DivinePheobe Luminos at Thinkers

Extropia DaSilva: Anyway..
[2011/02/08 15:34]  ArtCrash Exonar: No arguing your way out of it Lem….
[2011/02/08 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: I thought maybe we could expand the subject and discuss the importance of the Internet, web, social networking in romantic affairs in general, not just those that happen online…
[2011/02/08 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: So with that in mind, I ask..
[2011/02/08 15:35]  Extropia DaSilva: How long before romance in cyberspace goes from being better than nothing to better than anything?
[2011/02/08 15:35]  Ivy Sunkiller: as soon as secks gets better!
[2011/02/08 15:35]  Ivy Sunkiller: :p
[2011/02/08 15:35]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: IMO.. it can happen quite fast
[2011/02/08 15:36]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: (in my EXPERIENCE that is btw 😛 )
[2011/02/08 15:36]  Lem Skall: IMO it will NEVER happen
[2011/02/08 15:36]  ArtCrash Exonar: Better than anything? When full immersion electrodes on the brain can interact with full body reactions!
[2011/02/08 15:36]  Lem Skall: there will always be something better
[2011/02/08 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Well, for a start, is there any element of a romantic relationship that is already preferablly done online? If so, what?
[2011/02/08 15:36]  Lem Skall: cheating, that is better online
[2011/02/08 15:36]  Ivy Sunkiller: haha, wanted to say the same
[2011/02/08 15:37]  anouk Valeska: much safer
[2011/02/08 15:37]  ArtCrash Exonar: Hmmmm, online is better for creepy pervs hitting on people…. ha ha
[2011/02/08 15:37]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: lol… but cheating online only reflects chating in RL… really.. if you knew what happens behind “closed doors” sometimes
[2011/02/08 15:37]  Ivy Sunkiller: or getting hit by a creepy perv? Some people are into that 🙂
[2011/02/08 15:37]  ArtCrash Exonar: You don’t get any diseases from cybersex!~
[2011/02/08 15:38]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: that must be a fact!
[2011/02/08 15:38]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: lol
[2011/02/08 15:38]  ArtCrash Exonar: And no birth control needed!
[2011/02/08 15:38]  Ivy Sunkiller: besides, you can get a creepy perv IRL too, which can end with a rape pill, cyberspace is definitely safer
[2011/02/08 15:38]  Ivy Sunkiller: 🙂
[2011/02/08 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: One thing I see mentioned a lot, is that unattrative people can make themselves beautiful, and beautiful people can garner interest for aspects other than looks. So maybe flirting is better online.
[2011/02/08 15:39]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: now that is interesting Extropia.. you took up both sides of the “coin” there..
[2011/02/08 15:39]  ArtCrash Exonar: I’m wondering if mutual simultaneous fantasy production is better with cybering, because it is needed, not just an option….
[2011/02/08 15:39]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: and I think that it might be like that actually
[2011/02/08 15:39]  Extropia DaSilva: Most of the studies I see talk about flirting in text. Do you think the visual aspets of Sl, avatars and all that, adds something extra?
[2011/02/08 15:40]  anouk Valeska: on line you can see the inner person before judging based on the outside
[2011/02/08 15:40]  Ivy Sunkiller: I find it that some people are unable to make their avatars, to use a bold term, state of the art pretty
[2011/02/08 15:40]  Lem Skall: flirting is better online because there is less threat, but the threat is less because romance is not as deep online, otherwise the fear of going too far would also make it as threatening
[2011/02/08 15:40]  Ivy Sunkiller: so being pretty in cyberspace does show some wit
[2011/02/08 15:41]  ArtCrash Exonar: I don’t think we can say that romance isn’t as deep online. I have observed MANY people who are fully romantically involved in SL. I me all the way involved to the toes.
[2011/02/08 15:42]  Lem Skall: anyway, I think that any act of intimacy that can be done online can also be done irl but not the other way around
[2011/02/08 15:42]  Ivy Sunkiller: /me smiles and pats toy “at least some are getting involved”
[2011/02/08 15:42]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: yea.. me 2 Art.. and back in the old orindary text-based-only chats
[2011/02/08 15:42]  Aeni Silvercloud: /me smiles back at Ivy, “Yup, some definitely are” 😉
[2011/02/08 15:42]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: which goes back to my original point: as soon as secks in cyberspace gets better
[2011/02/08 15:42]  Lem Skall: for SOME people it may be easier to get involved online but that is only because they have problems irl
[2011/02/08 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: If you take a kiss, a cuddle, a loving touch, to be forms of communication, I do believe that a cuddle/kiss etc between avatars can communicate the emotional side of such things. The physical…well obviously that is missing unless you have a REALLY vivid imagination and your partner is great at sparking it. Which can happen.
