Extropia DaSilva: Ok well shall we get started..and please remember that everything you say and do and think and feel is being monitored and studied and observed……So, Welcome to Thinkers!
[2010/09/07 15:34]  Extropia DaSilva: Google’s Eric Schmidt has said that people may need new identities when they reach adulthood, in order to escape murky cyberpasts. To what extent is this the fault of the individual, and to what extent is it the fault of servivces like those offered by Google and Facebook?
[2010/09/07 15:34]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: even what I *think*? Oh my….
[2010/09/07 15:34]  Windows Bhalti: …and being held against me
[2010/09/07 15:34]  Lem Skall: analyze this!
[2010/09/07 15:35]  Khannea Suntzu: Thank you so much for inviting me to thinkers. I am sure I will have much fun here. What shall we talk about today?
[2010/09/07 15:35]  Lem Skall: what about those of us who are already adults?
[2010/09/07 15:35]  Ivy Sunkiller: /me puts on tin foil hat
[2010/09/07 15:35]  Shorahmin Femto: lol @ ivy
[2010/09/07 15:35]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Khannea 😀
[2010/09/07 15:35]  Khannea Suntzu: No, my species becomes legally adult at 500. I am still considered immature.
[2010/09/07 15:35]  Windows Bhalti: i, for one, will NEVER give up my inner child!!!
[2010/09/07 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Well my primary has me to keep online details private and psuedonymous.
[2010/09/07 15:36]  Lem Skall: Win, you will, when you die
[2010/09/07 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I believe that Eric is confusing “age” with “maturity” 😉
[2010/09/07 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: a common mistake.
[2010/09/07 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok well…is he right?
[2010/09/07 15:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: He thinks he is 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:36]  Lem Skall: who?
[2010/09/07 15:36]  Extropia DaSilva: Would we need this option?
[2010/09/07 15:36]  Khannea Suntzu: Death is just a persistent state of severe lag.
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: Eric Scmidt of google.
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d love to have the ability to change my identity at will lol
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Shorahmin Femto: it would be easier to have a scrub bot that erased us
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Zobeid Zuma: I can see a problem in politics at least. . . When you can google for any candidate’s past online rants and ravings.
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And ironically, i actually changed my name when I was 13 or so… well, added another name
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Ivy Sunkiller: hey there seren
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Shorahmin Femto: so we could start over
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Serendipity Seraph: hey darling. hi everyone
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Clint Pheocene: @zobeid how is that a problem?
[2010/09/07 15:37]  Extropia DaSilva: He said people will one day need to option to change their identity, so they can escape embarrassing moments stored on the Web. Think ‘Star Wars Kid’.
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Roxie Marten: run for office or become famous and any bf who has a snap of you in the tub is going to be rich
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Windows Bhalti: hi serendipity
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Zobeid Zuma: It’s a problem because it would become practically impossible for anybody actually interested and active in politics to run for public office. (Or is that a problem?)
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Extropia DaSilva: *Kiss* Hello sweetheart.
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Lem Skall: I think that people will adapt in other ways rather than changing their identity, maybe they will just become more tolerant
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Serendipity Seraph: I think the problem is not FB (or equiv) on us. The problem is that people are full of shit about what they think is actionable to hold against someone
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the assumption here is that most people regret what they did in their past. So, instead, we should vote for politicians who have no regrets 😉
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Clint Pheocene: i agree with lem
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Khannea Suntzu: It is an utterly meaningless, symbolic statement, but it does highlight a spectacular tidal wave of privacy problems ahead.
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Ivy Sunkiller: if it becomes impossible for *anybody* as in *everybody*, that shouldn’t be a problem at all
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seren, my thoughts exactly!!!!
[2010/09/07 15:38]  Khannea Suntzu: Hi serendipity 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Ivy Sunkiller: we will end with no political class, heaven!
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (and hi too!)
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Lem Skall: there have already been 2 US presidents who admitted smoking grass
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Serendipity Seraph: hey khannea!
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Even Heaven is highly political ;()
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Zobeid Zuma: Well, we’ll end up with the Robotrons in charge anyhow. :/
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Shorahmin Femto: that would mean they didn’t do anything… a strong endorsement
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: who *cares* about that, Lem? 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Serendipity Seraph: hey gwyn
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Roxie Marten: if you say it or do it. then own it. it’s called being an adult
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Serendipity Seraph: I wouldn’t want to hire anyone that didn’t have a bit of spice in their past personally
[2010/09/07 15:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Morals: a common fantasy that you’re allowed to tell others what to think
[2010/09/07 15:40]  Windows Bhalti: very true, Roxie
[2010/09/07 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Roxie, YES
[2010/09/07 15:40]  Lem Skall: Ser, what is a bit of spice and where does it get just weird?
[2010/09/07 15:40]  Ivy Sunkiller: I collect some coins, it’s CRAZY
[2010/09/07 15:40]  Serendipity Seraph: not my definition of morals. morals are about your own principles
[2010/09/07 15:40]  Khannea Suntzu: Morals – a common misconception that you are allowed root editing rights over other people’s behavioral proframming.
[2010/09/07 15:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Between picking someone who is not afraid to admit what they did in their past, and a moralist hypocrite who is hiding their nefarious past, I would certainly prefer the first!
[2010/09/07 15:40]  Roxie Marten: when I was 15 I was organizer of a student riot at my school and on the front page of the paper. by this logic I should be able to have that record altered
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Lem Skall: is having sex with my dog and putting pics on the web a little bit of spice?
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Lem Skall: no? then I’ll just stop doing it
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Windows Bhalti: there has never been a saint speak at a pulpit
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Shorahmin Femto: how old was the dog?
