Thinkers 15 FEB 2011: I, SEXBOT

Extropia DaSilva at Thinkers

Extropia DaSilva: You often here futurists forecasting robots taking over this job, that job…
[2011/02/15 15:33]  Toy (aeni.silvercloud): /me looks at Ivy suspiciously!
[2011/02/15 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: We tend to think of these as you know, industrial jobs, jobs we love to hate..
[2011/02/15 15:33]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Ha ha Extropia. We are all def the tech warmongers now, not the blue people.
[2011/02/15 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: But what about robots as lovers, sexual partners…
[2011/02/15 15:33]  Extropia DaSilva: I, SEXBOT: From Pygmalliion falling in love with the statue Galatea, to the men in the documentary Guys And Dolls who have fallen in love with sex-dolls, the idea of having a romantic/sexual relationship with an artifact has a long history. While this seems weird today, will it become increasingly normal as the art of making androids is perfected?
[2011/02/15 15:33]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Yes, sex — bots!
[2011/02/15 15:34]  Ivy Sunkiller: remember kids, man fucking with a robot is pathetic, but a woman fuckign with a dildo-attached mixer is empowering!
[2011/02/15 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Would most agree that sex dolls/ androids today are kind of creepy?
[2011/02/15 15:34]  Lem Skall: define love, because we also love our pets
[2011/02/15 15:34]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): /me listens to Extropia …
[2011/02/15 15:34]  Lem Skall: oh, so we define love by fucking
[2011/02/15 15:35]  Zobeid Zuma: Don’t forget that great episode of Futurama with the Marilyn Monrobots and the Lucy Liu-bots.
[2011/02/15 15:35]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: the name *SEX*bot kind of sells it, no? 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:35]  June Stormcrow: Yes, I saw a show on them a week or so ago. Still a bit too creepy
[2011/02/15 15:35]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Love by intimate vulnerable touching.
[2011/02/15 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Lem, the definitive study on sex with robots cites relationships with pets as a reason why we might develop relationships with bots.
[2011/02/15 15:35]  Lem Skall: so what? we have sex dolls now
[2011/02/15 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You have to understand that it’s all about new types of fetishism… 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:35]  Lem Skall: Extie, exactly
[2011/02/15 15:36]  Zobeid Zuma: Oh good link Gwyn. 😀
[2011/02/15 15:36]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): k, but a fetish is a narrowing of focus …
[2011/02/15 15:36]  Scarp Godenot: I probably have met a few that would marry their pets.
[2011/02/15 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me grins @ Zo
[2011/02/15 15:36]  June Stormcrow: Agreed Gwyn
[2011/02/15 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: BUt let us imagine you cannot tell a gynoid from a human.
[2011/02/15 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: In terms of looks..
[2011/02/15 15:36]  Lem Skall: of course we will have a relationship with our robots but will that be LOVE?
[2011/02/15 15:36]  Zobeid Zuma: That would be boring, Extie.
[2011/02/15 15:36]  Ivy Sunkiller: I guess Japanese wouldn’t mind marrying a robot, as long as it looks like some anime/manga character of their choice
[2011/02/15 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In my experience, people have fetishes about pretty much *everything*, and “looking like a human” is not even high on the list….
[2011/02/15 15:37]  Lem Skall: so now we define love by marriage?
[2011/02/15 15:37]  Scarp Godenot: Given enough complexity and an ability to be unique through complexity, your future robot partner could be a totally unique life form unlike any other. So why not go for it.
[2011/02/15 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me likes Lem’s questions 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: In Tokyo there is a brothel called ‘Forest Of Dolls’ and, yes, you go there to have sex with dolls.
[2011/02/15 15:37]  Lem Skall: Gwyn, what’s new in that? ;P
[2011/02/15 15:38]  Scarp Godenot: I hope they use lost of disinfectant, Extie… heh
[2011/02/15 15:38]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Extropia host, please do keep refocusing us on topic …
[2011/02/15 15:38]  Toy (aeni.silvercloud): love would only be possible if the robots were able to show emotions… we can love our pets because they love us too and let us know it
[2011/02/15 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: Sure will
[2011/02/15 15:38]  Lem Skall: Cupidon, we ARE on topic
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Yes yes I know!
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me is a bit confused.
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Lem Skall: I’m sure robots will someday have emotions or at least will SHOW emotions
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So are we talking about love, sex, r marriage?
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): kk, tries to swallow all the above …
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: *or
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Ivy Sunkiller: we are on the topic, and it’s actually a rare case 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Scarp Godenot: Presumably a future bot that would be indistinguishable from a human would include emotional abilities in some form….
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Lem Skall: Gwyn, we’re talking about robots
[2011/02/15 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah!
[2011/02/15 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Because having sex with robots, well, it’s just a fetish like millions of others; there is really nothing to discuss about that 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: I think emotion is relatively easy. Animators have had us feeling the full range of emotions for drawings and computer graphics. No reason why that skill could not be translated into expressive robots.
[2011/02/15 15:40]  Tarrah Egregor (planetniles.dreamscape): otherwise it wouldn’t be indistinguishable
[2011/02/15 15:40]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): k, what is the opportunity of a sexbot? what fulfillments does it offer, while what complications does it promise to avoid? Or,
[2011/02/15 15:40]  Extropia DaSilva: hello Elizabeth
[2011/02/15 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I’m assuming that this is about *loving* a fellow sentient being who happens not to be organic. Is that it?