[2011/02/08 15:43]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: I actually have harder to get romantically involved in SL than in RL… much harder
[2011/02/08 15:43]  Lem Skall: Ivy, my point is that sex online can only imitate sex irl and an imitation is never better
[2011/02/08 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh interesting. Why is that, Divine?
[2011/02/08 15:43]  Ivy Sunkiller: @Extie: toy can produce 3 a4 pages of orgasm descriptions, so yes :p
[2011/02/08 15:43]  Aeni Silvercloud: if both parts emote really well it can become really powerful emotionally
[2011/02/08 15:44]  ArtCrash Exonar: Aren’t there starting to be ‘devices’ that are triggered by online partners? I mean isn’t that already starting to show up?
[2011/02/08 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes, that is true Art.
[2011/02/08 15:44]  Lem Skall: there are?
[2011/02/08 15:44]  Ivy Sunkiller: there are
[2011/02/08 15:44]  Lem Skall: where?
[2011/02/08 15:44]  Ivy Sunkiller: Khanni wants them all
[2011/02/08 15:44]  ArtCrash Exonar: I’ll be the google will tell ya, Lem!
[2011/02/08 15:45]  Aeni Silvercloud: *cough* 😉
[2011/02/08 15:45]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah like vibrators that can be teleoperated, That kind of thing.
[2011/02/08 15:45]  ArtCrash Exonar: bet
[2011/02/08 15:45]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: I have pondered that for so long, Extropia… the closest thought is that .. well.. first I am often Phoebe even if I am male in RL… but I do have a male av too.. but the thing is this.. SL SOMETIMES gets TOO intense for me… and dealing with feelings then gets VERY complex
[2011/02/08 15:45]  Lem Skall: pfft
[2011/02/08 15:45]  Lem Skall: Divine, what prevents you from getting as intense irl?
[2011/02/08 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: It is not polite to Pfft at people, Lem.
[2011/02/08 15:46]  ArtCrash Exonar: We all know that ‘feel suits’ are being developed as well at the moment. Things you put on your whole body….
[2011/02/08 15:46]  Lem Skall: Extie, pffft
[2011/02/08 15:46]  Extropia DaSilva: *Giggles!*
[2011/02/08 15:47]  ArtCrash Exonar: I’m betting nannotech might have it’s first killer app with a ‘feeling’ suit…. heh
[2011/02/08 15:47]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: paradoxal answer , Lem.. SL appears to be “translated” emotionally (I think) as everythign actually WOULD happen in RL! so.. in a way SL is MORE real than reality … at least when it comes to SOME emotions… this is very confusing when I talk about it but its close enough to the truth I think
[2011/02/08 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: Now that is interesting. In my experience, it is the people who find Sl the opposite of intense, who do not get romantically involved with anyone.
[2011/02/08 15:48]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think if you have been regularly in SL for a long time, you can’t help but experience all kinds of emotions, that is unless you do the solitary only thing…..
[2011/02/08 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: Actually…apart from Ivy and Toy who quite clearly do have a realtionship…say ‘aye’ alll those who have lovers in SL.
[2011/02/08 15:48]  Extropia DaSilva: aye
[2011/02/08 15:48]  Ivy Sunkiller: thank you for pointing that out Extie 🙂
[2011/02/08 15:48]  Lem Skall: Divine that still doesn’t answer my question, what does make YOU tick that way that YOU react that way?
[2011/02/08 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: just us 3 huh.
[2011/02/08 15:49]  Lem Skall: nay
[2011/02/08 15:49]  ArtCrash Exonar: My rl partner would not be pleased… ha ha
[2011/02/08 15:49]  Aebleskiver Thibedeau: yes indeedy do… aye
[2011/02/08 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: You had your chance, Lem. No use crying about it now!
[2011/02/08 15:49]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: Lem: because my brain cannot see the difference between a virtual reality and a real reality.. and of SOME reason the “simulated” reality gets ENHANCED actually.. of reasons quite beyond my curren knowldge
[2011/02/08 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh 4.
[2011/02/08 15:50]  Lem Skall: Extie, crying would be an emotion
[2011/02/08 15:50]  Ivy Sunkiller: 4 out of 9?