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Serendipity Seraph: my past may be shocking to some but seldom nefarious
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes but becoming an adult involves being able to let go of the past. Memories fade, which aids in this. But with Google intent on datamining all tghe info they can get their hands on, we could be entering an era where your past is stored forever on the Web, and accessible at any time by anyone.
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Khannea Suntzu: Depends on defenition. But I certain do sleep naked against my dog. Want pics?
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Ivy Sunkiller: yes, the dog’s age is definitely the most important aspect of the case
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, the point is, how is having sex with a dog and putting pics on the web a *reason* for NOT voting/hiring someone?
[2010/09/07 15:41]  Khannea Suntzu: 8
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Serendipity Seraph: well, there is such a thing as too much spice
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Serendipity Seraph: 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me also sleeps naked with her cat and does NOT offer to show pics.
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Tom Bukowski: /me takes a seat quietly and tries to figure out why we’re talking about sex with dogs lol
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Zobeid Zuma: Not sure you could get elected as dog catcher. . .
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Unless the cat consents. In writing.
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Roxie Marten: it’s the media looking for ratings that cares more about what you did in your youth
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (HI TOM!)
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: 😀
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Khannea Suntzu: I hope that is not that asshole tom from myspace
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: aha exactly, ROxie — and selling the story to closet Puritans
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Extropia DaSilva: It is not unknown for employers to turn down prospective clients because of a photo they found of them drunk or something.
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Roxie Marten: oh poo I was told you were going to have a slide show today 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Lem Skall: riiight, it is all “consensual”
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Serendipity Seraph: Dunno. I might think twice on that one. depends. do they have better judgment now about what they tell the world?
[2010/09/07 15:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Khannea — noooooo it’s “our” Tom :))
[2010/09/07 15:43]  Khannea Suntzu: Ok
[2010/09/07 15:43]  Extropia DaSilva: Hey Tom! How is that book coming along?
[2010/09/07 15:43]  Shorahmin Femto: let’s face it, the less privacy we have, the less titilating it all becomes, the less anyone cares
[2010/09/07 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie, that’s pure discrimination and nothing else. Do you hire people for their abilities to fullfill your role at the job, or because they post pictures?
[2010/09/07 15:43]  Khannea Suntzu: If I ever run into that guy. I’ll punch him in the face
[2010/09/07 15:43]  Lem Skall: another book?
[2010/09/07 15:43]  Serendipity Seraph: that would be a silly employer if the person was otherwise a good fit. but employers have the right to be stupid too
[2010/09/07 15:43]  Windows Bhalti: /me starting to look forward to the strange fish’s entrance between her legs
[2010/09/07 15:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well true, Seren. I forgot everybody’s right to be stupid, yes.
[2010/09/07 15:44]  Shorahmin Femto: ok, pics are next
[2010/09/07 15:44]  Serendipity Seraph: lol
[2010/09/07 15:44]  Lem Skall: Ser, but what kind of judgment does it show to POST that picture?
[2010/09/07 15:44]  Roxie Marten: I used to tell my customers at the isp “don’t post anything to the net, you don’t want to see on the front page of the national enquirer”
[2010/09/07 15:44]  Serendipity Seraph: not much. how long ago did they do it? were the drunk or on a dare?
[2010/09/07 15:44]  Extropia DaSilva: Maybe one day interviews will be unnecessary. They just feed all the cross-referenced data from your social networking sites etc and choose candidates that way.
[2010/09/07 15:45]  Shorahmin Femto: and did they inhale?
[2010/09/07 15:45]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: On human stupidity: (I love it 🙂 )
[2010/09/07 15:45]  Serendipity Seraph: yes. and that is fine by me.
[2010/09/07 15:45]  Lem Skall: ah, interesating, Extie
[2010/09/07 15:45]  Khannea Suntzu: Ah dont worry, in a few years, employers will select on employees with the coolest naked hottub nakey pics and in turn employees refuse to work for an emp,oyees that desnt post poics of himself in full “transylvanian transvestite” drag.
[2010/09/07 15:45]  Roxie Marten: I never understood social networking sites and net forums. why do people think I care about your personal life
[2010/09/07 15:45]  Khannea Suntzu: Supply and demand
[2010/09/07 15:45]  Serendipity Seraph: laughs.
[2010/09/07 15:46]  Serendipity Seraph: well if you don’t you won’t read the posts
[2010/09/07 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahhh Roxie. I wish more people would think more like you; we’d get more interesting conversations in SL and less people wasting time on Facebook!
[2010/09/07 15:46]  Roxie Marten: I don’t
[2010/09/07 15:46]  Khannea Suntzu: Branson did that, lingerie and all, running back and forth onhis planes. Very funny.
[2010/09/07 15:46]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Branson is cool!
[2010/09/07 15:46]  Serendipity Seraph: I don’t usually post much personal life stuff. more likely things I consider important or interesting or funny
[2010/09/07 15:46]  Roxie Marten: I dn’t care what your kids look like, where you live and if you have a boil on your ass
[2010/09/07 15:46]  Shorahmin Femto: look at the Miley Cyrus crotch shot. No one care after 24 hours. 50 years ago, the picture would have been hanging in every firehouse
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: I still have it.
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Shorahmin Femto: ok
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Serendipity Seraph: lol
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: we get de-sensitivised (sp?) by the excesses
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Extie
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Shorahmin Femto: are you a fire person?
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, but her primary might be 😉
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Lem Skall: Roxie, so you DID see my pics
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Roxie Marten: 20 years ago Miss American lost her crown becaus she posed naked before wining her crown. no googling . anyone remember her name. I don’t
[2010/09/07 15:47]  Extropia DaSilva: Next to the Athena photo of that female tennis player scratching her bum.