[2011/02/15 15:40]  Elizabeth Spieler: hi
[2011/02/15 15:41]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): is there a sexbot that will promise conversations at midnight in the kitchen about the kids’ futures?
[2011/02/15 15:41]  Scarp Godenot: We haven’t said they are sentient as a defining given, Gwyn
[2011/02/15 15:41]  Ivy Sunkiller: among other things I believe so, yes, Gwyn 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:41]  Lem Skall: ok, so we will have relationships with our robots but what will be the nature of that relationship? And we are going back to the topic of robot rights, are they going to have the same rights as humans, because that determines the nature of our relationship
[2011/02/15 15:41]  Scarp Godenot: We have said that they are able to simulate sentience.
[2011/02/15 15:41]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Emotion is easy. But investment is harder. Cost, value, harder.
[2011/02/15 15:42]  Lem Skall: our pets don’t have the same rights as humans for instance
[2011/02/15 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: I might argue that part of the attraction lies in the assumption that the sexbot is *not* fully a person, doesn’t have its own will, freedom, etc.
[2011/02/15 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: Well…yes and no. I am more interested in the consequences to relationships, the self, society, when we have GORGEOUS and HANDSOME femmebots and malebots that are better at sex than human partners.
[2011/02/15 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: All right, Scarp, then it’s easy. It’s just a question of definition. With creatures with human minds, we can have love, sex, and marriage; with sentient beings, we have bestialisty (a form of fetishism), and, in some countries, marriage is almost possible; with non.sentient things, we have plain old fetishism.
[2011/02/15 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: Therefore, a lot of the negative and stressful things that can happen in a normal relationship would no longer be a concern.
[2011/02/15 15:42]  Tarrah Egregor (planetniles.dreamscape): under the current capitalistic model they, unless are very convinceing as sapients, wil be property
[2011/02/15 15:42]  Lem Skall: Extie, we have prostitutes and escorts doing that nowadays
[2011/02/15 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But Extie, “better at sex” depends ultimately on the kind of things that excite a specific individual….
[2011/02/15 15:43]  Elizabeth Spieler: in considering the woman’s nature why would she use a robot? aren’t it the males that require porn?
[2011/02/15 15:43]  Zobeid Zuma: Because let’s face it, human beings can be quite demanding and difficult to deal with at some times. 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:43]  Lem Skall: woman’s nature says that?
[2011/02/15 15:43]  Scarp Godenot: So I see the issue: Will society go all to hell because people won’t fall in love with biologicals anymore?
[2011/02/15 15:43]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): I already have a relationship with a jar of petroleum jelly. A sexbot I imagine is a sort of deluxe version of this jar …
[2011/02/15 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can guarantee you that a few acquaintances I have are fetishists who swear that it’s far more exciting for them than to have a human partner; and guess what, they’re not a “small minority”.
[2011/02/15 15:43]  Ivy Sunkiller: multiple, size-changing, twisting cocks ejaculating apple juice
[2011/02/15 15:44]  Price Bailey: most of the women I know already of little pleasure giving robots in their nightstand
[2011/02/15 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: didn’t that happen somewhere around 1968? ㋡
[2011/02/15 15:44]  Elizabeth Spieler: men and women do not have sex for the same anatomy parts or reasons
[2011/02/15 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: Got a quote from a prostitute: ‘It won’t be long before customers can buy a robot from the drug-store, and they won’t need us at all’.
[2011/02/15 15:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Elizabeth, and even among each gender, there are trillions of different reasons…
[2011/02/15 15:44]  Scarp Godenot: Hmmm, so a good analogy in our time is how has easy access to porn affected society?
[2011/02/15 15:44]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): If we do grant sexbots rights it will be in order to invest them with value, and we’ll try to invest them with enough to improve the fantasy of our having a relationship with them.
[2011/02/15 15:44]  Lem Skall: ah, I see now, the advantage of having a sex slave that reproduces the characteristics of a human but without the rights of a human
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not really, Extie. If sex with robots becomes popular, sex with organic humans will become a fetish 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Elizabeth Spieler: yes gwyneth but the male is extrovert and the female is introvert, isn’t this obvious?
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Elizabeth Spieler: sorry boys I have no use for a penis
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lem: women, for mos of history? 😛
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Elizabeth Spieler: my clitoris is outside me
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Price Bailey: god no men would never want a sexbot that behaves like an actual female
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Elizabeth Spieler: what is the robot for ?
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Elizabeth Spieler: my sex is 90% in the fantasy of my brain
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): ‘Better at sex’ is a very small thing.
[2011/02/15 15:45]  Scarp Godenot: Oh, here is a question. If the sexbot isn’t a sentient being, then is sex with it a form of masturbation?
[2011/02/15 15:46]  Elizabeth Spieler: I don’t need anything outside me
[2011/02/15 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Elizabeth, it’s teh same of everybody… the remaining 10% are just lying (to themselves mostly) 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:46]  Elizabeth Spieler: I can get off any time any where alone, so I don’t get it ?
[2011/02/15 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: it’s just a fetish 😛
[2011/02/15 15:46]  Elizabeth Spieler: giggles Gwyneth . . so true
[2011/02/15 15:46]  Ivy Sunkiller: via Meta:
[2011/02/15 15:46]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): If people don’t fall in love with biologics anymore, that might save us — it’s the population explosion that is killing us.