[2011/02/08 15:50]  Lem Skall: yay, we have majority
[2011/02/08 15:50]  Ivy Sunkiller: that’s not a bad statistic
[2011/02/08 15:51]  ArtCrash Exonar: I see no difference in quality between my rl friends and my internet friends. They both seem similar to me in the quality of interactions…
[2011/02/08 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: OK what about RL..whose primary is with romantically involved? (For those unfamiliar with ther terminology, Primary is the RL self)
[2011/02/08 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: nay
[2011/02/08 15:51]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: I’d tell you something about majorities, but trust me, that will derail to democracy and you don’t want to see me rant about democracy
[2011/02/08 15:51]  Lem Skall: nay again
[2011/02/08 15:51]  Aebleskiver Thibedeau: nay
[2011/02/08 15:51]  Ivy Sunkiller: nay
[2011/02/08 15:51]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: Extropia: could you rephrase that question.. didnt quite get it?
[2011/02/08 15:52]  Aeni Silvercloud: nay 😉
[2011/02/08 15:52]  Ivy Sunkiller: hello Luisa
[2011/02/08 15:52]  Lem Skall: I wouldn’t say that democracy is about majority
[2011/02/08 15:52]  ArtCrash Exonar: You mean in RL? aye
[2011/02/08 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: I am asking how many of us have lovers in RL
[2011/02/08 15:52]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: OH
[2011/02/08 15:52]  Lem Skall: does my hand count?
[2011/02/08 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: God
[2011/02/08 15:52]  ArtCrash Exonar: /me gasps in horror
[2011/02/08 15:52]  Ivy Sunkiller: if hands count then I’ve two
[2011/02/08 15:52]  ArtCrash Exonar: ha ha
[2011/02/08 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: Four if you count Aeni’s
[2011/02/08 15:53]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: well.. every now and then I have 🙂 though I am often single (I am complex in RL too lol)
[2011/02/08 15:53]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think hands count for everyone! regardless… ha haha
[2011/02/08 15:54]  Ivy Sunkiller: in other words, we are all just a bunch of pathetic no-lifers
[2011/02/08 15:54]  Ivy Sunkiller: /me grins
[2011/02/08 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok mathmaking…how useful is the online social network, when it comes to finding a mate?
[2011/02/08 15:54]  Ivy Sunkiller: I found toy via, um, “matchmaking system”
[2011/02/08 15:54]  Ivy Sunkiller: /me grins
[2011/02/08 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: OK that was a success.
[2011/02/08 15:55]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: Ive met quite some RL-partners from online-worlds actually
[2011/02/08 15:55]  Luisa Bourgoin: seemingly humanity tries to adapt social networks jsut for that purpose
[2011/02/08 15:55]  ArtCrash Exonar: The main crowd I hang around is about 1/3 rl involved and 2/3 rl single….
[2011/02/08 15:55]  Ivy Sunkiller: and hello Josiane
[2011/02/08 15:55]  Lem Skall: ok, back to the topic, is it possible that online romance will just be better for SOME people not for everyone? so it just opens one extra possibility for SOME people
[2011/02/08 15:55]  Josiane Llewellyn: hi everyone
[2011/02/08 15:55]  Extropia DaSilva: how many here would think to turn to their OSN if they were seeking a romance?
[2011/02/08 15:55]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: I belive that, Lem!
[2011/02/08 15:55]  ArtCrash Exonar: OSN?
[2011/02/08 15:55]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: OSN=?
[2011/02/08 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: Online Social Network
[2011/02/08 15:56]  Ivy Sunkiller: kind of “buttsecks is not for everybody” argument 🙂
[2011/02/08 15:56]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: lol
[2011/02/08 15:56]  ArtCrash Exonar: I would see online relationships as viable for sure.
[2011/02/08 15:56]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: hmmm… well… I nowadays prefer RL actually….
[2011/02/08 15:57]  Ivy Sunkiller: as Douglas R. would argue – you can’t breed from online romance, so it’s biologically broken! :X
[2011/02/08 15:57]  Lem Skall: could it change the nature of relationships? maybe make polygamy more mainstream for instance?
[2011/02/08 15:57]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: but that has to do with the … “effort” in the virtual world in my mind.. which drains quite some energy… so..
[2011/02/08 15:57]  ArtCrash Exonar: My friends who have gone to SL conventions have all raved about how much they loved meetin RL with their already friends.