[2010/09/07 15:48]  Shorahmin Femto: so the threat is fading fast
[2010/09/07 15:48]  Roxie Marten: gong to shoot that bear the next time he comes around
[2010/09/07 15:48]  Khannea Suntzu: If ytou want you make money, offer a service of disinformation. ARE YOU CONRAD E BLYE, born on august, sepotember, december, january and february, at least 20 dfferent dates, have at least 240 childrem live in 20 countries, are married to 50 different woman, 10 men, and 5 different animals of which one a penguin, are of 12 religious denominations, includingan ordained minister of Cthulhu?
[2010/09/07 15:48]  Serendipity Seraph: well Miss America is a priggish contest. so?
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Lem Skall: ok, why do people care that Tiger was unfaithful as long as he still plays well? but people do
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, people are all always interested in ba dthings happening to others, to forget about bad things happening to them. That’s why the media love to create “scandal stories”.
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: So are we talking safety in numbers? Google knows all about me but it also has information on a billion other people, so why should the spotlight focus on me?
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Khannea Suntzu: Disinformation, disinformation, disinformation.
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Shorahmin Femto: sort of yes
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Serendipity Seraph: I don’t care about what other sports Tiger is into at all
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now that is the biggest question for the 21st century, Lem. Why do people *still* want to enforce a way of behaviour *upon others*?
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Extropia DaSilva: Unless I do something really outstanding?
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Tom Bukowski: I missed the first few minutes of the convo – did people see William Gibson’s interesting piece on google in the New York Times on all this?
[2010/09/07 15:49]  Khannea Suntzu: I intend to create facebook five versions of my RW identity soon.
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: In a positive way I hope, Extie 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Serendipity Seraph: most people don’t have a life. they live for gossip
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: noooo I didn’t, Tom!
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: do you have a link? 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Tom Bukowski: Good! I’ll tell you
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: Nor I,
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Extropia DaSilva: I wish I had.
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Roxie Marten: I would be more worried about the average end luser. a friend of mine had a person from the irc show up on his door step because she didn’t like his politics
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me listens
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Lem Skall: Gwyn, the biggest thing that Tiger showed was that he LIED, we still care about THAT
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Zobeid Zuma: Errr. . . Is golf playing ability the value of a person? :/
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Roxie Marten: cops where called and much drama took place
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Tom Bukowski: There it is
[2010/09/07 15:50]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aha, ok, Lem
[2010/09/07 15:51]  Shorahmin Femto: IRC?
[2010/09/07 15:51]  Extropia DaSilva: On a personal note, I would say that Schmidt outlined the direction search engines are going in, and it is pretty consistant with how I said they would evolve in my 2008 lecture.
[2010/09/07 15:51]  Roxie Marten: opps showed my age. Internet Relay Chat.
[2010/09/07 15:51]  Tom Bukowski: Among the great Gibson quotes from that piece: “Google is made of us, a sort of coral reef of human minds and their products.”
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Khannea Suntzu: Oh you can even play with that. FAKE celebrity meltdowns. A fake George Michael being arrested. Turns out to be a squat woman in her 40s in drag king, paid as “paparazzi chaff”
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Windows Bhalti: cool quote
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Roxie Marten: great for finding everything that you don’t want
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: wow Tom — that article is fantastic
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: imagine, Gibson being profound… lol
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Windows Bhalti: ‘a coral reef of human minds’
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: great image!
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Serendipity Seraph: yes. or rather Google is out to index, sort, sample, make sense of and make accessible human knowledge/information
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Extropia DaSilva: That is because it can do syntax (what you typed) but not semantics (what you meant).
[2010/09/07 15:52]  Serendipity Seraph: that is a Good Thing ™
[2010/09/07 15:53]  Windows Bhalti: hahaha berendipity
[2010/09/07 15:53]  Extropia DaSilva: Hello Ste.
[2010/09/07 15:53]  Windows Bhalti: welcome ste
[2010/09/07 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, let’s forbid Google, on the grounds that it knows too much.
[2010/09/07 15:54]  Serendipity Seraph: what of the relative inability to simply disappear from one scene and start over if you really really blow it?
[2010/09/07 15:54]  Khannea Suntzu: Uh oh then I am in trouble
[2010/09/07 15:54]  Ste Sullivan: Hi all
[2010/09/07 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Do you work for Google, Khannea? hehe
[2010/09/07 15:54]  Roxie Marten: google of borg. you will be assimlated ?
[2010/09/07 15:54]  Extropia DaSilva: But you see, the more google knows about you, the better able it is to find info that is relevant and informative, and also it gets better at delivering targetted advertising.
[2010/09/07 15:54]  Serendipity Seraph: that would be very counter our values, gwyn
[2010/09/07 15:54]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm. Interesting. If Google drops a whole lot of pages at someone’s request, is it rewriting history?
[2010/09/07 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me thinks 1984
[2010/09/07 15:55]  Khannea Suntzu: No but I know too much *imitates keanu reeves* ‘I knew – too much!’
[2010/09/07 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh
[2010/09/07 15:55]  Serendipity Seraph: Johnny Mnemonic
[2010/09/07 15:55]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that someone could write a sequel to ‘1984’ based on Google as the *real* Big Brother
[2010/09/07 15:55]  Roxie Marten: how much info does google need to collect before it becomes self aware 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:56]  Extropia DaSilva: I wanted to do that.
[2010/09/07 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Go for it, Extie 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:56]  Serendipity Seraph: I think they are working on it.
[2010/09/07 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It has already too much information, Roxie!
[2010/09/07 15:56]  Serendipity Seraph: seriously
[2010/09/07 15:56]  Zobeid Zuma: I always ask what “self aware” means. I’ve never heard a definition that sounded rational to me.