[2011/02/15 15:46]  Elizabeth Spieler: I won’t be buying a robot
[2011/02/15 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I would add to that, Elizabeth, people who can’t just have little imagination… hehehe
[2011/02/15 15:47]  Elizabeth Spieler: sounds like more work with maintenance no thanks
[2011/02/15 15:47]  Scarp Godenot: I guess the answer to my question above is not always, because men have been shown to have fallen ‘in love’ with their latex sex dolls……
[2011/02/15 15:47]  Lem Skall: oh oh, there’s another advantage of sexbots, they will change looks more easily than humans
[2011/02/15 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: If it were only latex sex dolls…
[2011/02/15 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: Price reminds me of another quote: ‘People have been saying for a long time that men have lost their desire for real women. Rather than have sex with a woman who doesn’t fulfill their expectations, they would rather play with sometrhing that corresponds to their fantasyt, even if she’s not real’.
[2011/02/15 15:47]  Ivy Sunkiller: Elizabeth: I disagree, organic partner takes a looooot of maintenance time
[2011/02/15 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, Extie; you’ve described SL 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:47]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Elizabeth, yes, in evolutionary terms, the sexual agendas of males and females are very different, and unhappily at odds.
[2011/02/15 15:48]  Elizabeth Spieler: Ivy giggles I have to agree with you also
[2011/02/15 15:48]  Lem Skall: Extie, not true, men don’t necessarilywant ONE fantasy, they care more about diversity
[2011/02/15 15:48]  Scarp Godenot: I think most if not all men would prefer the real woman to porn, but it is a question of availability and access. RL women are not there when wanted…… heh
[2011/02/15 15:48]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think you’re taking your gender alignments too black-and-white hehe
[2011/02/15 15:48]  Lem Skall: sexbots don’t have headaches either
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Elizabeth Spieler: I consider the male brain to be a reality based thinker, the female brain is a fantasy based thinker, so this is why women are the gift to men
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Ivy Sunkiller: my circuits are itchy today!
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Lem, the human fantasy of being a human sex slave is so much different than this — the D/s s is so much all about what is happening in D/s.
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh I love that, Elizabeth! 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Elizabeth Spieler: men like to watch and women like to be watched – it works . . shrugs
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *nods*
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Price Bailey: love is really just a release of oxytoxin , so the men that fall in love with the silicon sex dolls , have really just learned how to simulate sex so well huge amounts of the hormone are released
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): “My clitoris is outside me.” 🙂 Very good.
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Scarp Godenot: Elizabeth: Considering oneself a ‘gift’ is a form of narcissism in my opinion.
[2011/02/15 15:49]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): My biography is outside me.
[2011/02/15 15:50]  Elizabeth Spieler: Cupidon that lifestyle isn’t life long, it’s a phase
[2011/02/15 15:50]  Lem Skall: my penis is outside me
[2011/02/15 15:50]  Elizabeth Spieler: my aunt engaged in massive orgies in the 60’s for about 5 years then she never had sex again
[2011/02/15 15:50]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Man, Men are so the whipping post …
[2011/02/15 15:50]  Scarp Godenot: Elizabeth, that sounds like many college experiences…..
[2011/02/15 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Price: does that mean that women would never fall in love with silicon sex dolls? Hmm 🙂 I wonder then why sells male dolls too…
[2011/02/15 15:51]  Zobeid Zuma: aherm. . . Most of the buyers of those might not be female.
[2011/02/15 15:51]  Lem Skall: women have more sex toys than men
[2011/02/15 15:51]  Elizabeth Spieler: scarp well it’s when they burned their bras and said LOVE all – let’s all have sex and well they did but gosh, sort of killed the rest of their life towards sex is what I see
[2011/02/15 15:51]  Ivy Sunkiller: Elizabeth: I assume you don’t know Khannea. If D/s is a “phase” then it’s a rather stretchy one in her case 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:51]  Price Bailey: oh no not at all , I just read about a lady that married the Eiffel tower
[2011/02/15 15:51]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh yes we do, lem 🙂 hehe
[2011/02/15 15:51]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): I disagree that having a real-life ‘organic’ partner is all and only an increase in ‘maintenznce.’ It’s more than that an increase in synergy, teamwork, companionship.
[2011/02/15 15:51]  Scarp Godenot: Zobeid, I think you are right about that… heh
[2011/02/15 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I like to see that Cupidon is a romantic 🙂 Well done!
[2011/02/15 15:52]  Lem Skall: Cupidon, that’s what pets are
[2011/02/15 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lem! haha
[2011/02/15 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: Gwyn, my research includes studies of women who pay for sex. Some are just too busy to bother with traditional dating and all the courtship stuff. They want uncomplicated sex. So you can imagine they would be interested in a sexbot.
[2011/02/15 15:52]  Elizabeth Spieler: Ivy Dr Ruth speaks on some sexual styles have no end, it’s in the book to called A Brave New World the dysfunction that occurs
[2011/02/15 15:52]  Elizabeth Spieler: Even the greatest porn star in the world got married and turned monogamous recently
[2011/02/15 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure, why not, Extie? As it was pointed out, we love sex toys lol
[2011/02/15 15:53]  Scarp Godenot: You perfect teamwork, companion, love person may be just that, but unavailable for sex much of the time.