[2011/02/08 15:57]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: I am polyamarous in RL actually ;P
[2011/02/08 15:57]  Luisa Bourgoin: I would classify online as non-physical relationships
[2011/02/08 15:58]  Luisa Bourgoin: which is kinda mild, if you watch the total scale of possibilities
[2011/02/08 15:58]  ArtCrash Exonar: Ivy: I have two different friends who married their SL lovers eventually….
[2011/02/08 15:58]  ArtCrash Exonar: Rl married
[2011/02/08 15:59]  Lem Skall: here’s a question, do you think that age difference is less important online or as important?
[2011/02/08 15:59]  Luisa Bourgoin: do we have to cover this toppic about relationships stability ?
[2011/02/08 15:59]  Extropia DaSilva: I heard a lovely story, actually, Art. This couple had fallen in love in SL. After a long while they decided to meet IRL. So she waits at the airport for him, but realises ‘oh I do not know what he looks like’. But when he got off the plane she just knew it was him. She said ‘it was not like meeting for the first time, but welcoming someone who had come back from a long trip’.
[2011/02/08 15:59]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: Lem: I think it is the same… might be a bit more free from “cultural pressure” online though
[2011/02/08 16:00]  ArtCrash Exonar: Lem, good question,. And I would answer that age is far less important in SL than in RL. Because we ‘can’t’ be age prejudiced….
[2011/02/08 16:00]  Luisa Bourgoin: a different start … you examine the inner values first. usually, it’s beginning on the outer hull
[2011/02/08 16:00]  Lem Skall: Divine, you see, that doesn’t make sense to me
[2011/02/08 16:00]  Ivy Sunkiller: Art: it’s always a strong drive. Unless your hot lesbian lover turns out to be bald russian hairy guy, while you weren’t exactly honest about your gender as well *grins*
[2011/02/08 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: I like to think that if you have an SL-based relationship, and the primary does turn out to match expactations, it must be wonderful.
[2011/02/08 16:00]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: (brb)……
[2011/02/08 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: On the other hand, if you find out the primary is definitely not what you expected….
[2011/02/08 16:01]  Lem Skall: so what does it matter what the rl person is like, even whether it is a woman or a man?
[2011/02/08 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: I have no idea who is 16 and who is 80 in a discussion like this, and I’m glad it doesn’t matter that much.
[2011/02/08 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: I think it matters if you intend the relationship to extend to meeting face-to-face.
[2011/02/08 16:01]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: it obviously does if you want to transfer the relationship to RL. Otherwise, I personally don’t care.
[2011/02/08 16:01]  Lem Skall: do you have the online relationship with the online persona or with the rl person behind it?
[2011/02/08 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: Could be either or both, Lem.
[2011/02/08 16:02]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: or with the RL person via the prism of the mask it’s wearing?
[2011/02/08 16:02]  Lem Skall: but why extend it if it is as good or better online?
[2011/02/08 16:02]  ArtCrash Exonar: Interesting point Extie, which brings up the Role Playing paradox. The more involved you are in your roleplay, the less you are able to have an authentic relationship.
[2011/02/08 16:03]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: I don’t think we are arguing it is better here, contrary, we ask when it will be 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:03]  Extropia DaSilva: But, the fact is, Love is a physical thing. It is chemicals affecting the brain. So if you are really in love, your primary has to feel it too.
[2011/02/08 16:03]  Luisa Bourgoin: this gender or age issue has run that hot inside discussions, just I doubt that anything really changed. people stay people, they will behave just like they always did before
[2011/02/08 16:03]  Lem Skall: ok, so WHEN it will be, do you think that age and actual RL person are not going to matter at all?
[2011/02/08 16:03]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: probably
[2011/02/08 16:03]  Lem Skall: and people won’t take it into rl anymore?
[2011/02/08 16:04]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: back on track…
[2011/02/08 16:04]  ArtCrash Exonar: Let’s note that those who do establish relationships in SL tend to start using voice and exchanging rl pictures and information usually.
[2011/02/08 16:04]  Lem Skall: yeah, yw
[2011/02/08 16:04]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: not all do take it to RL now, it’s just an option 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:04]  Lem Skall: I think it’s an option that most people take
[2011/02/08 16:05]  Ivy Sunkiller: most != all
[2011/02/08 16:05]  Lem Skall: or so I hear
[2011/02/08 16:05]  Ivy Sunkiller: again, you don’t want to hear me rant about majorities 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:05]  ArtCrash Exonar: A love relationship is based on trust and you must be honest to deserve that trust…..