[2010/09/07 15:56]  Khannea Suntzu: Ahh come on this is already a lost battle
[2010/09/07 15:56]  Khannea Suntzu: Get over it
[2010/09/07 15:56]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well — it does collect information from two billion people… every day
[2010/09/07 15:57]  Serendipity Seraph: not self aware but able to extract concepts out of and reason on all that content. AGI
[2010/09/07 15:57]  Extropia DaSilva: But does it? Or does the power of Google lie more in the billions of people who upload info to the web and click on this hyperlink rather than that and so on?
[2010/09/07 15:57]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh… actually… Microsoft’s Bing is doing that 😉
[2010/09/07 15:57]  Roxie Marten: I had an google OMG moment the other day. I was doing some geneology work and found it had digitized the books in our local library
[2010/09/07 15:57]  Shorahmin Femto: It’s the ultimate privacy totally unprovable to anyone around you
[2010/09/07 15:57]  Serendipity Seraph: network effect.
[2010/09/07 15:57]  Ste Sullivan: SOmeone just needs to plant a powerful EMP bomb in Google’s data store. Problem solved.
[2010/09/07 15:57]  Serendipity Seraph: google indexes and magnifies the effect
[2010/09/07 15:58]  Extropia DaSilva: Oo Behave everyone, the sim’s owner is here;)
[2010/09/07 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Extie — it analyses patterns, cross-references them, and presents us an interface to it. That’s pretty much, uh, “human” in the way it processes raw data into information 🙂
[2010/09/07 15:58]  Serendipity Seraph: there is no problem to solve and the world will remember you sadi that, Ste
[2010/09/07 15:58]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ste: they have several, across the world 😉
[2010/09/07 15:58]  Roxie Marten: I was rather surprised to google myself and foudn it connected me to my ex and we havn’t been married for 15 years
[2010/09/07 15:58]  Shorahmin Femto: I think their data is replicated, duplicated, and distributed
[2010/09/07 15:58]  Ste Sullivan: Let me just google their locations 😉
[2010/09/07 15:59]  Serendipity Seraph: they keep their own caches and do distribute the information across servers. essential for that scale
[2010/09/07 15:59]  Khannea Suntzu: The only thing you can do is realize that indexing information will eventually be so fine and granular that will cover what you had for breakfast, by snooping from the tags on your cereal box. This is a lost case. All data will be known. I like 10-20 years all urban landscapes in the modern nations with be near constrantly camera indexed by carried devices. And you think you can hide? No way.
[2010/09/07 15:59]  Windows Bhalti: feel a tickle, artCrash?
[2010/09/07 15:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Quite so, Shorah. Last time I asked, Google had 450,000 servers, all of them storing the 6 *billion* most viewed pages (most of it in memory)
[2010/09/07 15:59]  Lem Skall: any hard evidence yet of how all this information about us is going to be used in the future? for now it looks to me like it’s only a lot of unconnected information and no one can tell for sure if that is going tochange
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Ste Sullivan: RFID is the next big thing that will make that happen, Khannea.
[2010/09/07 16:00]  ArtCrash Exonar: ha ha
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Ste Sullivan: That’s what I’m guessing anyway.
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: It has to become massively cheaper, Ste
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Serendipity Seraph: hard to get hard evidence on what happens in future. 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Extropia DaSilva: I am curious to see the extent to which the Cloud will allow us to offload aspects of our cognition. I would not bother to memorise much at all if I had an APP that could remember details for me, fetching them from the Web.
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Roxie Marten: rfid?
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: good point Seren 😀
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Ivy Sunkiller: phoenix fail :p
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Roxie Marten: down load your brain to google?
[2010/09/07 16:00]  Khannea Suntzu: And RFID is like the first simple brute force approach to product based data gathering, that will end with everything covered in smart communication nano dust.
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Serendipity Seraph: it will change. we are getting very good at depth data mining and finding connections and drawing likely inferences in an automated fashion
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Ste Sullivan: Radio Frequency Identification.
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Windows Bhalti: i’m actually starting to squirm when the fishy green teddy comes thru the couch
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Ste Sullivan: Little metal tags on products you buy.
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Roxie Marten: time to throw some sabots into the gear works?
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Windows Bhalti: oops
[2010/09/07 16:01]  ArtCrash Exonar: All we are is our memories.
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Extropia DaSilva: Schmidt says the next stage in Google is for it to do searches without you needing to ask. He gives the example of a person walking by a shop and Google tells her ‘remember, you need a pint of milk’.
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Serendipity Seraph: as long as we are as paranoid of terrorism and other “4 horsemen” as we are it cannot end well
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Windows Bhalti: sorry for being off topic
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And that won’t change soon, Seren. Rather, it gets worse.
[2010/09/07 16:01]  Tom Bukowski: There are some fascinating ideas being tossed around about nonintuitive (to me) ways Google could be used, like the way they use searches for “flu symptoms” to spot influenza outbreaks several days before clinics/hospitals start reporting an epidemic
[2010/09/07 16:02]  Serendipity Seraph: no, roxie. we need these abilities
[2010/09/07 16:02]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Extie, isn’t there a nice mobile application that already does that? I just read an article about that
[2010/09/07 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: I think they do that already, Tom.
[2010/09/07 16:02]  Roxie Marten: still creeps me out when I do a search for something and it will pop up a freindly little window that ways ” 12 found near your home town”
[2010/09/07 16:02]  Clint Pheocene: forget rfid i cant wait for them to monitor every heart beat, every rise in body temp, etc for both crime prevention and healthcare
[2010/09/07 16:02]  Tom Bukowski: yes, I meant that they’d done it in a few cases…
[2010/09/07 16:02]  Extropia DaSilva: I expect there is, Gwyn yes.