[2011/02/15 15:53]  Ivy Sunkiller: NO, NOT JENNA?!
[2011/02/15 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah there is a sex machine called the Sybian which gives better sex than a man.
[2011/02/15 15:53]  Elizabeth Spieler: Extropia I would see some women would definately yes depending on her sexual psyche of which it’s reported every 2 out of 3 women is different
[2011/02/15 15:53]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Oxytoxin, pheranomes … nature’s protagonist is the gene. Nature’s protagonist does not at all have the happiness of the personalites of human people in mind.
[2011/02/15 15:53]  Price Bailey: I think a sexbot would be a great valentines gift from say… a fifty yo wife to her husband
[2011/02/15 15:54]  Lem Skall: Extie, your primary really has to be a man
[2011/02/15 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: *Scratches her crotch and belches* You think?
[2011/02/15 15:54]  Ivy Sunkiller: /me chuckles
[2011/02/15 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2011/02/15 15:54]  Elizabeth Spieler: when you leave your wife, and you stop the sex, it’s known to hamper the trust factor of the relationship as trust is built in working out sex together
[2011/02/15 15:55]  Price Bailey: exactly laughs
[2011/02/15 15:55]  Elizabeth Spieler: intimacy
[2011/02/15 15:55]  Elizabeth Spieler: can you live without intimacy that is the question
[2011/02/15 15:55]  Scarp Godenot: I think that we need to distinguish between primitive near term technology sexbots, which might just be convenient masturbatory tools, and future sex robots that might be virtually indistinguishable from humans. The issues become more complex with realism.
[2011/02/15 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I’m assuming that this “intimacy” would be simulated by the robot…
[2011/02/15 15:55]  Lem Skall: somehow I would expect men to know about sybians even though they wouldn’t be the ones using them
[2011/02/15 15:56]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): The statistical predictor of happiness, in human psychology: A long-lasting intimate partnership.
[2011/02/15 15:56]  Price Bailey: I was more thinking she’s all dry and itchy and has no interest in sex and says “take this in the spare bedroom and leave me alone”
[2011/02/15 15:56]  Ivy Sunkiller: you haven’t seen porn if you haven’t came across the machines, heh Lem? 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: My own personal problem with this is, no matter how good the anroid is at acting like a person, and looking like one, if it is a sex bot it has no choice but to find you sexually attractive. Or what is the point? But that seems kind of fake.
[2011/02/15 15:56]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Is this only about straight and lesbian versions of the topic?
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): I am a man and my fantasy is to be the engineer of the ultimate Sybian.
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Well, and the robots
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Elizabeth Spieler: without intimacy I see no point in the relationship to a human, no intimacy can occur in the robot it’s not human
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Lem Skall: I can have sex with a professional even if she doesn’t find me attractive
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): I am Durand Durand in the 1967 movie Barbarella.
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: But then I think ‘well what about people? We are programmed to find people sexually attractive’.
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Zobeid Zuma: Fake? Maybe. . . but awfully convenient.
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Elizabeth, I think that the “what if” question of the night is exactly to figure out if intimacy with a robot could be possible or not
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Lem Skall: intimacy does not depend on attractiveness
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Ivy Sunkiller: Extropia: not more fake than finding avatars in SL sexually attractive, regardless of the puppeteer’s look 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:57]  Scarp Godenot: Extie: yes, there is the question of desire due to scarcity and a need to deserve the sex.
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right, Ivy!
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Zobeid Zuma: I do think that the question becomes more interesting when the sexbots become capable of being more than *just* sexbots. Or even more than *mainly* sexbots.
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Scarp Godenot: I look around the room and most here have tried to make their avatar look sexually desirable.
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Man when Extropia scratched her crotch and belched, I imagined my cheek happily pressed into her pussy like a pillow.
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed, Zo.
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Sex is an impulse, like peeing and toileting
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Price Bailey: Much of sex is faked , how many women had sex on valentines just cause the poor sap brought home flowers and she felt obligated
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: BUt maybe it is fake like the Turing test is fake. Maybe if a robot behaves in every way like he loves you and finds you desirable, using all the usual human signs of being in love/lust..well your evolutionary buttons are bound to be pressed.
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Lem Skall: it’s intimacy when you scratch behind the ear of Fido even if it is not sexual intimacy
[2011/02/15 15:58]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Love sometimes includes sex
[2011/02/15 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Very likely so, Extie 🙂
[2011/02/15 15:59]  Elizabeth Spieler: Yes Gwyneth . .so my answer is no, intimacy can’t be between a robot and me . . romance movies on the tv and I will be getting married instead . .giggles I take you TV to be my husband
[2011/02/15 15:59]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Sometimes not
[2011/02/15 15:59]  Ivy Sunkiller: Price: it seems I undevaluated valentines
[2011/02/15 15:59]  Price Bailey: oh Extropia I want one of those you described
[2011/02/15 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: what would it take to change your mind, Elizabeth?
[2011/02/15 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I’m naive, and I’m sure that if a robot could fool me to believe that he’s human, I could fall in love with him.
[2011/02/15 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or it.
[2011/02/15 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: I hope I am around long enough to see one, Price.
[2011/02/15 16:00]  Elizabeth Spieler: Extropia change my nature?