[2011/02/08 16:05]  Luisa Bourgoin: extie made a point …. “It is chemicals affecting the brain”. Just 5 years of VR can’t really change this human race
[2011/02/08 16:06]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: Ivy: yea.. Ive seen many for who example have a solid partner in RL and one in SL… I dont know how that works with time but.. have seen it on many oaccccations.. and not directly “cheating”.. pure romance OR mutual consent between every1
[2011/02/08 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: Well I would have issues with my primary seeing my lovers. That would constitute my lovers cheating on me!
[2011/02/08 16:06]  ArtCrash Exonar: I feel very safe in admitting that I love my friends in sl. Just as I do my rl firends. THe emotions are the same.
[2011/02/08 16:06]  Luisa Bourgoin: about majorities, are there any numbers from surveys?
[2011/02/08 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: I agree Art.
[2011/02/08 16:07]  Ivy Sunkiller: Precisely Art
[2011/02/08 16:08]  Luisa Bourgoin: this love will find reasonable forms of expressions
[2011/02/08 16:08]  Ivy Sunkiller: when talking about brain chemistry, well, your partner doesn’t inject you with anything (no double meaning intended), you produce them. I believe my brain is quite nicely stimulated by them :).
[2011/02/08 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: OK let us move to divorce, relationship breakup…what infliuence does online romance play in ruining RL marriages/ relationships?
[2011/02/08 16:08]  Luisa Bourgoin: only if you allow them
[2011/02/08 16:08]  ArtCrash Exonar: Divine: I have seen that a lot too, and I don’t know how that works, unless the RL relationship isn’t that great, OR they are into swapping type of things…..
[2011/02/08 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: Is the excuse ‘hey it is only SL’ any excuse at all?
[2011/02/08 16:09]  Ivy Sunkiller: Extie: I don’t believe it is, and I think Lem can agree on that point 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:09]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: LOL, Extropia.. that was the reaason I came so SL… read an article “SL-relationship ruined RL-marriage”… thought “have to check this place out”
[2011/02/08 16:09]  Lem Skall: I don’t think I’ve heard of divorces caused by sl relationships unless the sl relationship followed into rl
[2011/02/08 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: It was a story about a funeral in Sl that tempted me to join.
[2011/02/08 16:10]  Ivy Sunkiller: you might be in a more loose relationship IRL though, and agree with your partner about it
[2011/02/08 16:10]  ArtCrash Exonar: I was once introduced to a couple who were married RL and both in SL as friends with different SL marriage partners. I’m still trying to get my head around that one.
[2011/02/08 16:10]  Lem Skall: oh, kinky
[2011/02/08 16:10]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: I think that it rather ends with breaking the SL relationship, divorce might be too much but arguments surely would follow
[2011/02/08 16:10]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: I know one girl with that sort of hypercomplex relations too, Art
[2011/02/08 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: BUt even of the relationship stays in SL, fact is both of you still have to be at the computer, rather than with RL family. So does that mean an online relationship is always a problem?
[2011/02/08 16:11]  Ivy Sunkiller: people do switch partners in meatworld too, so
[2011/02/08 16:11]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: Ivy: INDEED they do… I was almost gonna say “as bunnies” lol
[2011/02/08 16:11]  Extropia DaSilva: hello Luisa
[2011/02/08 16:12]  ArtCrash Exonar: I have a female SL friend who is always afraid to talk to guys in SL, because her husband might get jealous. That is too far the other way I think.
[2011/02/08 16:12]  Luisa Bourgoin: hi Extie! Long time no see 😛
[2011/02/08 16:12]  Lem Skall: Art, does she speak to men irl
[2011/02/08 16:12]  Lem Skall: ?
[2011/02/08 16:12]  Extropia DaSilva: Does she also avoid the girls, on account of the stereotype that all the girls are actually guys?
[2011/02/08 16:13]  Ivy Sunkiller: I know a girl that has a husband IRL *and* a wife IRL *and* takes on SL activites
[2011/02/08 16:13]  Lem Skall: what sl activities?
[2011/02/08 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: I wonder if it works the other way around? Come on Lem and Ari, tell us about your female operators;)
[2011/02/08 16:13]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: Ivy: same here lol
[2011/02/08 16:13]  Luisa Bourgoin: mind twisting! if one avoids the girls, because they are guys, so only talking to the guys, what does one avoid there, hmm?