[2010/09/07 16:02]  Serendipity Seraph: they want that buisness, extie? great, I know how to build a product they may buy for megabucks. 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:02]  Roxie Marten: cept I never told it where I live
[2010/09/07 16:03]  Ste Sullivan: Facial recognition is becoming better and digital cameras are becoming cheaper.
[2010/09/07 16:03]  Ste Sullivan: Look out for those Minority Report-style personalised ads.
[2010/09/07 16:03]  Khannea Suntzu: I predict that befotre the end of this century humans wont even be *allowed* to die in informational terms – property of the collective legacyu of mankind. You can let your consciosuness die but you will be obliged to be backed up by the same logic as valuable books must be backed up. Death would be too traumatic for other people and your death is simply unacceptable. So you can say, I dont want it, and I want to not be, but before long EVEN if you want it, some states wont even LET YOU GO in death. Total information consolidation.
[2010/09/07 16:03]  Serendipity Seraph: /me would be lost without google
[2010/09/07 16:03]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So at the end, Eric Schmidt was not thinking deep enough. Who cares if you change your identity? Google will find the relationship anyway.
[2010/09/07 16:03]  Roxie Marten: Khan: I think there is some truth to that
[2010/09/07 16:04]  Clint Pheocene: was eric really being serious when he said that?
[2010/09/07 16:04]  Roxie Marten: you can run but you can’t hide
[2010/09/07 16:04]  Extropia DaSilva: Well once Google can get the right info, the next stage is anticipating when you need it. So like, I am typing away and as soon as I think ‘oh what was that quote…’ the search engine has found it and reminded me already.
[2010/09/07 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, they paid for his article, Clint…. hehe
[2010/09/07 16:04]  Clint Pheocene: ah
[2010/09/07 16:04]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mind reading, Extie? 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Extropia DaSilva: If you like, yes.
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: we’re not there … yet
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Serendipity Seraph: remembrance engine on steroids. can’t wait.
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Tom Bukowski: It is interesting how Facebook with the whole “questions” thing is trying to take on Google with the idea that you could leverage your social networks to seek info rather than using a search engine–I would be surprised if that really worked but it’s an interesting idea…
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Zobeid Zuma: That “Power of Stupidity” article is great, by the way. 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Roxie Marten: wait until hard wiring comes along ala Deomon Seed
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (it is, Zo 🙂 I know, I love it, and love to quote it!)
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Khannea Suntzu: “I am emigrating to the asteroid belt, so these damn UN bastards will have at least the most outdated copy of my consciousness and I will feel at least ‘somewhat’ free!!’ (etc.)
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Serendipity Seraph: not mind reading so much as context awareness and model of your habits
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Lem Skall: let me say this, just because Schmidt is CEO of Google, that doesn’t make him an expert in what is going to happen in the future
[2010/09/07 16:05]  ArtCrash Exonar: What if you make up an inauthentic identity online, will that be preserved forever too?
[2010/09/07 16:05]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh, good point, Lem!
[2010/09/07 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Of course, Art! how will Google know?
[2010/09/07 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[2010/09/07 16:06]  Extropia DaSilva: No but I said the same thing. and I AM;)
[2010/09/07 16:06]  Roxie Marten: you havea smart phone hooked to the net. besides knowing all about you. they can track you
[2010/09/07 16:06]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: this reminds me of the best marketing ploy to fool Google that i ever saw… some advertising for a new diet…. should I tell you how they pulled it off?
[2010/09/07 16:07]  Serendipity Seraph: yes. imagine getting lists of people that have similar interest in some particular area you are interested in at the moment. From sexual proclivities to philosophical matches. The possibilities are endless.
[2010/09/07 16:07]  Khannea Suntzu: Make fake facebooks. Wrong birth dates. Married to implausible people. Slightly edited pics with tworly mustaches. No kids. Eight kids. Emigrates to Kurdistan. Etc etc.
[2010/09/07 16:07]  Ivy Sunkiller: can’t track me, my old cellphone is mostly disabled
[2010/09/07 16:07]  Ivy Sunkiller: then again, I’m not moving away from my home, so no need to track me 😛
[2010/09/07 16:07]  Extropia DaSilva: Yeah, years ago I gave the example of someone using Google to find out what is on at the cinema, and it uses GPS to figure out where your local cinema is.
[2010/09/07 16:07]  Lem Skall: oh, Ser, tell me more about that
[2010/09/07 16:07]  Roxie Marten: some day in the future it will be impossible to hide virutaly or in real space
[2010/09/07 16:07]  ArtCrash Exonar: The first thing the overarching googlebot will have about most people are their preferences for porn, since that is the most ubiquitous use of the internet….. ha ha ha
[2010/09/07 16:07]  Ste Sullivan: Gwyneth: Yes.
[2010/09/07 16:08]  Khannea Suntzu: I won’t even try. I am racing ahead into not ging a rats ass.
[2010/09/07 16:08]  Roxie Marten: why not, sex sells. I made a ton of money selling net accounts to porn heads
[2010/09/07 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: And it would know the times you usually attend, what films you saw and what you prefer to miss, and all that info would tailor the search results to suit you.
[2010/09/07 16:08]  Extropia DaSilva: Aw did we loose Gwyn?
[2010/09/07 16:08]  Clint Pheocene: remember when eric said ‘If You Have Something You Don’t Want Anyone To Know, Maybe You Shouldn’t Be Doing It’
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Zobeid Zuma: Yes we lost Gwyn.
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Roxie Marten: don’t worry google will find her
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Serendipity Seraph: imagine a database of interlocking questionnaires or otherwise gathered factoids. bayesian inference on which factoids likely imply what common positions by how much. more and more accurate the more data is gathered. You ask it for everyone in a hundred miles likely you in x,y,z.
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Ste Sullivan: Google must have got to her.
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: She lives!