[2011/02/15 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, I get fooled every day with far less complex things 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:00]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Extropia, the Turing test cannot fake the scratchiness of your pussy hairs.
[2011/02/15 16:00]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Well, we know persons amoung us who are attracted to beings other than human
[2011/02/15 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: Might not be necessary. Humanlike robots need to become humanlike enough, is all.
[2011/02/15 16:00]  Lem Skall: I think we’ll care less about a robot liking us and more about a robot needing us, and that’s easy to program
[2011/02/15 16:01]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): I say that really in the most profound way!
[2011/02/15 16:01]  Lem Skall: sex with something that needs us will give the sense of intimacy
[2011/02/15 16:01]  Elizabeth Spieler: got another place to go – thank you it’s been most pleasant
[2011/02/15 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s what I meant at the beginning; fetishism is not exactly *tiny*
[2011/02/15 16:01]  Scarp Godenot: that was a fast poof
[2011/02/15 16:01]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Women….in the traditional sense that is…..always want a test
[2011/02/15 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Probably not even sex is required, Lem 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:01]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Intimacy is very so much about the here and now, the extremely individual, personal, and contingent.
[2011/02/15 16:02]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): The limited, the mortal.
[2011/02/15 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: YOu know, the makers of RealDoll got a request once, for a doll whose whole lower portion, bum and thighs, was covered in pubic hair. They refused the request. Too weird for them, I guess.
[2011/02/15 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I like that “women in the traditional sense” lol — what are non-traditional women, and how do you spot them, Arch? 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:02]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Sexbots are about pretending to be immortal.
[2011/02/15 16:02]  Scarp Godenot: The age old wisdom is the trade of fertility for security.
[2011/02/15 16:02]  Price Bailey: I prefer my sex without intimacy , I get enough intimacy with my wife , sex I prefer hot and rough and nasty
[2011/02/15 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: i’m absolutely not surprised 😀
[2011/02/15 16:02]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Real sex is about embracing our mortality and limitations.
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): We need to distinguish between the caring for the young, and the feelings of attraction
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oooh we’re stepping towards something else, Cupidon. Mmmh
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Immortality as a fetish!
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Ivy Sunkiller: dammit, I want to be immortal! 😦
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’ve seen worse.
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Lem Skall: what were those online games where you had to feed them and care for them? Isn’t that close to what we may one day feel for sexbots?
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Price Bailey: all I was saying is I’d use a sexbot , but if it tries to cuddle after I’d pull it’s fuse
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Scarp Godenot: viagra cures the need for embracing our limitations,Cupidon…. heh
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tamagochi? FarmVille? 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh now, that is interesting. What if your true-love would never die, have good looks that would never fade? This would be the case if your boy/girlfriend was a robot. Does that make it a better bet than a human?
[2011/02/15 16:03]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): O man, Price …
[2011/02/15 16:04]  Lem Skall: Gwyn, right, all of those
[2011/02/15 16:04]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Does anyone else remember the “Harrod Experiment” novel?
[2011/02/15 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: no
[2011/02/15 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Immortality and perfection, two of the most powerful drives for the human species in this degenerate age 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:04]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Arch I disagree. It’s just all the blend of reality. Reality!
[2011/02/15 16:05]  Scarp Godenot: Gwyn: or as Nietzche calls those things: Will To Power
[2011/02/15 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I can certainly see where sexbots fit into that picture
[2011/02/15 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: Did you know there is one documented case of someone contracting an STD from a sex dolll? It was a sailor, and he got gonorreah off of a blow up doll. See, it jad been used moments before by another sailor who had the disease.
[2011/02/15 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: At least a desire for sure, Scarp…
[2011/02/15 16:05]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Sanity, according to Peck: Dedication to reality at all cost.
[2011/02/15 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: Just thought I would share..
[2011/02/15 16:05]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): And that dedication, at it’s best, is a romance.
[2011/02/15 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Peck is wrong 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:06]  Lem Skall: Extie, ewww
[2011/02/15 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes Lem.
[2011/02/15 16:06]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Insanity, according to Jung: An unwillingness to suffer pain.
[2011/02/15 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Why is that insane?
[2011/02/15 16:06]  Scarp Godenot: I’m guessing the insane suffer a lot of pain
[2011/02/15 16:07]  Lem Skall: I think that settles it: blow up dolls deserve rights if they can give gonorrhea
[2011/02/15 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lem! hahahahahah
[2011/02/15 16:07]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): The cure for disease is not abstinence……..I was born before AIDS, lived through the insanity, and know that it is only a disease, like mumps, or measles
[2011/02/15 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: So I guess right now the sexdoll is a niche product? What would it take for it to become mainstream?
[2011/02/15 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It is “only a disease” *now*, Arch 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:07]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Make it cheap.
[2011/02/15 16:07]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Arch, what is the plot of the Harrod Experiment?
[2011/02/15 16:08]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: If it’s cheap, it becomes mainstream.
[2011/02/15 16:08]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Yes Gwyn, then it was the definition of gay
[2011/02/15 16:08]  Lem Skall: Extie, when sex dolls will be advertised on tv like viagra
[2011/02/15 16:08]  Scarp Godenot: Remember the Woody Allen movie when sexual pleasure was obtained with an orb? What do you think about the possibility of that being the type of thing for the future instead of a simulation of a human?