[2011/02/08 16:13]  ArtCrash Exonar: I have a RL male friend who was forced to quit SL by his RL girlfriend. She sat over him while he deleted his avatar. So, it takes all kinds.
[2011/02/08 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: That is murder. What a horrid woman.
[2011/02/08 16:14]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: D/s
[2011/02/08 16:14]  ArtCrash Exonar: I thought it showed no respect.
[2011/02/08 16:14]  Lem Skall: sat over him? oh, kinky
[2011/02/08 16:14]  ArtCrash Exonar: ha ha Lem
[2011/02/08 16:15]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: lol Art.. yea.. once ..this guy.. you could hear his wife in the background “are you on SL again!? and with girls!?!?” then “click”
[2011/02/08 16:15]  Ivy Sunkiller: hahahaha
[2011/02/08 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh I wish I had been around to hear that. What fun!
[2011/02/08 16:15]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: indeed 😛
[2011/02/08 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: Wonder how many people have a relationship with their alt?
[2011/02/08 16:16]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: really relaxed and goofy guy but the wife seemed to be a total bitch so… guess thats why he went to SL!
[2011/02/08 16:16]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: lol Extropia! one can wonder!
[2011/02/08 16:16]  ArtCrash Exonar: I think It would be too much work to have a relationship with your alt. haha
[2011/02/08 16:16]  anouk Valeska: I know a few that are partnered with their alts
[2011/02/08 16:16]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: the ultimate ego-boost!
[2011/02/08 16:17]  Ivy Sunkiller: /me has no alts
[2011/02/08 16:17]  ArtCrash Exonar: Although I have ‘run’ 3 avatars at the same time before. It requires a lot of paying attention… heh
[2011/02/08 16:17]  Extropia DaSilva: I remember a story. This woman looses her husband in RL. But he had an avvie and she knew his account password, so SL hubby became her alt and she carried on the relationship in SL with ‘him’.
[2011/02/08 16:17]  Ivy Sunkiller: well, one might argue that Ivy is an alt of primary 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:17]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: wow, Art!
[2011/02/08 16:17]  anouk Valeska: twisted
[2011/02/08 16:18]  Extropia DaSilva: And we all know Ivy is the alt of Khannea;)
[2011/02/08 16:18]  Lem Skall: I did not know that
[2011/02/08 16:18]  ArtCrash Exonar: All you need Divine is 3 computers in the same room and a chair with wheels! haha
[2011/02/08 16:18]  Ivy Sunkiller: “oh yes hareder” alt+tab “gargle!” alt+tab “oh you are so sweet, thank you for the flowers!”
[2011/02/08 16:18]  Ivy Sunkiller: wb Luisa
[2011/02/08 16:18]  Lem Skall: Art, it should be easier with only one comp, just copy and paste
[2011/02/08 16:19]  Luisa Bourgoin: %&$&§??!! network!
[2011/02/08 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: I think it is fascinating. I have often talked about someone being roleplayed by someone else, and friends not knowing the switch as been made. I think, if anyone could do it, it would be a RL lifelong partner.
[2011/02/08 16:19]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: Extropia… there was a simliar incident some year ago that ended so bad that the Lindens actually had to show up in person and tell the involved (there were many) to stop arguing.. and bann some of them lol … darn.. I should have recorded all that
[2011/02/08 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: It also helps that I have a 20mbps connection… heh
[2011/02/08 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: REally?
[2011/02/08 16:19]  Lem Skall: show up in person? you mean irl?
[2011/02/08 16:19]  Extropia DaSilva: I bet they carried on in IM
[2011/02/08 16:20]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: indeed.. it was in Barcola if I dont remember wrong
[2011/02/08 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: I have run the avatar of another before.
[2011/02/08 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: Or was that someone else? haha
[2011/02/08 16:20]  Extropia DaSilva: Did you convince anyone, Art?
[2011/02/08 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: The identity issues this brings up are awesome to contemplate.
[2011/02/08 16:20]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: lol Art
[2011/02/08 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: No one knew the difference Extie…. sigh
[2011/02/08 16:21]  Zobeid Zuma: I once tried to get someone to run one of my avs, but they were too afraid of doing something out-of-character. RP paralysis.
[2011/02/08 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: See I knew it. I knew it could be done.