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Serendipity Seraph: or maybe people should mind their own business
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Ste Sullivan: wb Gwyneth.
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: barely!
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Roxie Marten: that’s a hell of a idea
[2010/09/07 16:09]  Extropia DaSilva: We were about to run a Google search for you, Gwyn.
[2010/09/07 16:10]  ArtCrash Exonar: A year ago I spent a lot of time researching a certain category of books for presents for someone. Now everytime I go on Amazon it thinks I like that stuff, that I actually don’t…..
[2010/09/07 16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[2010/09/07 16:10]  Khannea Suntzu: Or, I ask myself, what do I have problems doing, but what don’t I care people knowing about – and maybe I should FORCE myself doing it to just keep up!
[2010/09/07 16:10]  Lem Skall: Art, but that will be useful next time you want to buy a book for that person
[2010/09/07 16:10]  Extropia DaSilva: Amazon thinks I have a total fetish for all things Kindle, because that is the only thing I have ordered.
[2010/09/07 16:10]  Serendipity Seraph: you have to order more different things to reset the likelihood calculations it uses
[2010/09/07 16:10]  Zobeid Zuma: I’ve caught Amazon doing stuff like that. Also, they used to offer different prices to various categories of customers. Not sure if they still do.
[2010/09/07 16:10]  Roxie Marten: in 1994 I worked for one of the first net providers in the country. we honestly believed a search engine was just a index of web pages. would of never guessed how encompassing it would become
[2010/09/07 16:11]  Clint Pheocene: what about rogue governments gaining access to google’s datat about their citizens?
[2010/09/07 16:11]  Roxie Marten: you mean like china
[2010/09/07 16:11]  Roxie Marten: /me winks
[2010/09/07 16:11]  Clint Pheocene: not exactly but sure
[2010/09/07 16:11]  Khannea Suntzu: Heard about that case of the guy who translated manga comics in sweden?
[2010/09/07 16:11]  Serendipity Seraph: yes. there is a need for encryption and some anonymity
[2010/09/07 16:11]  Roxie Marten: or our governments data mining alogritims
[2010/09/07 16:12]  Shorahmin Femto: China isn’t rogue. It’s actions are very predictable
[2010/09/07 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well… this is one almost-perfect marketing ploy I saw… some guys developed a new diet, which they sell (the book, that is) via the Internet. Their problem? How to address independent reviewers which might tell bad things about their diet. So they do something clever…. they pay about 1000-2000 bloggers to write an article with the title “is this diet [name] a scam?” and post it, and let it be searched with Google. All these 2000 articles are actually paid for. All have a link/ad to the original site.
[2010/09/07 16:12]  Serendipity Seraph: predictable rogues are unfortunately common
[2010/09/07 16:12]  Shorahmin Femto: they do what they think is to their benefit
[2010/09/07 16:12]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: When you actually search for that diet’s name and/or “is this diet a scam”, you cannot find a SINGLE article on Google that actually presents an INDEPENDENT review.
[2010/09/07 16:12]  Roxie Marten: so the learned what a schill is
[2010/09/07 16:12]  Serendipity Seraph: sorry, governments don’t have rights that trump the rights of people
[2010/09/07 16:12]  Roxie Marten: schilling is as old as time it’s self
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Ste Sullivan: That’s pretty good, Gwyn 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Shorahmin Femto: rights no, power yes
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yep, Ste — and very cheap too, compared to buying Google ads!
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Lem Skall: Gwyn, what do I find if I googel for “is that diet any good?”
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The same
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Lem Skall: google*
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Ste Sullivan: Google is quite easy to maniputlate. It didn’t take people long to make searches for “miserable failure” to point to George W Bush’s page.
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Serendipity Seraph: that you can’t find an ex says the information and indexing algorithms still need work. not that they are useless
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: e.g. paid-for reviews
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Serendipity Seraph: or bad
[2010/09/07 16:13]  Extropia DaSilva: Linkbombs, where masses of people work to influence Google’s search results. Example: For a while, if you put ‘miserable failure’ in a search engine, the top result was the official website of the Bush administration.
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Ste Sullivan: 😛
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Ivy Sunkiller: it’s not manipulation, it’s business 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Serendipity Seraph: google ads aren’t that expensive if you pick a niche
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Khannea Suntzu: He was arrested. Drawn manga comics. He translated them. Turned out the pics in the comics could be interpreted as ‘pedphyle’ from a swedish cultural context (but not from a japanese cultural context, as japanese bodies are different). Thi information wwas retrieved by radical femienists in sweden that downloaded torrents of the comics the guy had in his translation lists (and he hadnt even translated and read them yet) – but he did own them. Hence he has guility of breaking the law and received severe penalties. I have a link to the case.
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Tom Bukowski: I gotta run folks-I wish I could stay longer! But I’ll try to drop in again soon. I’ll just poof quietly. Be well all and hope I get to talk to you again soon!
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Ste Sullivan: Too slow, Extropia
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: So Google is, after all, not as good as Orwell’s Big Brother bureaucracy — it can be subverted 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Lem Skall: but Bush WAS a miserable failure
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Serendipity Seraph: they constantly shift algorithms to make it hard to game
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Tom Bukowski: /me waves warmly
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Lem Skall: cya Tom
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Extropia DaSilva: Bye!
[2010/09/07 16:14]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (take care, Tom!!!)
[2010/09/07 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: Your book is still on my primary’s reference shelf:)
[2010/09/07 16:15]  Lem Skall: you mean still there and never been read?
[2010/09/07 16:15]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lem 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:15]  Extropia DaSilva: I read it three times.
[2010/09/07 16:16]  Serendipity Seraph: ooh. which book?
[2010/09/07 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: Mostly I now read the version I abridged (it leaves out all the stuff I am less interested in).