[2011/02/15 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: What would it take for it to be accepted as a genuine relationship, rather than an exotic form of prostitution?
[2011/02/15 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: The orgasmotron>
[2011/02/15 16:09]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Cu-Pe. it was a 60’s view of open committed relationships amoung multiple people
[2011/02/15 16:09]  Lem Skall: hmmm, I guess that the concept of relationship is changing itself
[2011/02/15 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: How, Lem?
[2011/02/15 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Naw Arch — I meant, it was not “just a disease”, it was a *deadly* one!
[2011/02/15 16:10]  Scarp Godenot: I think committed relationships are possible, but with each added person the variables go crazy for stability.
[2011/02/15 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s becoming temporary, like everything else
[2011/02/15 16:10]  Scarp Godenot: among multiples
[2011/02/15 16:10]  Lem Skall: it used to be that relationship was only marriage, now it’s actually deeper and more diverse
[2011/02/15 16:10]  Price Bailey: I see a lot of people with two avs , one their main , the other the slave , a two dimensional sexbot so to speak that they project thier desires through , my female av was actually paid to abuse one sexually , bots need not be automated
[2011/02/15 16:10]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Are we here in SL to escape reality and configure a new verstion of the way life for humans is that we can live in instead? or are we in SL to make theater experiments that are meant to better inform meaning in our understanding of RL?
[2011/02/15 16:10]  Lem Skall: what Gwyn said
[2011/02/15 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cupidon: who are those “we”? Because I’m in neither class 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:11]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): So were measles, mumps and polio, Gwyn…….now ppl have forgotten how much harm they caused
[2011/02/15 16:11]  Lem Skall: even with marriage, there are more divorces nowadays and remarriages
[2011/02/15 16:11]  Scarp Godenot: We are in SL for just about any reason you can think of Cupidon. No two people for the same reason exactly.
[2011/02/15 16:11]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Ha ha Scarp — that Woody Allen movie (Sleeper) is the origin of the word ‘Orgasmatron.’ 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “I’m not escaping reality; there is no reality to escape from” — Gwyn
[2011/02/15 16:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Arch: true on that regard! Hooray for medical science!
[2011/02/15 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: Well, maybe in the future you can datamine exhaustive personal details from people’s web footprint, build up comprehensive personal profiles, and build for them the perfect partner?
[2011/02/15 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: For about 5 seconds, yes, Extie
[2011/02/15 16:12]  Lem Skall: again, no perfect partner because we want divesity
[2011/02/15 16:12]  Lem Skall: diversity
[2011/02/15 16:12]  Scarp Godenot: One of the reasons I love this group and attend it, is that intellectual discussions among people are difficult to find in local areas RL.
[2011/02/15 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: There is no such concept as the “perfect partner”, because we idealise someone that will never change. Even if we could create a robot that would never change, we couldn’t prevent ourselves from changing — and finding the robot incredibly dull 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:12]  June Stormcrow: Anyone can fall victim to grass is greener syndrome
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: that’s true, Scarp ㋡
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: I mean…assuming Ivy’s primary shares her taste…what of s/he were in a club, and someone walks in who looks and acts just like Toy? YOu think she would want to take that sex bot home?
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Sometimes I wonder how often I have to say this
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Lem Skall: I have plenty of debates like this in RL, with myself
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’ll add to “immortality” and “perfection” a third thing: “immutability”
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: or “eternalism” if you prefer
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Price, the reason I created my 1st ALT was that I needed a ‘fabric dummy’ to try things out on – when you do some D/s things in SL, it’s the submissive who has to buy the bondage things that she is tied up in. So I created an ALT ‘sister.’ But, it turned out, she became a person, who had no tolerance for her ‘brother’ diddling her like that …
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Lem — and who wins? 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): perfect requires a standard against which to measure
[2011/02/15 16:13]  Scarp Godenot: Yes, the perfect partner is impossible, mostly because the definition of perfect constantly changes with one’s life.
[2011/02/15 16:14]  Lem Skall: what is D/s? Dumb shit?
[2011/02/15 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Cupidon 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:14]  Price Bailey: I see no reason said robots would not generate a huge after market for parts , much like other customizable comsumer products , car , computers etc
[2011/02/15 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lem ㋡
[2011/02/15 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Scarp: that’s what I meant….
[2011/02/15 16:14]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): A standard requires someone to decide the standard
[2011/02/15 16:14]  June Stormcrow: All that lube something is bound to go haywire with the electronics Price.
[2011/02/15 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or the other way round, Arch: each of us will define their own standards
[2011/02/15 16:15]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): D/s is BDSM.
[2011/02/15 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, a part of it.
[2011/02/15 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: Well maybe not perfect but someone that person A is very likely to find physically attractive, and is very likely to have a fulfilling emotional relationship with because s/he is so right for him?
[2011/02/15 16:15]  Lem Skall: hmmm, when are we going to have a topic about sex with aliens?
[2011/02/15 16:15]  Price Bailey: you could maybe add a third breast , one the small of “her ” back for when you’re slow dancing
[2011/02/15 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: what about right now, Lem? 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:15]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): My god you gotta be a speed reading to keep up with this conversation!
[2011/02/15 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: Mhmm
[2011/02/15 16:16]  Scarp Godenot: Sex with aliens would open up new markets of devices to match the parts up with!
