the habit to respond i was in rl a giant hermaphrodit squid living in the north sea
[2011/03/22 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But it’s almost part of our essence in RL
[2011/03/22 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gilles, I thought that was you.
[2011/03/22 16:25]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I think I’ll put that response in my profile.
[2011/03/22 16:25]  Gilles Kuhn: and where have i put those stupid fem shoes in my inventory grmmmmmmbl
[2011/03/22 16:25]  Scarp Godenot: Can you remember when you first entered SL what you wanted to make your avatar like? I wanted to make an ugly old avatar, just to shake things up because all I saw was good looking people. I quickly found out that people didn’t want to talk to an Ugly Old person! ha ha ha
[2011/03/22 16:25]  Drezz Jarman: i think I like sl for the very reason we can look beyond difference if we choose to and like the essence of a person and their mind
[2011/03/22 16:26]  erin Stormcrow: I’m not sure if it is part of our essence in RL so much as part of our socialization
[2011/03/22 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: I wanted to be a Moravecian bush robot.
[2011/03/22 16:26]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: It took me several avatars to get started in SL.
[2011/03/22 16:26]  Ivy Sunkiller: minds are sexy!
[2011/03/22 16:26]  Drezz Jarman: I made a nerd
[2011/03/22 16:26]  Drezz Jarman: and i found i was tongue tied and felt really shy
[2011/03/22 16:26]  Drezz Jarman: 😉
[2011/03/22 16:26]  Scarp Godenot: I still am a nerd Drezz! ha ha
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Dress, yes, it’s a perfect democracy of souls
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Drezz Jarman: ahahahha
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Ste Sullivan: I would like a more unique avatar, but I’m just too lazy to make one.
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): i prefer my nerd avi to all of my alts
[2011/03/22 16:27]  monaka Sak: yea i was an overweight girl when i first started SL cuz that’s real me in RL. then guys and even girl kindly gave me advices and encouragd me to shrink my body
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And I did it; I put down I could be a giant, hermaphrodite squid
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: The first night in SL I met the avatar of Ariana Huffington. LOL
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Drezz Jarman: hhahahaha
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Also some people at Philosophy Island think I’m Saul Kripkie, so I’ve put that down as well.
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: I like to say that I am a walking ensemble of other people’s content, because I got my hair, body, makeup, clothes and walk animation over the years from many different stores in SL.
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Maddy lol
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Kripke*
[2011/03/22 16:27]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I have a Josephine Baker avi
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Drezz Jarman: cool complete with bananas
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Drezz Jarman: ?
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Madeleine Fitzgerald: Well, I need to go. Dinner is calling. Thanks for the discussion.
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, it’s her head; it’s a hot African body I got fromn a store here
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Gilles Kuhn: yheaaaa put it rhi !!!!
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Ivy Sunkiller: byes Maddy
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Ste Sullivan: I got most of my clothes given to me because people had pity on me.
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: Have a nice dinner!
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Ste, me too; going around naked, peopole want to give me clothes
[2011/03/22 16:28]  monaka Sak: have a good one Madeleine!
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Scarp Godenot: We should do an avie changing Thinkers group meeting! Each come as something completely different than our usual look.
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Aroha (akiva.trallis): i need to go to, thx all for the nice discussion, cya laters
[2011/03/22 16:28]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): bye, Maddy!
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Ste Sullivan: Bye Akiva.
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Gilles Kuhn: cross gender party hare in sl thats more fun!
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: OK my time is up in a few minutes so let is hear some final opinions…people fall in love more quickly here because….?
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Gilles Kuhn: here*
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Jill Sinclair: looks like I need to run too… tc everyone
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Scarp Godenot: Because life here moves faster in general.
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Halo Evermore: its easy
[2011/03/22 16:29]  erin Stormcrow: our masks make us honest, so we see the person inside, without fear
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Bye Jill
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Ivy Sunkiller: because there are virtually no consequences of making a bad choice
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Drezz Jarman: next time i will come as a woman then
[2011/03/22 16:29]  monaka Sak: bye Jill 🙂
[2011/03/22 16:29]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): erin, I like that!
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Ste Sullivan: People fall in love more quickly because they don’t have to go through all the boring crap that takes forever.
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I may put that in my profile too.
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Ivy Sunkiller: because avatars tend to be more attractive
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Scarp Godenot: nice one Ivy
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Drezz, then I mjay comne as a man
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Ivy Sunkiller: because they don’t have brains
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Drezz Jarman: its a deal 🙂
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Scarp Godenot: ha ha
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: OK my time is up!
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Gilles, you want to get an LM for a shoe store?
[2011/03/22 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: NEXT WEEK: KNOWING THE TRUTH..
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