[2011/02/08 16:21]  Luisa Bourgoin: once an asshole, always 😛 <- that sort of no difference?
[2011/02/08 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Oo
[2011/02/08 16:21]  ArtCrash Exonar: ha ha ha Luisa
[2011/02/08 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: anyone feel like steering us back on topic for the last 9 minutes?
[2011/02/08 16:21]  Luisa Bourgoin: I assume on the nicer scale of human behaviors, the differences are far more defined
[2011/02/08 16:22]  Ivy Sunkiller: hi Gwyn!
[2011/02/08 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just an end-of-session-hi 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:22]  ArtCrash Exonar: I did it will the full knowledge of the avatar owner btw.
[2011/02/08 16:22]  ArtCrash Exonar: as a lark
[2011/02/08 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: Gwyn save me! We are off topic!
[2011/02/08 16:22]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: yea.. LOVE IS COMPLEX lol
[2011/02/08 16:22]  Lem Skall: Gwyn!
[2011/02/08 16:22]  Zobeid Zuma: Hi Gwyn!
[2011/02/08 16:22]  Luisa Bourgoin: we are dead-on
[2011/02/08 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: Wow she SITS ON A SOFA!!
[2011/02/08 16:22]  Luisa Bourgoin: err what has been toppic exactly?
[2011/02/08 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It was supposed to be about love in cyberspace? 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:23]  ArtCrash Exonar: Which brings up another topic: Who would you trust with your avatar’s SL password? That is the definition of a friend I think.
[2011/02/08 16:23]  Lem Skall: sitting on the sofa is so ooc so maybe it’s someone else rp-ing her
[2011/02/08 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: Gwyn we are talking about the importance of online social networks in all aspects of love. Includiong the possibility of love in cyberspace being better than anything.
[2011/02/08 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Lem 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:24]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: Art: since my password in here is classified in itself (the code).. the answer is “no one” LOL
[2011/02/08 16:24]  Lem Skall: uh oh, this is even more ooc
[2011/02/08 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me sits on Lem which is even more ooc
[2011/02/08 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2011/02/08 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Who knows, Lem, this might be “better than nothing” 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:25]  ArtCrash Exonar: shouts: It’s only cyber cuddling if you have anims!
[2011/02/08 16:25]  Ivy Sunkiller: I got a password to another person’s avatar once, I did not ask her for that to be specific, and I think she regreted that later
[2011/02/08 16:25]  Lem Skall: but is it better than anything?
[2011/02/08 16:25]  Luisa Bourgoin: /me hopes for getting invited to the marriage
[2011/02/08 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Of course! It’s better than a lot of things!
[2011/02/08 16:25]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: I’m quite sure it is
[2011/02/08 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: You’ll be on the list for sure, Luisa D
[2011/02/08 16:25]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: I still have my old boss computer-server password lol
[2011/02/08 16:26]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: how in the world did that get stuck in my faulty memory
[2011/02/08 16:26]  Lem Skall: already feels like a marriage, I have no saying anymore
[2011/02/08 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh it is definitely better than nothing. When people I care deeply about demonstrate that they have intimate feelings for me, I feel so happy and fulfilled. So yes, SL relationships are definitely doing better than just ‘better than nothing’ IMO.
[2011/02/08 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: but that is just me.
[2011/02/08 16:26]  Ivy Sunkiller: not just you Extie 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:26]  ArtCrash Exonar: You know I must admit that I get some sort of ‘feeling’ when my avatar is touching another avatar. I don’t explain it. I’m just reporting.
[2011/02/08 16:26]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: I agree, Extropia 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I find it sad if “love” becomes a matter of “trusting pawwsords”:…
[2011/02/08 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: A shy someone just IMed me to say he feels that way too.
[2011/02/08 16:27]  Ivy Sunkiller: haha Gwyn
[2011/02/08 16:27]  Lem Skall: what is an “intimate feeling”?
[2011/02/08 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, hear gear, Art. This is well-known by researchers
[2011/02/08 16:27]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: espcially if it is “12345”
[2011/02/08 16:27]  ArtCrash Exonar: Couples dancing feels like a more intimate thing than solo dancing in front of someone for example.