[2011/02/15 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, Extie, if that person A is the kind of person that connects “emotional relationships” to “physical attraction” 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:16]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): *reader
[2011/02/15 16:16]  Lem Skall: ok, so is it initmacy if you have sex with an alien? is it bestiality? is bestiality intimacy?
[2011/02/15 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: we all are, Cupidon haha
[2011/02/15 16:17]  Scarp Godenot: We gather what we can and miss the rest Cupidon! haha
[2011/02/15 16:17]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Better too much than too little. 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:17]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s just another form of fetishism, Lem 🙂 I’d classify it as a subgroup of bestiality 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:17]  Price Bailey: don’t confuse sex and intimacy
[2011/02/15 16:17]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Cupid falling behind in the conversation…..interesting
[2011/02/15 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: No Gwyn, I am imagining sex bots that are master lovers in every sense of the word, including being good conversationlists, listeners, they are just great at everything you could want from a lover.
[2011/02/15 16:17]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): k k I’m not feeling happy about “Just another fetish” …
[2011/02/15 16:17]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): (I am caught up.)
[2011/02/15 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: If that were the case, why date a human?
[2011/02/15 16:18]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Um, I’ve tried but failed to find Alpha Centaurians to date …
[2011/02/15 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie, and you’re also imagining that one’s tastes would never change — or that the sex bot would be ever adaptable 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:18]  Lem Skall: so what if there will be an alien species that will be better lovers than humans? will that be the end of the human race because we will choose to mate with the aliens?
[2011/02/15 16:18]  Scarp Godenot: I think it is clear that humans are capable of falling in love with a futuristic sex bot, as they are capable of falling in love with lame sex dolls right now!
[2011/02/15 16:18]  Extropia DaSilva: Nods
[2011/02/15 16:18]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): we have one whom we love that prefers horses……as all of you know
[2011/02/15 16:18]  Price Bailey: I only date humans til she says “I love you” then I go home to my wife that obviuosly doesn’t
[2011/02/15 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh nice question, Lem! I think you’ve just described a successful mode of alien invasion that gets rid of the human species in just 100 years 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:19]  Price Bailey: SEXbot
[2011/02/15 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me agrees with Scarp hehe
[2011/02/15 16:19]  Scarp Godenot: ha ha Price
[2011/02/15 16:19]  Lem Skall: invasion by sexual superiority
[2011/02/15 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Price 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lem: could be an Ed Wood movie 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:20]  Lem Skall: in that case Italians would have conquered the world
[2011/02/15 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL !
[2011/02/15 16:20]  Extropia DaSilva: Would it be impossible for a humanoid robot to ‘change’? Could we imagine them being able to adapt to circumstances?
[2011/02/15 16:20]  Scarp Godenot: They did, Lem
[2011/02/15 16:20]  Lem Skall: no, Romans did
[2011/02/15 16:20]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): They did, Lem… least the Western world…..
[2011/02/15 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Why not, Extie? Humans can, after all, and if the “what if scenario” is to imagine that robots can emulate humans perfectly…
[2011/02/15 16:20]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): they just can’t recognize it
[2011/02/15 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok well, if ‘why not’, why this claim that the sexbot is limited because its user will grow out of it?
[2011/02/15 16:21]  Scarp Godenot: I have to put in a word for Italians. They truly know how to love living. Visiting Italy is always refreshing and sensual.
[2011/02/15 16:22]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Imagining is not sleeping next to.
[2011/02/15 16:22]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Isn’t Rome somewhere in Italy……though there is on in North Georgia
[2011/02/15 16:22]  Lem Skall: put all the sexbots on one continent and make it Mature
[2011/02/15 16:22]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Athens is in Georgia.
[2011/02/15 16:22]  Scarp Godenot: I think there is a Rome in most US states Arch
[2011/02/15 16:22]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): US North Georgia
[2011/02/15 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: I know the Romans did a lot for us, but is this discussion of ITaly’s undoubted beauty relevant?
[2011/02/15 16:22]  Scarp Godenot: Paris, Idaho is a real hole…. heh
[2011/02/15 16:23]  Lem Skall: Romans didn’t do anything for us Jews
[2011/02/15 16:23]  Scarp Godenot: Italian sexbots will rule in the future, Extie. Because they will know how to cook well too!
[2011/02/15 16:23]  Scarp Godenot: ha ha
[2011/02/15 16:24]  Lem Skall: sexbots will be made in China, not in Italy
[2011/02/15 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, I should retract my words, Extie…. sure, a sexbot that is infinitely adaptable would certainly be the perfect mate. I mean, I read Asimov’s stories of the 1950s and was convinced that he was right 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:24]  Extropia DaSilva: So who here would ever consider buying or hiring a sex doll? Imagine that they have got REALLY good. THese are HOT women and men. Would you want one of them? Costs as much as a high-end computer, say?
[2011/02/15 16:24]  Scarp Godenot: Sci Fi geek here too! ha ha
[2011/02/15 16:24]  Lem Skall: will a sexbot be monogamous and do we need that? can we love a sexbot if the sexbot loves other people?
[2011/02/15 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Although speaking strictly for myself, I prefer a “chore bot” to a sexbot….
[2011/02/15 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: Sex is a chore. *Yawns*
[2011/02/15 16:25]  Scarp Godenot: Lem, I’m assuming it can be programmed to be whatever you would prefer, Lem. INCLUDING hard to get.