[2010/09/07 16:16]  Ivy Sunkiller: @K: I believe we had law here in poland “modernized” to delegalize “drawn” (or otherwise rendered) child porn
[2010/09/07 16:16]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks, Khannea 😀
[2010/09/07 16:16]  Extropia DaSilva: ‘Coming Of Age in Second Life’
[2010/09/07 16:16]  Serendipity Seraph: ah.
[2010/09/07 16:17]  Windows Bhalti: delegalize child porn???!!!
[2010/09/07 16:17]  Serendipity Seraph: I would rather have a pedophile jerking off to child porn than grabbing kids.
[2010/09/07 16:17]  Ivy Sunkiller: the kind of child porn that doesn’t include actual children in the making porcess – victimless “crime”
[2010/09/07 16:17]  Serendipity Seraph: especially animated porn that involved no actual kids
[2010/09/07 16:18]  Khannea Suntzu: If it is drawn, illustrayted yes, I am in contact with a swede to make a comic, with drawn child porn, involving the arrest og the author, and the conviction, etc, by all the actors in the legal case, represented as infantile underage characters in sexual positions.
[2010/09/07 16:18]  Windows Bhalti: omg!
[2010/09/07 16:18]  Shorahmin Femto: I think they’ve shown that it isn’t much of an impediment, the tanks refill too quickly
[2010/09/07 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: quite interesting, Ivy …
[2010/09/07 16:18]  Windows Bhalti: both r sick, sic, sic
[2010/09/07 16:18]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol Khannea!
[2010/09/07 16:19]  Serendipity Seraph: of course our attitudes on the actual sexuality of kids, especially teens are medieval
[2010/09/07 16:19]  Lem Skall: what are sexual positions? down on the knees?
[2010/09/07 16:19]  ArtCrash Exonar: What about people who get off on fantasizing about cartoon characters? Should be quess the age of the cartoon characters before we prosecute them for child porn?
[2010/09/07 16:19]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: And Khannea, put it online, with a link next to it saying”download it if you’re a Swede — get three free meals every day from your government just by clicking on this link, guaranteed!”
[2010/09/07 16:19]  Ivy Sunkiller: Art: pretty much
[2010/09/07 16:20]  ArtCrash Exonar: How old is bugs bunny I wonder?
[2010/09/07 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: or Mickey Mouse?
[2010/09/07 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: or his … uhm, nephews?
[2010/09/07 16:20]  Ivy Sunkiller: I’m thinking what kind of an expert would have to be called to court to estimate age of imaginated characters
[2010/09/07 16:20]  Serendipity Seraph: so if you make the kids in your animated port actually ancient thanshumans that prefer kid bodies.. 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:20]  Khannea Suntzu: No, the idea is to send the cartoon by mail to all involved and THEN notify the police that the recipients have child poirnography in their possession.
[2010/09/07 16:20]  Shorahmin Femto: never saw either one do the nasty
[2010/09/07 16:20]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: aha yes, Khannea. Much more evil 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:20]  Khannea Suntzu: Several hundfred recipients. And they MUST respond. The guy is talking to pirate bay right now.
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oho!
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: 😀
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: heheheeh
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: But yes, that’s the way to go!
[2010/09/07 16:21]  ArtCrash Exonar: Hi Judge I’m an expert at determining the sexuality of cartoon characters with no genitals. Years of study this has taken me.
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Art!
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Khannea Suntzu: I make the general comic outline for them in november when i have time, and someone else finishes it.
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Extropia DaSilva: Divorce lawyer ‘mickey, you cannot divorce minny just because she has buck-teeth’. Mickey: ‘No no she is FUCKING Goofie!’.
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The judge would immediately arrest the expert…
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Serendipity Seraph: data havens are a good thing to have and create more of
[2010/09/07 16:21]  Ivy Sunkiller: yeah, I’ve been thinking in that sort of direction Art 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: we need more, Seren 😦
[2010/09/07 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: sadly, the closest one to me was shut down 😦
[2010/09/07 16:22]  Zobeid Zuma: ArtCrash, all you have to do is look for drawn eyelashes. That’s a dead giveaway!
[2010/09/07 16:22]  ArtCrash Exonar: aha!
[2010/09/07 16:22]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: … shut down in 2008
[2010/09/07 16:22]  Extropia DaSilva: Anyway thanks for brining up a topic that alllowd me to share my old mickey mouse joke…but what has all this got to do with the death of privacy and people being too careless with what they upload?
[2010/09/07 16:23]  Serendipity Seraph: bad fire control.
[2010/09/07 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “HavenCo resembled Neal Stephenson’s fictional data haven in the novel Cryptonomicon, and various details match up as well — a founder named Avi, location on an island, affiliation with cypherpunks, use of cryptography, etc.”
[2010/09/07 16:23]  ArtCrash Exonar: So is pretend sex with Daffy duck, sex with a mionor or sex with an animal? Or is it a double offense to have sex with a minor animal?
[2010/09/07 16:23]  Ivy Sunkiller: the relation was that google will know our sexual preferences as far as I follow
[2010/09/07 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL Art!
[2010/09/07 16:23]  Extropia DaSilva: Oh well so long as there some relevance..
[2010/09/07 16:23]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh yes, Ivy
[2010/09/07 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: there is some relevance 😀
[2010/09/07 16:24]  Serendipity Seraph: I think we need a major transhumanist data haven. Perhaps hid beneath a religion or something else to tangle up the legal attacks
[2010/09/07 16:24]  Khannea Suntzu: I saw porn this week of a japanese actress that acted extreme infantile, had an extremely underdeveloped body. She looked no older than 14. And then I googled her, and she turned out she was 26 at the time of making the movie.