[2011/02/08 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: grr I can’t type while peeling a banana
[2011/02/08 16:28]  Lem Skall: for the record, I DIDN’T IM Extie
[2011/02/08 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmh? 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:28]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: I love my hug-HUD so I agree 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:28]  Lem Skall: Gwyn, kinky
[2011/02/08 16:28]  Luisa Bourgoin: 😀
[2011/02/08 16:28]  ArtCrash Exonar: For example I’m betting Lem kinda likes Gwyn sitting on him….. heh
[2011/02/08 16:28]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem finds surprisngly non-kinky things kinky
[2011/02/08 16:28]  Lem Skall: can you see where I hold my hands?
[2011/02/08 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: An intimate feeling is something very personal and precious and meaningful that you share with someone. It demonstrates that you have deep trust in this person.
[2011/02/08 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh… *I* love it, because the second person sitting on the chair will get anims working properly!
[2011/02/08 16:29]  Lem Skall: Extie, sorry, I don’t understand that
[2011/02/08 16:29]  Ivy Sunkiller: peeling banana can be in best sitaution erotic
[2011/02/08 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thanks, Ivy. I thought nobody would make a remark on that!
[2011/02/08 16:29]  Ivy Sunkiller: it would be kinky if that was latex you are peeling from that banana
[2011/02/08 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *nods* *nods*
[2011/02/08 16:29]  Ivy Sunkiller: 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:29]  ArtCrash Exonar: You have to explain to me in detail HOW I look for furniture that works correctly Gwyn….
[2011/02/08 16:30]  Lem Skall: seriously, I don’t think trust is an intimate feeling
[2011/02/08 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Art — don’t bother, just pick what you like 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:30]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok well an example would be my sister who always turns to me when she has things on her mind she needs to talk about. We are very close at times like that.
[2011/02/08 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s definitely intimacy and cumplicity
[2011/02/08 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I personally call that feeling what others call “everlasting love” 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:31]  Lem Skall: it is trust, not necessarily intimacy
[2011/02/08 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And for me, intimacy and cumplicity are far more important
[2011/02/08 16:31]  Lem Skall: cum-plicity? kinky again
[2011/02/08 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lem, lem 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *shakes head*
[2011/02/08 16:31]  ArtCrash Exonar: When someone in SL needs comfort and you give them positivity, that is intimacy I think.
[2011/02/08 16:31]  DivinePhoebe Luminos: lol… Lem put in words.. I was too innocent to do that
[2011/02/08 16:31]  ArtCrash Exonar: Or just listen to someone who needs to get things off their chest.
[2011/02/08 16:32]  Luisa Bourgoin: love knows different forms of expression
[2011/02/08 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I totally agree, Art
[2011/02/08 16:32]  Ivy Sunkiller: Lem: you’d have to see photos Khannea sends me to understand how trust can be intimate, though I guess your faith in human kind wouldn’t go out undamaged after seeing them
[2011/02/08 16:32]  Lem Skall: I have no faith to damage
[2011/02/08 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: If you listen with only having in mind helping them out, if it’s just in a very little way, just to make them a bit more happy, and expecting nothing in return… then that’s the right kind of feeling
[2011/02/08 16:32]  Extropia DaSilva: yeah but we are always cuddling. And I offer her emotional support and simulate physical stuff by typing ‘Extie softly kisses the top of your head in sympathy’ which probably sounds dumb but at the time you really feel a strong bond forming with her, and I bet she feels it with me.
[2011/02/08 16:33]  ArtCrash Exonar: ha ha Lem
[2011/02/08 16:33]  Luisa Bourgoin: it’S not the words, more about interaction
[2011/02/08 16:33]  Extropia DaSilva: As for my wife. Well that is sex sex sex sex conversation about transhumanism followed by more sex. She is great!
[2011/02/08 16:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie, i subscribe to the school of thought that intimacy requires small little signs that are exhibited recurrently 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:34]  Ivy Sunkiller: Extie: that sounds familiar
[2011/02/08 16:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Extie 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:34]  Lem Skall: why do you expect a valentine from ME then?
[2011/02/08 16:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Enjoy while you can 😉
[2011/02/08 16:34]  Lem Skall: sheesh
[2011/02/08 16:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hm 🙂
[2011/02/08 16:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Tires me out a bit. But she is just…lovely:))
[2011/02/08 16:34]  Lem Skall: how about a poem now?
[2011/02/08 16:35]  Extropia DaSilva: Anyway with that note…time is up!
[2011/02/08 16:35]  Ivy Sunkiller: Extie: judging by your last comments on facebook it seems she doesn’t tire you enough *grins*
[2011/02/08 16:35]  Extropia DaSilva: NEXT WEEK…I SEXBOT


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