[2011/02/15 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie: if the bot can do the dishes and clean the room too, yes, I want one!
[2011/02/15 16:26]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): I don’t know, it just seems to me, that, on the one hand, so much of the energy of the conversation has been a sort of Sci Fi/Fantasy energy of, Why not? while, seems to me, the real energy that happens in partnerships is about, O hell it is just the 2 of us here, hugely disappointing, but sort of happily bottomed out together in expectations, sort of happy to be hijacked by nature’s sloppier plan of just getting 2 together …
[2011/02/15 16:26]  Price Bailey: my wife would consider a sexbot and chorebot the same thing , and yes I’d drive an old car if thats what it took to afford a bot
[2011/02/15 16:26]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Sex is not always a chore….but it is only a chore with the one who one loves the most
[2011/02/15 16:26]  Lem Skall: Scarp, are we really going to be interested in sexbots if we can just program them any way we want?
[2011/02/15 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The programming can be fun, too 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me <– geek
[2011/02/15 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: Well, videogames are designed to be beaten. But if done well you have a definite feeling of achievment when you do beat them. I can imagine master sex bot designers whose robots are designed to find you attractive, but give you the thrill of the chase.
[2011/02/15 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm. Maybe I could add to my card “Sexbot programmer” which is way more fancy than “Virtual worlds consultant” 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:27]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Somehow Gwyn, that make sense coming from you *g*
[2011/02/15 16:27]  Scarp Godenot: hmmmm, Cupidon, so you are saying that happiness comes from being limited in choices and having a partner to share that limitation?
[2011/02/15 16:27]  Lem Skall: Gwyn is getting an orgasm writing code
[2011/02/15 16:27]  Price Bailey: the one that loves me the most , I don’t think my german sheperd would put up with it
[2011/02/15 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Arch 😉
[2011/02/15 16:27]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Scarp, yes.
[2011/02/15 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lem: nah, it’s a way too intellectual activity for that 🙂
[2011/02/15 16:28]  Scarp Godenot: Sexbot Programmer in your title could cause one’s blog to go Viral…. ha ha
[2011/02/15 16:28]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Writing poetry in meter and rhyme: that is all about being limited.
[2011/02/15 16:28]  Lem Skall: Gwyn, you probably haven’t written any code in a long time anyway
[2011/02/15 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ha Scarp! Well, I tried to add “Tantra Practicioner”….
[2011/02/15 16:29]  Lem Skall: and that is my sex life too
[2011/02/15 16:29]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Having done naughty things with my shepland sheepdog
[2011/02/15 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: True, Lem — 2:30 hours, to be more precise 😉
[2011/02/15 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: Writing in poetry meter and rhyme/ is something I’m doing all of the time.
[2011/02/15 16:29]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): The limits of life, a brief individual 60 or 70-year biography, are not artificial: limit (contingency) is reality.
[2011/02/15 16:29]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): Good novel plot, have to record it
[2011/02/15 16:29]  Lem Skall: lol, Extie
[2011/02/15 16:29]  Scarp Godenot: Tantra Practicioner would work well Gwyn if you had lots of explanitory pictures to go with it! heh
[2011/02/15 16:30]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Reality is THE romantic vacation spot to thing about sleeping together in.
[2011/02/15 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The problem, Scarp, is that’s actually something completely different than what people think it is… hehe
[2011/02/15 16:30]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): *think
[2011/02/15 16:30]  Lem Skall: we may have something like Total Recall sex before sexbots
[2011/02/15 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: what would be totall recall sex?
[2011/02/15 16:30]  Lem Skall: the movie
[2011/02/15 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh you mean, cybersex with wire implants
[2011/02/15 16:31]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): Arnold.
[2011/02/15 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: right, right
[2011/02/15 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: it’s far cheaper, I agree
[2011/02/15 16:31]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): DMN, Ari the clean is still here
[2011/02/15 16:31]  Lem Skall: implanted memories
[2011/02/15 16:31]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh no I think we get the sex bots before we can implant the memory of a great relationship.
[2011/02/15 16:31]  Scarp Godenot: Yes, Lem, I think you are right. Something wired directly into our brains with a VR component.
[2011/02/15 16:31]  Price Bailey: they already have vibrators that your lover can control form pc 1000’s of miles away , electro stim for men
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hm. Interesting. I think that both will be possible, but from a purely economic perspective, VR should be cheaper to produce and maintain.
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: SO it might come first.
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Price Bailey: so that sex already exists
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Lem Skall: Extie, I mean we’ll have that before the level of AI that is expected from a good sexbot
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Arch (archmage.atlantis): We are part animal, and part deity……not an easy combination
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I tend to agree with Lem.
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Arch 😀
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Ivy Sunkiller: going to run
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Ivy Sunkiller: byes folks!
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Extropia DaSilva: But Total Recall was about somehow putting the MEMORIES of a holiday into the brain, NOT expeienceing the holiday as a VR thing. You know, headsets and suits and all that.
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Cupidon-Pépin (cupidon.steerpike): “What a piece of work is Man …”
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Lem Skall: are we there yet?
[2011/02/15 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: bye Ivy!
[2011/02/15 16:33]  June Stormcrow: never lem
[2011/02/15 16:33]  Extropia DaSilva: OK my time is up!
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