[2010/09/07 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Alas. different culture
[2010/09/07 16:24]  Shorahmin Femto: do I hear “Culrure” coming up again
[2010/09/07 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: after all, Japanese families still take baths together 😉
[2010/09/07 16:24]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Shorah
[2010/09/07 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: The problem with all that is that the issue on what is an offense or not is in people’s minds; a subjective perception of reality
[2010/09/07 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: and doing laws on that is tough!
[2010/09/07 16:25]  Extropia DaSilva: So are we all done or does anyone want to add anything else? Preferably of relevance to the topic?
[2010/09/07 16:25]  Ivy Sunkiller: K: afaik childlike features are prefered in those parts of the world
[2010/09/07 16:25]  Serendipity Seraph: there shouldn’t be any such laws. laws should only be when there is initiation of force. nothing else
[2010/09/07 16:25]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: “data”, in the sense of “what we can Google”, is just data….
[2010/09/07 16:26]  Khannea Suntzu: I have an off topic question
[2010/09/07 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: goodie!
[2010/09/07 16:26]  Khannea Suntzu: for after the event
[2010/09/07 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: Ok..
[2010/09/07 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: aw
[2010/09/07 16:26]  ArtCrash Exonar: It wasn’t that long ago that I went to a countercultural sort of resort in the San Juan Islands near Seattle. There was a large swimming pool hot tub and sauna and everyone was nude there including entire families with children of all ages, Is this illegal? I hope not to think so.
[2010/09/07 16:26]  Extropia DaSilva: You can ask now if you like Khannea. I will let you:)
[2010/09/07 16:26]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good question, Art!
[2010/09/07 16:26]  Ivy Sunkiller: (( ))
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Shorahmin Femto: Have to leave, hope Windows gets her wish, next time all
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Serendipity Seraph: it was “northern California”. doesn’t count. 🙂
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Ste Sullivan: I found out that if you use Google Translate and set it to translate from Malay to French, if you type in “Lady Gaga” it comes back with “Britney Spears”
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: Bye!
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Ivy Sunkiller: byes Shorahmin
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Lem Skall: I have a question on topic: rather than changing their identity, what about the ability to legally delete all the online info about yourself?
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Extropia DaSilva: Really?
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Serendipity Seraph: rofl
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I think we’re close to shipping all underage kids to state institutions and let them be raised there aware of their parents… just like in Huxley’s novel… or Hitler’s Nazi Germany.
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Khannea Suntzu: My theory is that as soon as we get into societal consolidation and resulting sexual competition, you get this paranoid atmosphere of dads and husbands on the lookout for ‘members of enemy tribes’ come to take their fertile breeding mares.
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Khannea Suntzu: Its genetic.
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lem, yes, I compared that to ‘1984’ — rewriting history
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Ste Sullivan: Apparently Google Translate “learns” from all it’s own data on languages.
[2010/09/07 16:27]  Serendipity Seraph: interesting idea lem.
[2010/09/07 16:28]  Ste Sullivan: and sometimes makes silly mistakes based on references.
[2010/09/07 16:28]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ste, yes — it’s a statistical translator mostly
[2010/09/07 16:28]  Extropia DaSilva: Yes it taught itself to translate Arabic.
[2010/09/07 16:28]  Serendipity Seraph: do you own the data about you? which sorts of data about you do you have this ability over? what if people’s memories become more perfect and shareable. Are you going to delete inside their heads or extended brains?
[2010/09/07 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: /me *snickers*
[2010/09/07 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m thinking that Huxley and Orwell were optimists
[2010/09/07 16:29]  Lem Skall: ah right, what about all the info that others have posted about you?
[2010/09/07 16:29]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: This 21st century is going to be way more fascinating 😉
[2010/09/07 16:29]  Extropia DaSilva: It is an interesting example of how massive datasets change the game. Translation is fairly useless when you have millions, and tens of millions of examples of text to feed into it…but when you have BILLIONS of examples it starts making useful inferences and becomes effective.
[2010/09/07 16:29]  ArtCrash Exonar: I don’t think you can claim ownership of the data about you any more than you can claim ownership of the light rays that bounce off of you.
[2010/09/07 16:29]  Serendipity Seraph: yep. interesting times
[2010/09/07 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: A very tough question, Art. There are data protection laws almost everywhere but…
[2010/09/07 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: they usually apply to organisations keeping databases on people’s data
[2010/09/07 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: not on Google!
[2010/09/07 16:30]  Lem Skall: and it looks like we may even be able to remember these times, unlike the 70s
[2010/09/07 16:30]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: nor on social sites!
[2010/09/07 16:30]  Serendipity Seraph: or to people’s own memoirs or memories
[2010/09/07 16:30]  ArtCrash Exonar: Case in point: Credit report information. It is owned by private companies and sold to others.
[2010/09/07 16:30]  Serendipity Seraph: in their head or on disk. shared with the world or not.
[2010/09/07 16:31]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, good exmple, Art….
[2010/09/07 16:31]  Extropia DaSilva: two more minutes, people…
[2010/09/07 16:31]  Serendipity Seraph: and that is actually a good if rather broken service
[2010/09/07 16:31]  Serendipity Seraph: and you can dispute information in it
[2010/09/07 16:31]  Extropia DaSilva: …OK my time is up!
[2010/09/07 16:31]  Serendipity Seraph: or add explanations
[2010/09/07 16:32]  Lem Skall: poem!
[2010/09/07 16:32]  Extropia DaSilva: NEXT WEEK…THE EMERALD DEBACLE: It was once the darling of the third party viewers, but after an alleged denial of service attack, Emerald now looks likely to be banned from connecting to the SL grid. What lessons can we learn from the rise and fall of Emerald?
[2010/09/07 16:32]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: ha! outdated! it was banned today!
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